Prediction Changes Vs St Kilda round 4, 2021

[The wily weagle]

Brander stays in.

He played his best game last night and deserves credit where credit is due. And believe me, it is well documented that I don't rate him that highly so that I want him left in the team is a credit to his efforts yesterday.

Did I see correctly, Jermaine looked like his was playing as a small defender yesterday? You can see his intent, but we didn't get a ton out of him. Still, he probably remains in the team another week

For me, I would be replacing Petch with Winder, XON for Schuey, putting Cole on notice and having Trew as our medical sub

 

[amazingjoshy]

Brander stays in.

He played his best game last night and deserves credit where credit is due. And believe me, it well documented that I don't rate him that highly so that I want him left in the team is a credit to his efforts yesterday.

Did I see correctly, Jermaine looked like his was playing as a small defender yesterday? You can see his intent, but we didn't get a ton out of him. Still, he probably remains in the team another week

For me, I would be replacing Petch with Winder, XON for Schuey, putting Cole on notice and having Trew as our medical sub

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I didn't see Jones as a defender at all, was just his usual small fwd role. Was quite fumbly for whatever reason last night (rain probably).

Only 4 touches and 3 tackles. 2 of his touches were inside 50s and one was a goal assist which also suggests he played his normal fwd role.

Deserves another week based on what he provided last week, but he was by far our worst last night.

 

[The wily weagle]

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I didn't see Jones as a defender at all, was just his usual small fwd role. Was quite fumbly for whatever reason last night (rain probably).

Only 4 touches and 3 tackles. 2 of his touches were inside 50s and one was a goal assist which also suggests he played his normal fwd role.

Deserves another week based on what he provided last week, but he was by far our worst last night.

Regarding Jones, the only reason I asked about his position is because when he did get the ball, it seemed to occur at half back.

Agree with you, give him another week in the side

 

[Godfather32]

Playing our 20 year old future superstar FF as a back up ruck is like plowing a field with a ferrari. Allen already has bad shoulders and Kennedy is not getting any younger. Brander unlucky to go out for Vardy but playing Vardy prolonges both Nic Nat and Allen.

I agree with the sentiment of not playing Allen in the ruck but at this point Vardy is just not up to playing at AFL level. If we need to bring someone else in to avoid playing Allen in the ruck I'd rather we went with Edwards until Williams is ready.
The only way Vardy plays AFL for us again should be if Nic Nat misses a game, and even then I'd be looking at other options first.

 

[eagles rule]

Out Shuey, Brander (unlucky)
In XON, Ah Chee

Expecting a win but the sh*t the Saints will cop this week will make them play to a standard the dogs did against us did last week, tough and close, a win is non negotiable if we're top 4 material this season.

Brander played his best game v a top class outfit in PA and ppl want him out , crazy when he had 21 disposals and kicked 1 goal 2 behinds playing midfield , his spread and run was huge ..

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I haven't been Brander's biggest fan to date (while praying like mad he makes it), but there's no way he gets dropped after yesterday's performance.

 

[CM9000]

For the love of God do not bring Vardy back in. WAFL is his level now. And Brander out after how well he played?? No.

We just comprehensively knocked off a premiership fancy not playing 2 rucks (1 who was a witches hat first 2 rnds).

I understand the temptation not to run Allen into the ground by rucking him excessively, but if we can use him in the ruck against Lycett and Ladhams then I think we can use him against whoever the Saints are running with. Today it was McKernan and Carlisle. They might recall Hunter, or there’s an outside chance Ryder might return from leave and be rushed into the side to face NicNat, but either way I think we can run with the same setup next week.

Stop. Vardy is useless. Oscar Allen is by far our second ruck. How many times does it need to be proven. He isn't just an OK ruck he is a useful second ruck.

Seriously what the fu** are bringing vardy in for. We are a man short with him in the team. Nic is 30 there is no protection. If he doesn't play now he's going to retire in 1-2 years. Throw all caution out. He's turning 31 this year. So it's really his last year

I certainly hope it is not Nic's last year! Seems to have a bit left.

But you are right about Vardy. Just no need for him and we are a better team without him in it.

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This is basically it.

I don't like playing Oscar in the ruck. But if we play Vardy we are a man down. Either one less on the bench or only 17 on the field. He's lost what he had. And even then it was a solid performance now and again.
Let's just put that one to bed. Had his best game when we needed it. But it was 3 years ago. And it's not going to happen again.


Williams is hopefully the NN replacement. Athletic, mobile, has a jump. Hard to see anyone as a 100% NN replacement, but if Williams is a 90%er and can stay fit and healthy and put in 80% game time I'll be more than happy.

So let's just put the Vardy thing in the memory jar. WAFL influence. Train the next generation. Be a nice guy at the BBQ. We'll always be grateful for that one moment in that one game.

But why do it against a team with an extremely weak ruck division? Especially when it involves dropping Brander after his best game of AFL to date? Hasn’t he been stuffed around enough?

This just won’t happen. It can’t happen.

I agree with the sentiment of not playing Allen in the ruck but at this point Vardy is just not up to playing at AFL level. If we need to bring someone else in to avoid playing Allen in the ruck I'd rather we went with Edwards until Williams is ready.
The only way Vardy plays AFL for us again should be if Nic Nat misses a game, and even then I'd be looking at other options first.

I think this is a perfect example of how people‘s impressions can be completely wrong. The only reason any of you are looking at Vardy as a lost cause is solely due to the fact you’re connecting his form in the first half of 2019 to now, despite the fact a year and a half has passed between then.

Even though Vardy hasn‘t featured at AFL level for a year and a half, the assumption is being made that his condition, form, and, ultimately, his person, is identical to how he was when he was dropped in round 10 in 2019, and the past 2 weeks are solely a continuation of that. Seemingly, it is being assumed that nothing has actually happened to Vardy in a year and a half - no injuries, no events in his life that might impact his game. And yet, this is completely ridiculous, given the fact that, well, Nathan Vardy is a human being. He lived for the past year and a half, dealing with setbacks at points and overcoming them.

And so, people are just ignoring the fact that Vards kicked 4 goals in the WAFL this week in a game we lost by 5 points. He‘s going to improve as the year goes on, and I don’t think people should be surprised when he’s eventually selected again.

 

[Godfather32]

I think this is a perfect example of how people‘s impressions can be completely wrong. The only reason any of you are looking on Vardy as a lost cause is solely due to the fact you’re connecting his form in the first half of 2019 to now, despite the fact a year and a half has passed between then.

Even though Vardy hasn‘t featured at AFL level for a year and a half, the assumption is being made that his condition, form, and, ultimately, his person, is identical to how he was when he was dropped in round 10 in 2019, and the past 2 weeks are solely a continuation of that. Seemingly, it is being assumed that nothing has actually happened to Vardy In a year and a half, no injuries, no event in his life that might impact his game. And yet, this is completely ridiculous, given the fact that, well, Nathan Vardy is a human being. He lived for the past year and a half, dealing with setbacks at points and overcoming them.

And so, people are just ignoring the fact that Vards kicked 4 goals in the WAFL this week in a game we lost by 5 points. He‘s going to improve as the year goes on, and I don’t think people should be surprised when he’s eventually selected again.

Yes, his performance against noted gun WAFL ruckman Dakota Baldwin-Wright surely means he's turned the corner and will be back in the side in no time....

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think this is a perfect example of how people‘s impressions can be completely wrong. The only reason any of you are looking at Vardy as a lost cause is solely due to the fact you’re connecting his form in the first half of 2019 to now, despite the fact a year and a half has passed between then.

I don’t know why you quoted two of my posts in this exercise. I never said he was a lost cause. In fact I said we’d probably need him against Collingwood in two weeks time.

But in terms of changes for the Saints, (i.e. the stated thread topic) who are currently fielding a makeshift ruck division and may rush back an underdone Marshall and/or an underdone Ryder, I don’t think bringing in Vardy is necessary. Especially if it involves dropping Brander after a career-best game.

 

[Biggie]

I think this is a perfect example of how people‘s impressions can be completely wrong. The only reason any of you are looking at Vardy as a lost cause is solely due to the fact you’re connecting his form in the first half of 2019 to now, despite the fact a year and a half has passed between then.

Even though Vardy hasn‘t featured at AFL level for a year and a half, the assumption is being made that his condition, form, and, ultimately, his person, is identical to how he was when he was dropped in round 10 in 2019, and the past 2 weeks are solely a continuation of that. Seemingly, it is being assumed that nothing has actually happened to Vardy in a year and a half - no injuries, no events in his life that might impact his game. And yet, this is completely ridiculous, given the fact that, well, Nathan Vardy is a human being. He lived for the past year and a half, dealing with setbacks at points and overcoming them.

And so, people are just ignoring the fact that Vards kicked 4 goals in the WAFL this week in a game we lost by 5 points. He‘s going to improve as the year goes on, and I don’t think people should be surprised when he’s eventually selected again.

 

[squashface]

After watching the replay my revised changes are

In: O’Neill, Winder
Out: Shuey, Petruccelle

Petch needs a solid block of games in the WAFL to work out what kind of player he is going to be. Can’t afford to have him do that at AFL level.

 

[CM9000]

I don’t know why you quoted two of my posts in this exercise. I never said he was a lost cause. In fact I said we’d probably need him against Collingwood in two weeks time.

But in terms of changes for the Saints, (i.e. the stated thread topic) who are currently fielding a makeshift ruck division and may rush back an underdone Marshall and/or an underdone Ryder, I don’t think bringing in Vardy is necessary. Especially if it involves dropping Brander after a career-best game.

Fair enough. I was just mass quoting a whole bunch of posts relatively quickly.

 

[Godfather32]

Fair enough. I was just mass quoting a whole bunch of posts relatively quickly.

If it makes you feel any better I still think he's crap and shouldn't be in the side at any point this season

 

[the harry]

Suggesting we debut anyone as the sub should be cardable

 

[Keys]

O’Neill for Shuey is obvious

Then it becomes our two perennial conundrums

Second ruck - not a fan of using Allen as Nic’s Robin but we looked so much better with him in that role than Vardy. It’s not a long term solution but it is for another week at least

Small forward musical chairs - I doubt many will agree with me but I thought Petch and JJ played their role reasonably well in the first half, the kind of game that won’t impress many fans but internally the club would be satisfied with. They didn’t collect a lot of stats but they were continually harassing ports defenders. Jones fell away badly after half time and Petch less so. I’d give them both another run

Ainsworth to travel as the sub

 

[dkalphy]

If Brander gets dropped, i'll come to WA myself and knock the match committee out. He better not get dropped

 

[DieSwans]

Jones hanging by a thread...was horrid last night.

Would give him another chance based off 3 goals the week before.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

No chance whatsoever Brander gets dropped.

What message would that send anyway.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Shuey in the guts a lot for someone who was on limited minutes. Brander spent a bit of time up the ground, moreso once Shuey went off.

 

[Balls In]

And so, people are just ignoring the fact that Vards kicked 4 goals in the WAFL this week in a game we lost by 5 points. He‘s going to improve as the year goes on, and I don’t think people should be surprised when he’s eventually selected again.

Yeah thats the other part to this equation. Vardy clunked a few good marks and goals on the weekend and his body is going ok for a change. People forget that in the back end of 2018 he was rucking better than Lycett. Some of that please!

 

[shooshka]

Jones hanging by a thread...was horrid last night.

Would give him another chance based off 3 goals the week before.

Stats wise (and probably on review with the amount of fumbling, especially after the rain) JJ, Petch and Cripps were 3 of our bottom 5-8 players.

But then we have the other 4 forwards performing to such a high level - there really were only scraps left. As long as their pressure was up (it seemed to be) then they did their job!

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[TY24]

In: XON
Out: Shuey

31 touches for XON in the 2's bodes well. Hope the kid can get an extended run in the side.

Not really sure who to go with out of Petch and Langdon.

Single ruck approach worked well, I'd expect us to run it again against the Saints considering Marshall and Ryder will both be out.

 

[WCEswift]

Out: Shuey (injury), Petch (not AFL standard for me)
In: Exxon, Winder

Very temping to bring Waterman in but I think he's a about two games away from getting back to form and he didn't look good in the WAFL, plus it would make us too tall. Shuey unfortunately will be our for a few weeks so Exxon is the obvious candidate to come in. Petch has to be dropped, looked lost and didn't know what to do, Winder would have to come in, surely he can provide more than what Petch does.

this

 

[JDWCE]

Would love to see Winder named. Someone who has serious footy nous unlike Petch. Reward his WAFL form

 

[dajesmac]

Given St Kildas ruck situation we can go with Allen again as second ruck.

O’Neill for Shuey and Winder for Petch