Preview Changes v Saints Rd 6

[Th3 DoG FaTh3R]

Glad to see someone else viewing Hunter as a replacement for Jong.....can't believe how many are wanting the new kids to come in...makes no sense to me......IMO Hunter could be our stevie j....for those with long memories stevie was also a wayward kid with loads of potential...through some misadventure had to be given some tough love and he responded accordingly...see a lot of similarities with Hunter...even similar numbers in the draft.....clearly the club is putting together one of the most exciting lists going around....must be patient and let the young ones develop....

Hunter is a talented player no doubt and with the correct parameters he could become similar as you described. The question is not his talent, but his application, his focus and his ability to stay engaged with the game. By this I mean his ability to continually play as a part of the structures that Bev has established. When he finally returns to the team it is not his offensive weaponry that I will be looking at, as we know Hunter can exhibit this skilfully, it will be his ability to switch from an offensive to defensive mindset and take up his position in the defensive structure. Bev will not tolerate one player not being able to execute this as it weakens the integrity of the defensive zone and opposition coaches are savvy enough to recognise and issue instruction to exploit this leading up to and during a game.
Having said this, Wallis is the direct swap if available. There are no doubts on Wallis's team first play. Wallis will stay engaged, will participate in zones, will contribute to clearances.

 

[Th3 DoG FaTh3R]

Statistics aside, we are getting the ball into an open forward line to 1:1 contests much more frequently this year - thats whats important.

I would be really interested in the statistics on this actually as my instinct tells me that it would be a little lower than we might think. If anyone has a really good resource to advanced statistics I would be most interested. Footywire is good but lacks with things like this.

And when the opposition have already got back, we are being smarter about how we defend. Its seems obvious when you see it in action, but zone defending your F50 instead of manning up is a lot more efficient way of locking the ball in. Once we have set up the press, there should never be any opposition player in our F50 without a bulldogs opponent more than a few meters away, so that every single opposition disposal in our F50 will be pressured and hopefully any panic long kicks get picked off by our outliers.

Agreed.

And Im seeing a lot less of us doing fast break where the player with the ball 'offside'. You know last year someone would take the ball and make a break past the opposition press and there would be nobody between centre wing and our goal square. Whereas this year anyone looking like breaking past the opposition line will have 3 or 4 of our players running like maniacs back towards goal.

Personally, I reckon Grant, like Crammers and Jong and JJ, should be one of the kings of the fast break.

He is being used to his strengths by Bev - there is no point in him being too deep in our forward press because he is unsuited to crash and bash defending, but he is quick and tall and can take a grab, so being one of the outliers is fine. And going the other way, he should be ready to be one of those sprint-attacking in support of the fast break.

I think the 'offside' fast break you referred to came about from a very specific situation. Where by the attacking team had an ineffective zone setup, the defending team took possession of the ball and then with a fast switch of play to a player streaming down the fat side would complete the play.
The majority of our fast breaks come from two sources. Clearances and turnovers.
Clearances, specifically midfield clearances such as centre, wing throw ins or ball ups, because usually in this setup the numbers are more uniformly spread throughout the field. That is we would have say 4-6 players forward, 6-8 players back and the rest at the stoppage with the amount of opposition players in the similar space relative to ours. A fast break can occur from this situation because there is space to work into. The players are not confronted with a zone.
Fast breaks from turnovers will occur most frequently when the ball is turned over in our defensive half. Once again, space forward of the turnover is key. Without space the fast break chain is confronted by a wall of players and without a +1 support runner to evade the zone this will not be effective.
The key to the fast break is the ability to:
1) Recognise the opportunity
2) Switch from a defensive to offensive mindset
3) Run forward of the play to receive the attacking forward possession
4) Execute the chain of possession
Or RSRE : )

 

[BRG93]

IN: Josh Prudden (Calling it Now) Dale (Have heard is very very close to playing)
OUT: Lin Jong (Inj.), Ayce Cordy

B: Wood Roberts M.Boyd
HB: Murphy Talia Johannisen
C: Dickson Picken Macrae
HF: Dahlhaus Stringer Crameri
FF: Honeychurch T.Boyd Smith
F: Roughead Bontempelli Hrovat
I: Webb Prudden Stevens Dale (S)

 

[Wizard17]

IN: Josh Prudden (Calling it Now)

VitalDread would be ecstatic

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

aside from seniors form, what's keeping redpath out of the 1's? his in my supercoach side and had a good preseason and apart from round one has seemed to play well in the twos?

 

[Tibes]

aside from seniors form, what's keeping redpath out of the 1's? his in my supercoach side and had a good preseason and apart from round one has seemed to play well in the twos?

Our forward line is functioning much better with Boyd as our one main KPF, and then Stringer and Crameri as second and third talls than it was with either Jack in round 1 or Ayce Cordy in rounds 2 and 3 as a second tall. It's probably not quite as much Jack being kept out by a certain player as he's not currently fitting into our forward structure and his ability to provide forward pressure and ensure his man doesn't run off him that's keeping him out despite his VFL form.

 

[Mutt]

Our forward line is functioning much better with Boyd as our one main KPF, and then Stringer and Crameri as second and third talls than it was with either Jack in round 1 or Ayce Cordy in rounds 2 and 3 as a second tall. It's probably not quite as much Jack being kept out by a certain player as he's not currently fitting into our forward structure and his ability to provide forward pressure and ensure his man doesn't run off him that's keeping him out despite his VFL form.

Going in with only one traditional key forward is going to create selection and match-up headaches for some other sides - Port for example - will they play Trengove or Carlisle on Stringer (or Crameri)? Port have a great set-up defensively for sides that have two or more tall forwards but neither Carlisle nor Trengove have any chance of keeping up with any of our potential second forwards.

 

[Sentinel]

IN: Josh Prudden (Calling it Now)

At the risk of offending some, is Prudden actually deserving of a spot or is his name being pumped up here due to the love for him on this board? Genuine question, I haven't caught any of the VFL this year, but remember from the preseason he looked a fair bit off the pace early on..

 

[BRG93]

At the risk of offending some, is Prudden actually deserving of a spot or is his name being pumped up here due to the love for him on this board? Genuine question, I haven't caught any of the VFL this year, but remember from the preseason he looked a fair bit off the pace early on..

Not really offensive mate, I'm more putting him in as an Inside Mid Replacement for Jong.
Not sure on stats

 

[King Harold]

Not really offensive mate, I'm more putting him in as an Inside Mid Replacement for Jong.
Not sure on stats

Can't see it unless Vital has some dodgy photos of whole selection committee in the spa together

 

[Sentinel]

Not really offensive mate, I'm more putting him in as an Inside Mid Replacement for Jong.
Not sure on stats

Ok. I get the like for like comparisons by putting an in and under player in for Jong, but is he really deserving? Given we have Smith back now with a few games of VFL and AFL under his belt, I'd personally go with Cordy and Jong out for Minson/Campbell and Dale/Hunter, so we look like this, playing Smith in the guts and Picken on ball:

B: Wood Roughead M.Boyd
HB: Murphy Talia Johannisen
C: Dickson Smith Macrae
HF: Dahlhaus Stringer Crameri
FF: Honeychurch T.Boyd Hrovat
F: Minson/Campbell Bontempelli Picken
I: Webb Roberts Stevens Dale/Hunter(S)

I don't like the idea of Cordy coming out and leaving Roughead as first ruck, although this could risk us being a bit top heavy with Roberts on the bench.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Not really offensive mate, I'm more putting him in as an Inside Mid Replacement for Jong.
Not sure on stats

Not sure I understand. Jong is playing as an inside/outside mid, he has more uncontested possessions then contested. Prudden is a full on inside mid, wouldn't Hunter be more of a like for like replacement?

 

[Rockford18sx2]

Judging by that second video you wouldn't think Wallis would play, wasn't involved in the contact handballing drill instead just watching from the sideline. Might still be same pain there. Did Wallis compete in any contact drills??

Didn't see what else he did, but the whole training session was light. There was minimal contact in any of the activities by all players. Training sessions later in the week would be a better guide.

 

[BigSexc]

What are the chances of Wallis playing?

Also what role do you guys see for Stevens? Played well the last few weeks, more midfield time?

 

[VitalDread]

Can't see it unless Vital has some dodgy photos of whole selection committee in the spa together

lucky you ask

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Not really offensive mate, I'm more putting him in as an Inside Mid Replacement for Jong.
Not sure on stats

Might sound unusual, bu tyou may be right.
With Libba, Wallis and Jong all out, and Smith maybe finding a week or two to get his touch back in the VFL, we actually might be short of inside midfielders. Prudden could get a shot.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

In: Grant.
Out: Jong.

 

[fargy]

Staphy seems to think Hunters right in the mix.

 

[Fossie 32]

What are the chances of Wallis playing?

Also what role do you guys see for Stevens? Played well the last few weeks, more midfield time?

Think one of the scribes said Wally won't play

 

[fronkalicious]

Dudes gotta chill a bit re hunter. He was so so young for his draft age.

He's 4 months older than jack billings. He's played more games and has similar stats. He's still a baby. Super talent, and a good human being from all reports. Not everyone's ready to eat up professional football from day 1. He loves the club and has come a long way. I'm well and truly backing him in.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Wouldn't be surprised to see grant jump into jongs third man up role


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left field idea, why not just play Grant in the ruck? He'll lose every ruck contest, but should be able to do a few things around the ground. The coaches obviously don't care about the result of a ruck contest

 

[goodcop badcop]

left field idea, why not just play Grant in the ruck? He'll lose every ruck contest, but should be able to do a few things around the ground. The coaches obviously don't care about the result of a ruck contest

The ruckman will pick him up and snap him in half. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

The ruckman will pick him up and snap him in half. It ain't gonna happen.

Thought Pyke might do that to Cordy as well.
I know it'll never happen. Would be fascinating though

 

[Fossie 32]

Thought Pyke might do that to Cordy as well.
I know it'll never happen. Would be fascinating though

Been done playing Keiran McGuinness as first ruck

 

[GrahamSmith]

Don't really want to drop anyone but it's so different having so much depth and competition for spots, never would of thought that going into round 1 haha