Collingwood 2015

[Adam H]

Considering the way Carlton have performed under Malthouse it's hardly a "given" that he should have been retained as coach at Collingwood. The Malthouse of approx 15 years ago had Collingwood move from wooden-spooners to grand finalists in the space of three seasons, Carlton haven't performed any better under Malthouse than they did under Ratten and you could argue they've gone backwards under his tutelage (the raw results certainly suggest that). I don't disagree with your second point, I'm just highlighting the hypocrisy of some people who claimed that the proposed role for Malthouse at Collingwood from 2012-14 was largely pointless that then will inevitably point out that the loss of Eade (from the so-called "pointless" position) will be huge for Collingwood. You can't have it both ways, either Malthouse was offered a meaningful/important position at Collingwood from 2012-14 and the loss of Eade will hurt (to some extent) or the position Malthouse was offered was pointless and the Eade could almost be made redundant at Collingwood for that reason and it wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, I expect trolls to take the position of Malthouse was offered a crap job from 2012-14 but the loss of Eade will hurt Collingwood, a position that doesn't exist.

Its not the fact that Malthouse had a meaningful role and left its the fact the job went to Buckley.

 

[mike123]

- Adams is only 21 and may be a prospect.
- Young played 17 games last year. Good run and carry player. Dropped off at the end of the season and then suffered a hamstring injury
- White - jury still out but I'm not a fan. Hopefully Ben Reid will be able to play a full season next year.
- Lynch was worth a punt at around 300k a season. Serviceable. Lots of clubs were interested when he became a free agent I recall.
- Russell was a top draft pick (#9 or 10? I think) who warranted another chance. Again not a fan but didn't cost much. Now have Langdon, Williams and a host of others coming on. Only played half a season. On the list for one year only.

Didn't quite go down the Beau Maister or Dean Polo path like the Saints. Thank goodness Maister retired, bit of a spud who understandably changed his name!

I actually rated Maister when he had that other name.

 

[dipper86]

any premiership player is hell even Aaron keating is.
he can sit in his office and look at all these awards but he would trade them all for a flag.
all the above are great players but they didn't win the ultimate.
you play to win the flag and your career is never truly fulfilled if you don't.

What a croc of sh*t....say what you like in regards to his coaching but as player you are that far off it isn't funny, its bordering on embarrassing.

 

[HFF]

We will be up against it but if our injury run improves we should be able to give the 8 a shake.

Guys like Brown and Reid will be like new recruits next season at both ends of the ground, further development into quality kids like Broomhead, Kennedy, Grundy, Adams etc.

If we go backwards, it will be a poor reflection of the coach rather than the playing list because he has plenty of top end talent to work with in the kids along with the guns in Pendlebury, Swan, Sidebottom, Cloke.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Yet Maister kicked more goals than Lynch in there first season at the club and Maister would have been on halF the salary. The justification of the Russel recruitment means that getting Polo is also justified as he was a early pick.

The difference between the recruiting programs of both clubs is evident in the fact that St Kilda sit are sitting on the bottom of the ladder for the foreseeable future.

 

[Schraderbrau]

any premiership player is hell even Aaron keating is.
he can sit in his office and look at all these awards but he would trade them all for a flag.
all the above are great players but they didn't win the ultimate.
you play to win the flag and your career is never truly fulfilled if you don't.

the keyboard warriors out there like to think that players like Buckley are somehow unfulfilled because they missed out on winning a premiership. I'm sure Buckley is pretty satisfied enough with the millions he's earned out of his fulltime job.

 

[SugarCoat]

I don't know why people use the Lynch procurement as an example of a failed trade. It wasn't a trade.
Lynch didn't directly replace Dawes in a trade, Pick 20 did.
Lynch was a FA movement, which allowed Pick 20 to come in.
I'm backing in one year Melbourne fans will be scratching their heads seeing Broomhead become one of the best players out of the 2012 draft.
At the same time they will wonder why they are paying Dawes $450 k per year.

 

[suspect footskills]

Flags because flags define a player's ability rather than aspirations. You're wasting your time.

Flags define teams not individuals. Buckley couldn't have achieved any more as an individual than he did. Is Reiwoldt less of a forward than Mooney? cos he doesn't have a premiership medal? Richo? Plugger? All spuds?

 

[suspect footskills]

Flags because flags define a player's ability rather than aspirations. You're wasting your time.

Flags define teams not individuals. Buckley couldn't have achieved any more as an individual than he did. Is Reiwoldt less of a forward than Mooney? cos he doesn't have a premiership medal? Richo? Plugger? All spuds?

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Flags define teams not individuals. Buckley couldn't have achieved any more as an individual than he did. Is Reiwoldt less of a forward than Mooney? cos he doesn't have a premiership medal? Richo? Plugger? All spuds?

I was being a smart arse.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Its a list of names at present. Those close to the club have a lot of faith in players who the club has been developing in recent years. Injury has curtailed the development of some of these players so we dont really know how good some of them might turn out to be.

They are on the right path as most of the players we have lost we have not missed, and the trade value we have got from these players has been good. Trade value and draft picks dont win you flags though, as Melbourne supporters well know.

Our immediate future lies in the hands of 2nd 3rd and 4th year players like Grundy Witts Freeman Seedman Broomhead Kennedy Williams Thomas Fasolo Frost Adams Karnezis etc, as well as Reid and Brown Maccaffer back from injury, and Sharenburg and this years pick 5 down the track. If these players dont develop (or return) to the required level (and all indications is that most of them will) then it will be a long haul back into the 8.

 

[iameviljez]

They are on the right path as most of the players we have lost we have not missed, and the trade value we have got from these players has been good.

Whilst the club has done well in terms of trading out for players, I can't agree that they haven't been missed. Collingwood have gone from the best team in 2011 (till at least the last month of the season) to missing the eight in an admittedly injury-ravaged 2014. Shaw, Wellingham and a Collingwood-standard Thomas would have been handy.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Whilst the club has done well in terms of trading out for players, I can't agree that they haven't been missed. Collingwood have gone from the best team in 2011 (till at least the last month of the season) to missing the eight in an admittedly injury-ravaged 2014. Shaw, Wellingham and a Collingwood-standard Thomas would have been handy.

I said most. I'd take Shaw back in an instant although Adams will be a good long term player for us.

We havent seen anything like Collingwood standard from Wellingham or Thomas at their new clubs so its a moot point to say we miss them as they were in 2010.

 

[MarkT2]

Thomas will be a lot better after a pre season.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Thomas will be a lot better after a pre season.

Yep. Hes missed about three in a row now.

Theres about a dozen Collingwood players who will also be a lot better after a preseason too.. Besides, he walked. Its not as if we chose to trade him.

 

[suspect footskills]

I was being a smart arse.

Oh, oops. Sarcasm gets past me after a certain number of beers. My bad.

 

[iameviljez]

We havent seen anything like Collingwood standard from Wellingham or Thomas at their new clubs so its a moot point to say we miss them as they were in 2010.

I disagree, in that Collingwood has one of the best training programs and medical facilities in the competition. Most players - with the exception of Dawes - have declined since leaving the club. My point is that had they stayed, they probably would have been better players (especially given that Collingwood is a better club than either of the two destinations).

 

[loki04]

that norm smith should have gone to vossy anyone that watched that game knows that.
as for the brownlow he did have to share his moment of glory with 2 others.
I'll agree he was a decent player but he played for himself before team maybe that's where the hate comes from.
truly great players have premierships. footy is a team sport it's not about individual accolades.

Buckley was clear and away the best player in the 02 GF, in fact Leigh Mathews had to move Voss off Buckley as he was destroying Brisbanes midfield.

Voss had a good last 10 minutes of the last quarter prior to that he wasn't even Brisbanes best player.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

I disagree, in that Collingwood has one of the best training programs and medical facilities in the competition. Most players - with the exception of Dawes - have declined since leaving the club. My point is that had they stayed, they probably would have been better players (especially given that Collingwood is a better club than either of the two destinations).

Dawes was terrible in 2012 for us, apart from a brief patch he was never that good. And Wellingham was decent but never a consistently good player, I doubt West Coasts facilities are that far behind ours...

 

[loki04]

Dawes was terrible in 2012 for us, apart from a brief patch he was never that good. And Wellingham was decent but never a consistently good player, I doubt West Coasts facilities are that far behind ours...

Wellers issues aren't due to training facilities or physical impingements imo its all mental with him.

Even as a pie he was either switched on or coasting from game to game and I rate him as a good player. IMO his seeking a trade may have been him trying to find motivation to perform again. It is well known that a few pie players mentally checked out after 2010 and 2011. I think he and Thomas are both in that bunch.

Dawes is a solid structural player no gun but does straighten teams up and provides a contest allowing players to feed off his spoils and space created from crunching packs. I think he is a very good pick up for Melbourne and is also a good leader to have around a young group. If he can continue to imrove his marking he will be a good solid player for the remainder of his career. In the end was a good trade for player and clubs involved. Correct decision.

Thomas left due to missing Daddy dearest and has a few issues one physical (ankle) two is mental is not working as hard as he did prior to 10 and 11.

Shaw I guess was a hard call someone who bled black and white even pleaded to stay unsuccessfully. The issue was he had used up a lot of chances and the club felt both could benefit from a fresh start. Is a loss for the now but in saying that Adams should prove a handy acquisition and a better long term investment.

 

[Tas]

Good to see Varcoe in the best 22 and not a fringe player. Was much a maligned player by supporters when at Geelong, had some great games mixed in with long spurts of average. Hope he fits in and is serviceable...

He was maligned because his last two years have been horrendous.

 

[loki04]

He was maligned because his last two years have been horrendous.

Might be good for him to have fresh start then, can often re ignite careers.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I disagree, in that Collingwood has one of the best training programs and medical facilities in the competition. Most players - with the exception of Dawes - have declined since leaving the club. My point is that had they stayed, they probably would have been better players (especially given that Collingwood is a better club than either of the two destinations).

Pure speculation.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He was maligned because his last two years have been horrendous.

His 2014 was his first season in three where he was not injured. I'm not sold on him being what we need but I am happy to put his "horrendous" form down to injury. At least hes not a space cadet like the guy we traded out!

 

[Adam H]

The difference between the recruiting programs of both clubs is evident in the fact that St Kilda sit are sitting on the bottom of the ladder for the foreseeable future.

More timing than anything else. StKildas list was built around the 2000-2003 drafts while Collingwoods was built around the 2005-2007 drafts.