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2 firsts and a good player/kid seems more likely than one of the untouchables.
I don’t expect Melbourne to entertain either.
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2 firsts and a good player/kid seems more likely than one of the untouchables.
I don’t expect Melbourne to entertain either.
What do you consider a good player in this?
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Melbourne would be interested in all off SPS, Fisher or Cuningham. I’d hate to see any of them go but I think that’s the type we’d have to lose. Later swaps could be involved but two firsts would need to be the guts of it.
Dow and LOB will be thrown up but in reality aren’t worth anything to the Dees.
As has been said plenty to times so far. Goodwin and Mahoney Jon’s on the line aren’t letting Oliver walk out the door. There’d need to a significant player coming back in. Even if it was through the use of picks from Carlton. But we’d be asking for McKay for sure.
When have you ever seen a gun traded for another gun recently.
Shiel, Beams, Treloar, Dangerfield - all traded for picks.
I am aware they were largely out of contract, but a a point you have to gamble as a club on getting maximum compensation while contracted against waiting a year and trying to convince the player to stay while risking receiving lower compensation for an uncontracted player.
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Melbourne will have Brown, Weideman and Jackson in the one forward line next season. Not sure it’s McKay you’ll be after. Unless Jackson develops in the 2s and Weideman plays as a 3rd tall.
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Oliver is a quality player but he isn’t Chris Judd. Talk of Carlton even entertaining one of their contracted young stars (McKay, curnow, Walsh) is pointless. Unless they were begging to in the other direction and it not going to happen.
Draft picks and a good young player like SPS, fisher, Cunningham, Dow (who Carlton don’t want to lose) would be the best offer.
unless Oliver pushes hard for the deal and makes it uncomfortable for him to be at the dees, the deal is unlikely to be done
Draft picks and a good young player like SPS, fisher, Cunningham, Dow (who Carlton don’t want to lose) would be the best offer.
unless Oliver pushes hard for the deal and makes it uncomfortable for him to be at the dees, the deal is unlikely to be done
You are 100% correct. But yet again, In a season where Melbourne NEEDS to make finals. We aren't trading out one of our top 3 players unless we are getting the same quality back. In a fair trade it would be two first rounders plus SPS or Dow, but in the context of what needs to happen next season. I don't see us taking anything unless it's Walsh plus a first rounder.
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Yep two firsts and SPS/Fisher is what it will take.
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If it was SPS or Fisher I’d expect some later swaps in our favour. Both seem really happy at Carlton and have a spot in the best 22 so I’m not sure if they’d entertain it.
It’ll be tough deal if it gets done.
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Reality if an Oliver to Carlton trade were to happen a 3rd club would have to be involved. Melbourne would be wanting a top quality player back, not draft picks and Carlton won’t be giving up their top young kids.
An outside skillful mid would be a top priority, if a Melbourne can’t get a player like Merrett, J.Kelly, Whitfield back then Melbourne wouldn’t see the need to move Oliver on
An outside skillful mid would be a top priority, if a Melbourne can’t get a player like Merrett, J.Kelly, Whitfield back then Melbourne wouldn’t see the need to move Oliver on
If Melbourne acquire B Brown, they'd be looking for midfield quality from Carlton (which Carlton lacks). Walsh isn't going anywhere, so I wonder if Cuningham is being looked at but again, Carlton seriously lack the player types that Dees would seek in any trade involving Clarry.
Isn't the talk that you might get Wines?
Melbourne:
Out: Oliver
In: First Round Selection, Wines.
Port Adelaide:
Out: Wines
IN, First Round Selection
Carlton:
Out: Two First Round Selections
In: Oliver
Late pick swaps to even it out.
Where has this come from?
Why would we have any interest in Ollie Wines?
That's still giving up pennies on the dollar for Oliver.
Heard theres still talks Wines wants out of Port Adelaide like last season (he reached out privately to Carlton last year but a deal couldn't be done as we were focussing on Papley - has been confirmed by Sam Edmund, among others). Talk is it might happen again this year. Aren't he and Viney also best mates?
And yeah, it may be pennies on the dollar (although i'd say thats hyperbole, Wines and a first rounder is quality comepnsation for Oliver). But that's what happens when you have players wanting to leave your club. You don't get top value if thye want to leave. Really up to Melbourne to build a better culture and a better performing team and these issues wont arise.
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I am going to regret this, but....
At the same point in their careers (48 matches), McKay has kicked more goals than Lynch had (71 vs 57) and taken similar # of contested marks (90 vs 88).
I CBF looking at any other stats, so Lynch might come out in front on other metrics. Or maybe not.
I was going to make the point that Lynch played in crappier teams, but amazingly Lynch played in more wins in his first 48 matches than McKay (15 vs 13). Which is a real indictment on how shizen Carlton has been in recent years.
McKay compares pretty favourably against Josh Kennedy, Charlie Dixon, Joe Daniher and Tom Hawkins at the same game tally. Now, McKay is 1-2 years older than some of those guys, so I admit perhaps that is an unfair comparison. Or perhaps it is balanced out by the fact that McKay has had an injury-interrupted career so far.
PLEASE NOTE: I am NOT saying McKay will end up as good as any of the players listed above. But at this point in their careers, they are reasonable comparisons.
He is NOT the 2nd coming of Buddy, Paul Salmon or Matthew Richardson. But, he is a young(ish) forward who has had a promising start to his career. He is very tall, is an excellent mark, is quick, good below his knees and has good goal sense (but shaky goal-kicking). He may not amount to much or he could end up a gun. Clubs love KPPs with potential. Right now, I think he would be one of the most valuable young KPPs in the league (trade-wise).
Only these "Carlton ITK" posters are running with this.
Wines being mates with Oliver doesn't mean he's coming to Melbourne, we have no need for Ollie Wines.
You will when Oliver is playing in a Navy Blue Jumper with a White Monogram on the front.
ferrisb
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Another 2c for the nobody that asked for it....
Right now Oliver is easily the better player. But, hypothetically the two change teams in a straight swap...
Each team's fanbase would misplace their faeces, but IMO both teams would be better off (team balance).
Right now Oliver is easily the better player. But, hypothetically the two change teams in a straight swap...
Each team's fanbase would misplace their faeces, but IMO both teams would be better off (team balance).
Blackas87
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Ollie Wines wouldn’t be the type Melbourne are after.
You say he reached out privately to Carlton last year, why not just take him instead?
Oliver is younger and better. I'm sure if Wines is still looking to move to Melbourne and we can't get Oliver across, i'm sure the Blues would also talk to Wines.
Serious question for Dees supporters. Would you be happy to swap Oliver for Wines AND B.Brown?
I ask this only because I think the only potential way Carlton could satisfy a trade (without giving up an essential player) would be to help Melbourne obtain their own targets.
Blackas87
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well Melbourne have no need for Wines so he won’t be getting you Oliver. Doubt Wines would want to leave Port after a top season and I doubt Port would also give him up for a draft pick as they would be considering themselves a premiership chance.
Blackas87
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Hell no. Oliver is better than Wines and we can get Brown with the draft picks we already have.
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