Unofficial Preview Changes V GWS Rd 2, '18 - Scharenberg and Callum Brown in, Cox and Smith out

[Unknown Identity]

Good post but my edits as follows

I want to see 18-22 games out of:

Stephenson
Brown
Sier
Murray


and 10-15 games from:

Scharenburg
Daicos
Crocker

and 5-10 games from:

Kirby
McLarty
Murphy
Wills

What have you got against Rupert!?

 

[loki04]

Surely Sidebottom plays forward this week?
Would love to see him line up in the forward 50.

Seems as though Blair and Mayne will come in for Cox and Smith after reading that article.

No Fasolo is strange.. definitely needed up forward.

Personally would also be happy to take Phillips out and bring in Brown. Really not a fan of Phillips.

Back 6 seems likely to stay as is but no reason why we can't shuffle around some of the other positions etc.

How did Mihochek go against the Giants in the JLT?

Predicted changes
OUTS: Cox, Smith, Phillips
INS: Mayne, Blair, Brown

At least Blair has a dead set crack and would bleed for the jumper - the same can't be said for Smith. Would much prefer Blair in the side if I had to pick between the two.

Mayne will offer more at ground level and forward pressure than Mason Cox will even if Mayne only had one leg.
The way the ball was taken out at will last week was ridiculous. I actually would like to see Mayne given another go this week.

Why not try Brown in the middle and put Treloar on a wing?
We can release WHE up forward as another target. Bloke is class and uses the ball pretty well, would be good spotting up targets coming into the 50.


Possible line up:

B - Langdon Dunn Howe
HB - Murray Moore Maynard
C - Crisp Pendlebury Treloar
HF - Thomas Reid WHE
F - Varcoe Mayne Sidebottom
R - Grundy Adams Brown
INT - Stephenson Aish Blair Crocker

Mihochek did quite well vs J.Cameron in JLT vs them, imo he comes in and Moore goes to fwdline.

 

[loki04]

What have you got against Rupert!?

Perennially injured?

Hasn't had a clean run of it since getting his AFL run a few years ago.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Mihochek did quite well vs J.Cameron in JLT vs them, imo he comes in and Moore goes to fwdline.

Don’t bring that logic in here. That’s disgusting. Who would play Moore in the forward line? It’s not like he’s spent his whole AFL career there....

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

What have you got against Rupert!?

Injury for starters.

I reckon Sier might be better, and (fingers crossed) finally fully fit.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Brown and sier in for a start.
Any one not in there plans for next year sorry no game.
Change my mind on this.

Dont agree with this defeatist attitude after just one round. Best 22 needs to be picked....with a youth preference when theres a line ball decision. But the youth has to show evidence of form and not just selected based on their birth certificate.

 

[loki04]

Don’t bring that logic in here. That’s disgusting. Who would play Moore in the forward line? It’s not like he’s spent his whole AFL career there....

I forgot Bucks is looking to our previous beast CHF in J.Blair and his crumbing genius, small, x-factor pacey pressure fwd C.Mayne to carry the team to victory.


I wonder how them ducks and drakes in preseason to make sure we didn't give anything away is going to play out!

Also seemed to really help our round 1 team not giving enough preseason game time to our better 22. Worked a treat, we looked on point.

 

[loki04]

Dont agree with this defeatist attitude after just one round. Best 22 needs to be picked....with a youth preference when theres a line ball decision. But the youth has to show evidence of form and not just selected based on their birth certificate.

It's not defeatists as much as putting a plan in place that has long term benefits/goals in mind, over a short sighted cut your nose off to spite your face approach.


And sometimes yup youth is played just because they are exactly that, a talented youth.

Stephenson hasn't exactly shown dominant form (in any series this year) and yet you aren't crying because he's in the side are you? (yet he's doing ok and long term will benefit from it)


Obviously there must be a balance but at least 3-4 more younger types should come in, Brown, Daicos, Schaz, Kirbz, MClarty, Seir, Murphy all should be getting priority games through this season (when available).

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Forfeit the game.. lose 4 points and some %. Seems like the best option.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Unlike others I thought Stephensen showed enough in JLT. He might not have played with a full list but he played and deserved the spot and deserves to keep it.

Sier is the one with form who should be playing. C Brown to a lesser extent. McLarty the other but he mysteriously missed the last few games.

Scharenburg on the other hand didnt show form so has to produce it in the VFL before getting a recall.

 

[loki04]

Forfeit the game.. lose 4 points and some %. Seems like the best option.

Play the youth let them play an exciting brand of attacking footy and have fun what ever results come from it so be it. Take the shackles off this robotic mess of a gameplan.

 

[loki04]

Unlike others I thought Stephensen showed enough in JLT.

Sier is the one with form who should be playing. C Brown to a lesser extent.

And yet you have argued previously that a 20-26 possession game from Daicos in the VFL was previously not good enough form? go figure... so the bar is set higher for some then others to get a game based off?

I bet if Stephenson was a rookie (rather then pick 6) you and Buckley wouldn't have him in the team off performances to date.


For clarification I am glad Stephenson is getting a game but find it hypocritical others don't want to give opportunity to our other youths at the same time.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Play the youth let them play an exciting brand of attacking footy and have fun what ever results come from it so be it. Take the shackles off this robotic mess of a gameplan.

If he doesn't do that and decides to play Blair and Mayne.. perhaps if someone knows someone who works as grounds people at the G.. get em to turn the sprinklers on.. so we can postpone the game.

 

[loki04]

If he doesn't do that and decides to play Blair and Mayne.. perhaps if someone knows someone who works as grounds people at the G.. get em to turn the sprinklers on.. so we can postpone the game.

They tried that with the lights up in Canberra in the JLT.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

And yet you have argued previously that a 20-26 possession game from Daicos in the VFL was previously not good enough form? go figure... so the bar is set higher for some then others to get a game based off?

I bet if Stephenson was a rookie (rather then pick 6) you and Buckley wouldn't have him in the team off performances to date.

Dont recall saying that about Daicos or the context. If you have memory of me saying that then maybe I need to get an AVO. Not sure his form is up to being selected this season.

Yes Stephensen certainly got picked partly because of what he has shown to get himself drafted at 6 in the first place. Nothing wrong with that in a players first year, not sure what your point is. I thought that he showed enough in the JLT to justify the selection (especially given the long list of unavailable players).

Really not sure what youre arguing about. We should pick best 22 every week, with a slant toward youth where the selection might be a 50/50. Its hardly controversial.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

This VFL form business.. seriously.. counts for shit really.

Best form is established in the seniors.. on the G. Vfl.. asame re.

 

[swoop42]

Don’t bring that logic in here. That’s disgusting. Who would play Moore in the forward line? It’s not like he’s spent his whole AFL career there....

Moore looked good in defence against the hawks, especially in the first quarter and after committing to playing him at CHB over the preseason I don't believe we will or indeed should abandon it after 1 game.

Given the quality tall forwards that GWS have Moore is likely to save us more goals than he'd kick up forward anyway.

Personally I'd go with McLarty forward, only in his second year I know but he has a solid enough frame already, has shown a bit of potential in the role during the preseason and plays the game in the right competitive manner.

For a game no one will give us much hope in anyway let's go with something more audacious than Mayne and Blair.

 

[mike123]

They tried that with the lights up in Canberra in the JLT.

Every night game at Canberra I've been to they always turn the half of the lights on later.

 

[Soups]

They’ll bring Sier in and play him on the HFF for the whole game, which will be completely pointless.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Buckley has got to be bold in this game.

He's got to throw Moore up front. Daicos Brown Fasolo 1 or all 3 in there. Take a punt on Mihocek or Mcclarty down back.

If he goes for spuds like Mayne and Blair.. and plays Moore down back.. the game is over..

So now is a good a time as any to throw caution to the wind and see what happens.

Last yr agst port he dropped Reid to reserves with Moore as the lone tall up front. I think we had either Fasolo or Elliot missing as well.. possibly both.. not sure on that one.. the game was lost before the ball was bounced.

If he just leaves Reid up front.. just give em the 4 points. Absolutely ridiculous to think he shouldn't be taken risks in this game.

 

[SideysBottom]

Good post but my edits as follows

I want to see 18-22 games out of:

Stephenson
Brown
Sier
Murray

I just want to see 1-2 (at most) from the highlighted players especially Sier. For a bloke who has been on our list for three years he is very underexposed being on the senior list, but from what I have seen he doesn't stand out when he should be playing more minutes and put into the midfield rotations in the JLT series.

On Brown, I am happy to wait to see how he finds his feet from his limited exposure to the highest level, he is tracking nicely but would likely need to step up his performance in the VFL to get selected.

 

[loki04]

Really not sure what youre arguing about. We should pick best 22 every week, with a slant toward youth where the selection might be a 50/50. Its hardly controversial.

You were arguing against a youth first policy. Which generally comes at the expense of experienced or senior bodied role players.


Nothing wrong with your last line in general but it really depends on where you see the list and your definition of form.

Which was my point re Daicos vs Stephenson, people were more then happy to not give him games early last year where his form was not worse then Stephensons this year.

Each year your focus will be different, when your team is on the rise then form should be the dictator, when it is flat-lined or trending down a more youth policy should be applied to expediate them to the 50 game mark, sometimes you will have to ignore form to give them consistency or a look in!


Certainly senior players often have form ignored in retaining their roles just because Buckley knows they will bring "effort".

 

[loki04]

Moore looked good in defence against the hawks, especially in the first quarter and after committing to playing him at CHB over the preseason I don't believe we will or indeed should abandon it after 1 game.

Given the quality tall forwards that GWS have Moore is likely to save us more goals than he'd kick up forward anyway.

Personally I'd go with McLarty forward, only in his second year I know but he has a solid enough frame already, has shown a bit of potential in the role during the preseason and plays the game in the right competitive manner.

For a game no one will give us much hope in anyway let's go with something more audacious than Mayne and Blair.

McLarty has been MIA for 2 weeks. Injured??
When you can't kick a winning score, it doesn't matter if your def is able to keep them under 85 points each week (like last year).
Moore was back vs Hawks and in good form, did not help one bit.
Immediate impact up forward, if you are scoring it's hard for the opposition to dictate terms and gives your team confidence in everything it does.

If we are going to lose I would rather us lose trying to "win the game" through attacking play and set up, rather then try "save the game" through defensive grind!

Who cares if he has had 2 months training as a def, he has had 2 years training as a forward!

 

[Rusty Beam]

Bloody Buckley just on SEN dribbling out cliches like usual.

Seems like all is lost in relation to actually bringing in youth.

In response to a caller asking for as much, his response was that the supporters need to have faith that the coaches have better visibility as to whether a player is ready or not.... And we have to trust them!!!

Sounds like Mayne is a certainty this week as he wants vfl form and attitude rewarded

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Issue is Buckley would prefer to try and win games with senior spuds than to give our kids exposure.

He's just far to focused on trying to win games to save his own ass, but in doing so digs a deeper hole for himself.

If he just played kids 2-3 years ago we would be far better off this year and the next and the next, and ultimately his career wouldn't be hanging by a thread.

We don't have a list capable of making finals.. but fans want to see Berg, Brown, Daicos, McLarty, Kirby, Stephenson..

There's no shame in saying we cant play finals..

Would be a breath of fresh air If he just put some faith in our youngsters and let them play without this dark cloud of his aspirations of finals and to save his coaching career.

What do you mean? He did play the kids over the last three years. On various occasions he dropped entrenched senior players. Made tough calls on all of Didak 2013, Macaffer, Toovey through 2014 and 2015, Goldsack and N Brown 2016, B Reid 2017 and dropped them all in favour of kids pushing them out. Similarly he hasn’t persisted overly with Mayne, Blair, Greenwood etc who you could say are on the cusp. Despite all the outcry about Buckley’s favourites it’s not like he plays Blair 22 games a year and he hasn’t for three years now. Blair ends up playing about 10-12 games a year because Blair sits at about player 26-30 on the list. As he goes from 26-30 to 30-35 I’d expect him to drop off and get minimal oppportunities much like Toovey and Macaffer did in their last years.

Bucks has never been afraid to blood kids. Just most of those kids have turned out to have crap attitudes (B Kennedy, M Williams), are flakey as all shit and can’t be relied on (P Seedsman) or just aren’t good enough (a multitude of players here but let’s say J Frost to start with).