Chris Yarran

[Richo83]

I don't agree with any of this. It was Henderson that picked the wrong play and kicked the ball not only to Yarran's positional disadvantage, but to the disadvantage of his strengths as a player. Just a pity given the great game he'd played up that point. Where Yarran fell down was not an issue of "football intelligence" and neither is something his game lacks; in fact, generally (albeit not consistently) he sums up situations and space pretty well and has good vision to match. There were other deficiencies at play here.

But Yarran lead to the ball, Yarran could have marked that ball or at least forced a contest. It just seemed like Henderson was not going to take risks. Your position seems to be Henderson picked the wrong play, but Yarran didn't apply himself or put in the yards. I'm guessing maybe this is a fine line, but possibly Yarran did need to react a little quicker and apply himself more. You admit that Yarran lacked application in that contest, and possibly that's when Yarran needs to realise that that's the key moment when he needs to show application, resilience and determination, as you call it. From an outsider's perspective, it just seemed like Yarran read the situation wrong and didn't realise what was required, which is what I mean by football intelligence, which in part is being able to sum up a situation and react accordingly, to sum up situations and space. But, okay, maybe it's more application. I just don't think Yarran played that contest well. Henderson was under enormous pressure and I don't think Yarran helped him out enough.

Agree though that he should not have had a shot at his teammate.

Yep. Let's say you're right and it was Henderson's fault, but Henderson was spent and I don't think he could've kicked very far, which makes Yarran's response fairly harsh. The last thing Henderson needs after that is being berated, especially as Henderson had a really good game. I don't think it's fair to crucify Henderson personally, he's probably already doing that to himself.

One thing is for sure though, you don't blame losing the match from being 5 goals up and should have been further, to one 22yo kid who came on in the last quarter as the sub.

Fair point, I don't think Yarran lost you the game, I think a game is won and lost with hundreds of actions, but it was a factor and a key moment, as well as Lucas missing a crucial goal. I think he's a good player, I just think he has moments where he leaves himself open to criticism for being, as you said, not determined enough.

 

[Richo83]

Just on that, how was White in that match. As I said, not a world beater, but took on Crameri and curtailed his influence. Most definitely an AFL standard performance from him. And Lachie too. 5 contested marks and several spoils. Perhaps you see why some are rating him and Jamison higher than Chaplin and Rance, even if you don't agree?

I knew you'd hark back to this, I knew it! Look, Henderson had a good game, but he played against a first gamer which helped. Daniher got sucked under the ball a lot which allowed Henderson to get some uncontested marks. I don't think that proves that he's better than Rance, I just think it means he had a good game. As for Jamison, I think he played on Hurley for parts of the match? I don't rate Hurley as a CHF to be honest (although don't tell bomber fans, they get a bit angsty when their golden child is criticised). I think both had a good game, but I'm unwilling to analyse the worth of three players on one match, especially as Essendon have been struggling how to make their key forwards work for a few weeks now. I thought the Richmond backmen held the West Coast forwards really well last weekend, but again, it's one match.

 

[Monkey King]

Yep. Let's say you're right and it was Henderson's fault, but Henderson was spent and I don't think he could've kicked very far, which makes Yarran's response fairly harsh.

Agree Yarran shouldn't have done that and should have been focused on his man. It was a poor effort from a young player with a lot to learn. He doesn't want for footy intelligence though and that wasn't what was lacking in last night's play either.

 

[Monkey King]

I knew you'd hark back to this, I knew it! Look, Henderson had a good game, but he played against a first gamer which helped. Daniher got sucked under the ball a lot which allowed Henderson to get some uncontested marks. I don't think that proves that he's better than Rance, I just think it means he had a good game. As for Jamison, I think he played on Hurley for parts of the match? I don't rate Hurley as a CHF to be honest (although don't tell bomber fans, they get a bit angsty when their golden child is criticised). I think both had a good game, but I'm unwilling to analyse the worth of three players on one match, especially as Essendon have been struggling how to make their key forwards work for a few weeks now. I thought the Richmond backmen held the West Coast forwards really well last weekend, but again, it's one match.

Mate it was you who brought it up, so a bit of a weird comment there.

Not interested in your talk downs. Henderson took 5 contested marks, so not sure why you talk about uncontested marks. He currently sits 7th in the AFL for contested marks btw, the most of any defender.

I bring it up, because it was pretty much business as usual for our backmen last night. You talk about WCE ... the Blues held Darling and Kennedy to one goal between them. They've been putting in good performances all year, so you can drop the "it's just one game" comments. I guess this is why Ron's stat table threw you a bit.

Anyway, I just thought it was a good demonstration for you to perhaps appreciate, even if you don't agree, why a lot of footy watchers rate the Carlton duo better than Rance and Chaplin. Up to you though if you want that insight or not. I also thought it was a good demonstration to you of why I say White is of AFL standard. He's been performing well.

 

[Richo83]

Mate it was you who brought it up, so a bit of a weird comment there.

My point was merely to illustrate that as much as I could use this moment to pick on Henderson, I didn't, I could blow Henderson's act out of proportion, but I honestly thought that Yarran was more in error than Henderson, even though I could use this moment to be a jerk and ridicule Henderson for losing the match, I wont, because that would be incorrect.

 

[Monkey King]

... I could use this moment to be a jerk and ridicule Henderson for losing the match, I wont, because that would be incorrect.

Yes. You would have been a jerk to try and point score off that. But once you introduced the point, I thought it a fair arc back to the points I was trying to make to you earlier and the data in Ron's table.

 

[gardiner stand]

Do you even watch the team in your profile?

I guess you're looking for a new whipping boy with Brock playing well.

Yarran is more likely to rise in a final and do something brilliant than nothing. Did it in the WC final when he was pushed forward and created two score assists from nowhere.

Yarran said he is still carring the turf toe injury he suffered last year. Suspect Mick knows more than he's letting on.

Our substitutes haven't had an impact this year bar Buckley who came on very early against Geelong.

No Brock is slow unaccountable and a massive liability
Turns like the titanic
Chases like a tortoise

FYI I go to every game and I can report that,
Lucas is a dud
Gibbs wears nappies
Kruezer is either a flop or a massive underachiever
Robbo is a good 2nds player
Hampson is useless where ever he plays
Curnow is a hack
Jamison is overrated
White is plain shit for afl standard

I also see some northern blues games and can report,
Watson is a waste of space(his head takes up plenty of it too)
Warnock is a flop
Collins is an ok country footballer
Okeefe boards at st Vincent's
Bootsma is of no value
McCarthy is lucky to make the nb 2nds
Mitchell won't amount to anything
Davies must go at seasons end
Duigan just has very bad skills
Joseph -see Davies

 

[SpaceCow]

No Brock is slow unaccountable and a massive liability
Turns like the titanic
Chases like a tortoise

FYI I go to every game and I can report that,
Lucas is a dud
Gibbs wears nappies
Kruezer is either a flop or a massive underachiever
Robbo is a good 2nds player
Hampson is useless where ever he plays
Curnow is a hack
Jamison is overrated
White is plain shit for afl standard

I also see some northern blues games and can report,
Watson is a waste of space(his head takes up plenty of it too)
Warnock is a flop
Collins is an ok country footballer
Okeefe boards at st Vincent's
Bootsma is of no value
McCarthy is lucky to make the nb 2nds
Mitchell won't amount to anything
Davies must go at seasons end
Duigan just has very bad skills
Joseph -see Davies

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Is there anyone you do rate?

 

[2one2]

Pay peanuts ...

 

[Monkey King]

Well ... err ... that was kinda my point.

 

[Kakkle]

Dropped for Friday nights game.

 

[forwardflanker]

Agree Yarran shouldn't have done that and should have been focused on his man. It was a poor effort from a young player with a lot to learn. He doesn't want for footy intelligence though and that wasn't what was lacking in last night's play either.

In fairness to Yarran it looked a lot worse than it did and people are to quick to jump on him - it was more Henderson's fault than Yarran's imo. After looking at the replay again it's hard to really understand what Henderson was trying to do with the kick but he should of really honoured Yarran's wishes of it getting kicked over his head. Perhaps Yarran could be criticised for demanding a riskier option (though I'm not even convinced it was) given how tight the game was.

 

[forwardflanker]

No Brock is slow unaccountable and a massive liability
Turns like the titanic
Chases like a tortoise

FYI I go to every game and I can report that,
Lucas is a dud - will be a good player in 1-2 years
Gibbs wears nappies yep
Kruezer is either a flop or a massive underachiever - Kreuzer is about midfield in terms of number draft picks, not a star but still a quality AFL player
Robbo is a good 2nds player - Robinson is a fool but still useful if he in the bottom 5-6 players picked
Hampson is useless where ever he plays - Hampson would thrive at a club as 2nd ruck if that club a capable #1 forward target. Carlton don't and he suffers as a result
Curnow is a hack - yep
Jamison is overrated - nope
White is plain shit for afl standard - don't know

I also see some northern blues games and can report,
Watson is a waste of space(his head takes up plenty of it too) - yep
Warnock is a flop -AFL standard ruckman, would be playing senior footy for quite a few other clubs, does not fit in well with Carlton's list
Collins is an ok country footballer - yep
Okeefe boards at st Vincent's
Bootsma is of no value - will be a good player one day
McCarthy is lucky to make the nb 2nds
Mitchell won't amount to anything
Davies must go at seasons end
Duigan just has very bad skills - big heart and professional but not AFL standard imo
Joseph - How did this guy end up on an AFL list, and why has it been so long?

imo

 

[Silvagnis]

No Brock is slow unaccountable and a massive liability
Turns like the titanic
Chases like a tortoise

FYI I go to every game and I can report that,
Lucas is a dud
Gibbs wears nappies
Kruezer is either a flop or a massive underachiever
Robbo is a good 2nds player
Hampson is useless where ever he plays
Curnow is a hack
Jamison is overrated
White is plain shit for afl standard

I also see some northern blues games and can report,
Watson is a waste of space(his head takes up plenty of it too)
Warnock is a flop
Collins is an ok country footballer
Okeefe boards at st Vincent's
Bootsma is of no value
McCarthy is lucky to make the nb 2nds
Mitchell won't amount to anything
Davies must go at seasons end
Duigan just has very bad skills
Joseph -see Davies

My view

gardiner stand - muppet who should have been traded to Carlton's Facebook page. You'll get a lot of likes on there.

 

[Ted38]

In fairness to Yarran it looked a lot worse than it did and people are to quick to jump on him - it was more Henderson's fault than Yarran's imo. After looking at the replay again it's hard to really understand what Henderson was trying to do with the kick but he should of really honoured Yarran's wishes of it getting kicked over his head. Perhaps Yarran could be criticised for demanding a riskier option (though I'm not even convinced it was) given how tight the game was.

Excuses excuses, the fact is that Yarran's attitude was shithouse and unacceptable for an AFL player now he can go back to the VFL and reflect on it. Hopefully he will get the message and realise that the team is bigger than the individual.

 

[Ted38]

No Brock is slow unaccountable and a massive liability
Turns like the titanic
Chases like a tortoise

FYI I go to every game and I can report that,
Lucas is a dud
Gibbs wears nappies
Kruezer is either a flop or a massive underachiever
Robbo is a good 2nds player
Hampson is useless where ever he plays
Curnow is a hack
Jamison is overrated
White is plain shit for afl standard

I also see some northern blues games and can report,
Watson is a waste of space(his head takes up plenty of it too)
Warnock is a flop
Collins is an ok country footballer
Okeefe boards at st Vincent's
Bootsma is of no value
McCarthy is lucky to make the nb 2nds
Mitchell won't amount to anything
Davies must go at seasons end
Duigan just has very bad skills
Joseph -see Davies

You should forward this to Wayne Hughes, I'm sure he'll be interested.

 

[forwardflanker]

Excuses excuses, the fact is that Yarran's attitude was shithouse and unacceptable for an AFL player now he can go back to the VFL and reflect on it. Hopefully he will get the message and realise that the team is bigger than the individual.

I'm not making any excuses for his body language and behavior son, I was just commented on that single passage of play.

btw you should worry about your own backyard imo, how's Andrew Gaff been going this year. The only difference b/w Carlton and WC is that at least Mick Malthouse has had the stones to drop players who are soft, not performing, poor effort etc. Perhaps this is the reason why WC have gone from being finals easy beats to being easybeats throughout the whole season. Worsfold is stale and he's not getting his message accross and that's been reflected in WC's effort to date. Time for a new coach imo

 

[Hodgepodge]

FYI I go to every game and I can report that,
Lucas is a dud

Lucas is pretty good, and he's about the only good player carlton have played out of the draft in recent years. Menzel might be another.

 

[Ted38]

I'm not making any excuses for his body language and behavior son, I was just commented on that single passage of play.

btw you should worry about your own backyard imo, how's Andrew Gaff been going this year. The only difference b/w Carlton and WC is that at least Mick Malthouse has had the stones to drop players who are soft, not performing, poor effort etc. Perhaps this is the reason why WC have gone from being finals easy beats to being easybeats throughout the whole season. Worsfold is stale and he's not getting his message accross and that's been reflected in WC's effort to date. Time for a new coach imo

Couldn't agree more, doesn't alter what I said about Yarran, sonny.

 

[Squibbs]

Droooooopped.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Dropped. Fairly damning.

 

[gardiner stand]

My view

gardiner stand - muppet who should have been traded to Carlton's Facebook page. You'll get a lot of likes on there.

My view
Gardiner stand -realistic,smarter than you
Robinson kreuzer- groupie,part of the clique,generally nfi

 

[half_back_flank]

Didn't respond well to being dropped last year, interesting to see how he handles it this time.

 

[chunkylover53]

Didn't respond well to being dropped last year, interesting to see how he handles it this time.

Wasn't dropped last year. Told to play VFL in the senior bye week to get a run after being injured. Yes he did crack it, and played like it too. Only to be rewarded with a senior game the next week.

 

[Page8383]

I think Malthouse has done the right thing. If Yarrans good enough hell come back better from it.
Being dropped isn't the end of the world it used to happen more than it does now. Virtually everyone gets dropped at one stage or another (or at least used to).

I wish Scott would drop some of our under performers and give them something to think about rather than a cushioned free ride to senior football.