Prediction Changes: Round 2 Vs North Melbourne + pre-match discussion

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Banfield may look like a spud at first glance but he does have a sort of golden boot, could kick 2 or even 3 v the Roos.

Nah he's trash and his career relies on hacking the ball toward the sticks and hoping for the best since that # next to his Goal statline is the only thing keeping him on an AFL list. He knows it too that's why he brain-dead selfish when he has the ball.
 
Banfield starting leaves us with no professional sub'.
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Wow, one week in and all doom and gloom. Same thread last year, and the year before. Like it not, Banfield, even as a sub kicked 2 or more goals on 6 occasions of 18 games. This includes a 4 goal gam, perhaps match winning against the Lions. Treacy kicked 1 goal from 4 games last year. So I see the coaching staff picking Banfield over Treacy. He is just a better player at this point. Treacy's biggest cudos is he does not get outmarked. Would be good if he could actually catch the footy and kick a goal!

Saying that, I like Treacy, and want him to do well, but he is just not playing good football. 10 marks in 4 games last year.

Coaching. Yes, this is an issue. We keep long kicking to the forward line in hope. It was awful. We need to run the ball and either shoot or stab kick to a forward on the lead. I do not understand these 40m+ kicks to the pocket??? We were the most predictable team in the competition in round 1. Run it down the right wing. Kick to the right boundary pocket, then defend the counter attack. Horrendous!

Ethan Hughes. He was ok for mine. Courageous, positioned well. Played well. Is he a premiership player? Unlikely, is he capable and serviceable above others? I think so.

Finally, will we see a brave Freo this week. It feels like JLo has turned into ASimpson and loves the slow transition. It was disgusting how slowly we played. We need dynamic corridor footy, lose big or win, otherwise I will watch Red Bull dominate F1, which I would rather any team win but Red Bull.
 
I hope Banfield is coming in to play defensive forward on a big bodied defender they set up their attack through.
We did the right thing getting a KPF out. But leave Banners as the sub.

Sturt or an agile tall like Amiss or even the mercurial Keuk should of come in.
 
I hope Banfield is coming in to play defensive forward on a big bodied defender they set up their attack through.
I see Do you hope this because you think the thing that lost us the game last week was our poor defending?
Taylor I know you're not trolling for reactions, but sometimes.....
 
I see Do you hope this because you think the thing that lost us the game last week was our poor defending?
Taylor I know you're not trolling for reactions, but sometimes.....

I wished we had someone tag St Kildas gun half back and I can't remember his name right now, big mullet, tore us to bits.
 
Longmire, Goodwin, Lyon and the kid from Collingwood, whose beaten him twice. You can throw in master coach Stuey Dew. As I said, I fear Clarkson.
Didn’t we beat Melbourne, Geelong, bulldogs and Brisbane last year among others?

and every team but Geelong lost over a quarter of their games, you know that right?

also - Geelong lost to both saints and Hawthorn last year. Remind me how they went again?
 
Last half of last year. We struggled to beat bottom 8 sides like GWS, Hawthorn, Port, even made hard work of WC. The good sides outplayed us and the only decent team we could beat (WB) were the one with poor defensive traits.

The Melbourne win was the high point, but I think teams took more notice and went to work after that. Brisbane the next week almost beat us, but was a good win (needed Banfield to kick 4). After that we really struggled, and the St Kilda game was a continuation of those struggles.
sorry for bringing facts into it but we went 8.5 wins, 3.5 losses in the second half of the year.

and most weeks we were younger than our opponents, of course we’ll be a bit up and down and tire at the end of the year. i Expect you’d accept that from other teams, why not your own?
 
If we restrict the rebound we might be able to punish them on the turnover with more space inside fifty to hit a loose target
If we take a few marks inside 50 there won't be as much rebound, the umpire will carry the ball back to the centre and bounce it
 
Wow, one week in and all doom and gloom. Same thread last year, and the year before. Like it not, Banfield, even as a sub kicked 2 or more goals on 6 occasions of 18 games. This includes a 4 goal gam, perhaps match winning against the Lions. Treacy kicked 1 goal from 4 games last year. So I see the coaching staff picking Banfield over Treacy. He is just a better player at this point. Treacy's biggest cudos is he does not get outmarked. Would be good if he could actually catch the footy and kick a goal!

Saying that, I like Treacy, and want him to do well, but he is just not playing good football. 10 marks in 4 games last year.

Coaching. Yes, this is an issue. We keep long kicking to the forward line in hope. It was awful. We need to run the ball and either shoot or stab kick to a forward on the lead. I do not understand these 40m+ kicks to the pocket??? We were the most predictable team in the competition in round 1. Run it down the right wing. Kick to the right boundary pocket, then defend the counter attack. Horrendous!

Ethan Hughes. He was ok for mine. Courageous, positioned well. Played well. Is he a premiership player? Unlikely, is he capable and serviceable above others? I think so.

Finally, will we see a brave Freo this week. It feels like JLo has turned into ASimpson and loves the slow transition. It was disgusting how slowly we played. We need dynamic corridor footy, lose big or win, otherwise I will watch Red Bull dominate F1, which I would rather any team win but Red Bull.
Nah, don’t agree.
Smacks of a Ross Lyon move. Amiss should’ve been the next in. Fans would be optimistic and looking forward to Saturday. Instead we get this Banfield crap.
Amiss AND Treacy not playing, with Sturt emergency. Coaches need to stop rewarding pressure, work duds like Ross so happily did and play the tainted, high IQ players. Players like Banfield and Hughes shouldn’t be close to the emergencies, yet they’re B22.
 

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Nah, don’t agree.
Smacks of a Ross Lyon move. Amiss should’ve been the next in. Fans would be optimistic and looking forward to Saturday. Instead we get this Banfield crap.
Amiss AND Treacy not playing, with Sturt emergency. Coaches need to stop rewarding pressure, work duds like Ross so happily did and play the tainted, high IQ players. Players like Banfield and Hughes shouldn’t be close to the emergencies, yet they’re B22.
Sturt was dropped from Emergency :(
 
I still think the decision making went something like:
(1) We lacked run and kilometres in the forward line due to there being too many talls (which was an experiment compared to our normal setup). As a consequence we will drop the least experienced tall forward.
(2) We are bringing in a running forward so who to choose? Walters is unavailable. We will bring in the next most experienced forward which will give us the most kilometres in Banfield.

Remember that games' experience has been a strong selection criteria for us (and many other clubs) for the last ten years. You could argue that is what is dominating in this set.

The other key metric is kilometres run; I honestly think that had O'Driscoll been deemed fit then Henry could have lost his spot to him purely on the basis that Hughes and Aish ran more kilometres, and that O'Driscoll would clock up more.

I think in that frame of reference, the outcome was quite predictable. If it makes people feel better, I think you could argue that Banfield is a placeholder for Walters. Should Sturt have been that placeholder? I am sure he was closer than many think.
 
Looking on the bright side…Cox, Young, Clark, Jackson, Frederick, Darcy, Brayshaw, Serong, Henry, Chapman…still hella lots of exciting young talent in that team.

There's some spark there to light things up.
 
Ok.

1. We dint get 1 on 1s. Our slow game style has always allowed oppo defender's to flood our F50, been happening for years. So regardless if it's a Lynch, McKay, Hawkins etc wouldn't matter because they don't get the opportunity of a 1 on 1.

2. Less ruining..the bloke has, is and always will be a mid. Trying to force him into a stagnant power forward which is typically the deepest forward role is not only unnatural but setting him up to fail.

Tell me or show me any evidence that says nat fyfe should play a key forward role please.
He is a better midfielder than a forward ... but that wasn't the question.

If he is playing as a forward playing deep is a good position for him to play, given both his own attributes and those of the forwards around him.

The biggest knock on Fyfe as a forward is that he is so effing wasteful with the opportunities he creates. He gets the ball enough to have a real scoreboard impact but his kicking is too shoddy to make it worthwhile.

The biggest argument for Fyfe as a forward is that he does, at least, create those opportunities.

Lesser arguments for Fyfe forward is that it allows the midfield to transition to a new group "who will take the forward" in the next few years whilst also preserving Fyfe's own body, allowing himself to play for longer.

Personally I think there are plenty of times when Fyfe to the midfield is exactly the right call, and I don't think it does upset our midfield balance to use him as a midfielder.
 
He is a better midfielder than a forward ... but that wasn't the question.

If he is playing as a forward playing deep is a good position for him to play, given both his own attributes and those of the forwards around him.

The biggest knock on Fyfe as a forward is that he is so effing wasteful with the opportunities he creates. He gets the ball enough to have a real scoreboard impact but his kicking is too shoddy to make it worthwhile.

The biggest argument for Fyfe as a forward is that he does, at least, create those opportunities.

Lesser arguments for Fyfe forward is that it allows the midfield to transition to a new group "who will take the forward" in the next few years whilst also preserving Fyfe's own body, allowing himself to play for longer.

Personally I think there are plenty of times when Fyfe to the midfield is exactly the right call, and I don't think it does upset our midfield balance to use him as a midfielder.
with the emerging midfield and forward youth i would argue that Fyfe is not B22 anymore
 
with the emerging midfield and forward youth i would argue that Fyfe is not B22 anymore
He would have been bloody useful in the midfield in the SF against Collingwood.
I reckon that game showed that a contested ball champ like Fyfe is needed in our, relatively small, midfield.
If was a GF tomorrow you would stick him in the guts ahead of Brodie and JOM.
Last weekend he took 7 out of 11 marks that our tall forwards (Tabs, Jackson, Treacy, Fyfe) took. And the only inside 50 mark. On that score you would drop a couple of the other tall forwards before him.
He's not at 2019 form, let alone 2015. But that is OK, he's closer to the end than the beginning of his career.
He simply isn't going to dominate the forward line like a Carey. But he can play a role in our dysfunctional forward mix.
Overall he is definitely a B22 player. Every day of the week.
 
Did anyone from the club bring up quicker transition of the ball as an area we needed to look at? They just seem to be talking about more effort
No bc the coach is convinced we had enough quick ball movement. Apparently we had 22 entries form our back half which we didn't do once last year. He took that as meaning our ball movement is fine. Whereas in reality it was just so flipping slow that by the time we finally got in the saints had flooded our 50.
 
Talk about buzz kill. I’ve gone from being utterly pumped about our first home game to the point I’ll be relieved if we can get over North.

I just can’t comprehend in a team almost completely bereft of natural forwards & with Sonny building his fitness we can’t find a place for Sturt & or Amiss who are the 2 most likely after Sonny to create something out of nothing.

Fyfe is an enigma at this point. There is no one with his combination of power, smarts, marking ability. He should be capable of playing like Curnow did last night. He just needs to find his Mojo.

Jackson is a great big unknown. On paper & at training he’s capable of anything. Has turned it on on the biggest stage of all to the point of being a game changer in a GF but it feels like at this stage he’s just as likely to do nothing.

Just hoping to see some signs of improvement in creating opportunities for the forwards beyond kick & hope.
 
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