List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[bzparkes]

What a fan boy comment

Over the same period that Bulldogs won a flag, WCE made 2 grand finals(won one) and had the most wins of any team.

Unlike WCE, Bulldogs have only managed to improve their list over that time, yet somehow managed to get progressively worse.

Say what you want about the stubborness of Simmo to change the game plan between 2019-2021 but he was still a far better coach than Beveridge over the period that WCE were up and about.

 

[stallon]

in 2022 when Leon Cameron

Leon Cameron

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was at the Giants doing his Whitfield on the wing experiment, Cumming was the main designated kicker in defence, doing kickins, etc.
Cumming is the HBF guy we should chase, he would be doing that role for GWS right now if they didnt have Whitfield back there who is probably the best in the league(and he was fit)

 

[eaglevision]

Zurhaar?

I was talking about running off a HBF but Zuurhar is an interesting one. I think looking at any free agents (particularly from WA) that can make us a better team would be well worth it. The problem with Zurhaar is I think he’d play a similar forward role that I expect Harley and Hewett to play. Only difference being he’d spend most of his time in the forward line and chop out in the midfield. Medium-long term I expect Harley and Hewett to play mainly midfield and rest in the forward line so I’m not sure there’s a spot for him. I absolutely see Maric as a long term third tall so if we had Zuurhar in there as well I’d be worried we’re too tall and will struggle to lock the ball in F50 with defensive forward pressure and speed. I also have question marks over his attitude and fitness and any deal would have to be a long one which I’m absolutely not prepared to offer to Zurhaar at this stage.

In saying all that talent free of draft capital in that age bracket would improve our list so I can see why people would argue that it’s a good idea and that’s fair enough but for me Zuuhar has too many questions over form, fitness and attitude to warrant a long term deal and he really doesn’t fit a list need IMO.

 

[mat11]

Zurhaar?

There's already enough players on our list with question marks I hope we don't get zurhaar. Let freo have that crab

 

[eaglevision]

Cumming in free agency would be a gamechanger for us. Elite kick. Perryman would be another good get.

I’d much rather spend $1.2m a year on these two than Tim English. Cumming needs to show he can stay on the park but if we got these two, then Hopkins in the MSD and Travaglia in the ND we would see the immediate end of turnover merchant HBFs JJ, Rotham and Witho at the end of the year. Will Duursma next year also plays HBF/wing which will put much needed pressure on Cole and Hunt in a contract year.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Cumming in free agency would be a gamechanger for us. Elite kick. Perryman would be another good get.

Yeah this is one I was thinking of to be honest. Perryman will join Port I think

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I was talking about running off a HBF but Zuurhar is an interesting one. I think looking at any free agents (particularly from WA) that can make us a better team would be well worth it. The problem with Zurhaar is I think he’d play a similar forward role that I expect Harley and Hewett to play. Only difference being he’d spend most of his time in the forward line and chop out in the midfield. Medium-long term I expect Harley and Hewett to play mainly midfield and rest in the forward line so I’m not sure there’s a spot for him. I absolutely see Maric as a long term third tall so if we had Zuurhar in there as well I’d be worried we’re too tall and will struggle to lock the ball in F50 with defensive forward pressure and speed. I also have question marks over his attitude and fitness and any deal would have to be a long one which I’m absolutely not prepared to offer to Zurhaar at this stage.

In saying all that talent free of draft capital in that age bracket would improve our list so I can see why people would argue that it’s a good idea and that’s fair enough but for me Zuuhar has too many questions over form, fitness and attitude to warrant a long term deal and he really doesn’t fit a list need IMO.

Zurhaar is a reasonable forward and not a tall forward like maric so a doubt they are fighting for the same position .

I would be offering 3 years at enough for norf to get band 3 compo with their low ladder position it will be a pick in the low 20s before bids .

The good thing about guys like Baker and zurhaah is they can chop out in the middle for a few years to protect the kids but then fall back on their main position full time once our young midfield gets up and running

I also see maric as the 3rd tall defender with the kicking in duties . He is a beautiful field kick

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

There's already enough players on our list with question marks I hope we don't get zurhaar. Let freo have that crab

He is a big thick boy and it has taken a lot of years to build a tank but now he is finally starting to play that role of a forward who has impact in the middle with his size and aggression.

Be nice to pinch a player another team has put all the effort in to get fit . Especially as a free agent .

Our midfield is getting held together by Yeo 30 and Kelly who turns 30 in 2 months.

We need other options in the middle

 

[eaglevision]

Zurhaar is a reasonable forward and not a tall forward like maric so a doubt they are fighting for the same position .

I would be offering 3 years at enough for norf to get band 3 compo with their low ladder position it will be a pick in the low 20s before bids .

The good thing about guys like Baker and zurhaah is they can chop out in the middle for a few years to protect the kids but then fall back on their main position full time once our young midfield gets up and running

I also see maric as the 3rd tall defender with the kicking in duties . He is a beautiful field kick

Agreed he’s not a tall forward but if you have 2KPFs, Maric, BWilliams (who we insist on persisting with as a forward) then one of Harley or Hewett resting there that only leaves one spot for a small forward. Long, Ryan, Brockman and Possibly Champion on the list I just don’t think it’s a great balance and rebounding out of our F50 would be too easy. I think North would rather Zuurhar than another draft pick in the 20s so would match anyway.

Agreed versatility is also a good point. The chance of Baker coming to us is almost zero, I expect him to be a Docker next year and as good as he is he will cost us too much and set the rebuild back even though he’s a great sugar hit in the meantime. If he was a FA absolutely we offer him a band 2 contract.

Maric as the 3rd tall defender is definitely a conversation worth having. If we get Buss though it’s pretty much done and dusted for the time being.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Agreed he’s not a tall forward but if you have 2KPFs, Maric, BWilliams (who we insist on persisting with as a forward) then one of Harley or Hewett resting there that only leaves one spot for a small forward. Long, Ryan, Brockman and Possibly Champion on the list I just don’t think it’s a great balance and rebounding out of our F50 would be too easy. I think North would rather Zuurhar than another draft pick in the 20s so would match anyway.

Agreed versatility is also a good point. The chance of Baker coming to us is almost zero, I expect him to be a Docker next year and as good as he is he will cost us too much and set the rebuild back even though he’s a great sugar hit in the meantime. If he was a FA absolutely we offer him a band 2 contract.

Maric as the 3rd tall defender is definitely a conversation worth having. If we get Buss though it’s pretty much done and dusted for the time being.

Re Baker I can see us getting priority picks at the end of the year with the stipulations we use them on players .

I just don't know if Baker is a need of freos they seem very good a churning out small pressure role players on not much coin .

 

[eaglevision]

Re Baker I can see us getting priority picks at the end of the year with the stipulations we use them on players .

I just don't know if Baker is a need of freos they seem very good a churning out small pressure role players on not much coin .

Priority picks does change the equation a bit, but again I see us going to the dogs with F2, F3 (tied to our picks same as North 2022) for Buss, Garcia and their 3R (tied to GCS).

Baker would play as a small forward with chop outs in their midfield I’d imagine. A versatile replacement for Schultz and to a lesser degree Henry. Freo will also offer a 1R pick in this draft which will be more appealing to Richmond. I also don’t see why Baker would choose us over Freo unless we’re offering $1m+ which would be crazy.

 

[mat11]

Agreed he’s not a tall forward but if you have 2KPFs, Maric, BWilliams (who we insist on persisting with as a forward) then one of Harley or Hewett resting there that only leaves one spot for a small forward. Long, Ryan, Brockman and Possibly Champion on the list I just don’t think it’s a great balance and rebounding out of our F50 would be too easy. I think North would rather Zuurhar than another draft pick in the 20s so would match anyway.

Agreed versatility is also a good point. The chance of Baker coming to us is almost zero, I expect him to be a Docker next year and as good as he is he will cost us too much and set the rebuild back even though he’s a great sugar hit in the meantime. If he was a FA absolutely we offer him a band 2 contract.

Maric as the 3rd tall defender is definitely a conversation worth having. If we get Buss though it’s pretty much done and dusted for the time being.

I think rule a line through b.williams as a forward. Williams and Flynn compete for number1 Ruck spot. That's good competition for both afl and wafl teams. This is assuming jamo continues as a 3rd tall back/backup ruckman. This allows either maric or Waterman to fight out their spot. 3 tall forwards is enough don't need b.Williams in the way down there.


That'd be so disappointing to miss out on Baker, he'd add some class across half back flank or in the midfield. The main issue with our mids is as soon as yeo/Kelly go off for a spell on the bench we get pumped. Adding Bakers experience to the rotation would go a long way. Wonder whether our r2 pic and f2 would be enough for him?

 

[squashface]

Rhino has been reporting that Freo are in the hunt for Baker

 

[Rowan18]

If Simmo had the WB list, he'd probably be a multiple premiership coach.

Bevvo got lucky once and apart from being stomped by Melbourne in 2021, has been turd since.

I view Simmo and Bevo as a bit similar, in that they can come up with a great gameplan to take their team to the top, but are too stubborn to adapt quickly when it becomes obsolete.

The Eagles has finished top 4 only twice under Simmo. Both times we finished second (2015 and 2018) and made the GF.

Bulldogs have never made top 4 but still made two GFs.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Rhino has been reporting that Freo are in the hunt for Baker

Called that back in January based on a source close to the player.

 

[bzparkes]

I view Simmo and Bevo as a bit similar, in that they can come up with a great gameplan to take their team to the top, but are too stubborn to adapt quickly when it becomes obsolete.

The Eagles has finished top 4 only twice under Simmo. Both times we finished second (2015 and 2018) and made the GF.

Bulldogs have never made top 4 but still made two GFs.

I don't even know what Bulldogs plan is, other than playing rugby and conning the umps.

At least WCE had a clear style when they won in '18.

 

[mat11]

He is a big thick boy and it has taken a lot of years to build a tank but now he is finally starting to play that role of a forward who has impact in the middle with his size and aggression.

Be nice to pinch a player another team has put all the effort in to get fit . Especially as a free agent .

Our midfield is getting held together by Yeo 30 and Kelly who turns 30 in 2 months.

We need other options in the middle

I get Cam.McCathy vibes from zurhaar. Baker, perryman would be good gets. I don't mind the Garcia and c.daniel type players thatve been bought up in this thread. I'm expecting ginbey Hewett to take the load off reid/yeo also next year

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Priority picks does change the equation a bit, but again I see us going to the dogs with F2, F3 (tied to our picks same as North 2022) for Buss, Garcia and their 3R (tied to GCS).

Baker would play as a small forward with chop outs in their midfield I’d imagine. A versatile replacement for Schultz and to a lesser degree Henry. Freo will also offer a 1R pick in this draft which will be more appealing to Richmond. I also don’t see why Baker would choose us over Freo unless we’re offering $1m+ which would be crazy.

Garcia is worth nothing . He was drafted in the 4th round (62) and isn't worth any more now .

Baker is the type of player we need . Tough , ball magnet type who can play midfield for a few years before playing small forward or back . He would be the perfect choice rather than speculative pick like garcia who we don't even know would be in the 22 and could be delisted at seasons end .

Maybe garcia as a train on player SSP

 

[briztoon]

Little bit of 91/92 Peter Matera in the way he moves......His ability to slip sideways on a dime.
I know its only 1 game and its only highlights, but I'd prefer to have that sort of player on the list than Jagga

Just on noobermensch videos. They’re not highlights in sense that they only show a players positive actions. Noober’s videos are of every action a player is involved in, in that one particular game. So you see the good, the bad, the warts and all.

 

[eaglevision]

Garcia is worth nothing . He was drafted in the 4th round (62) and isn't worth any more now .

Baker is the type of player we need . Tough , ball magnet type who can play midfield for a few years before playing small forward or back . He would be the perfect choice rather than speculative pick like garcia who we don't even know would be in the 22 and could be delisted at seasons end .

Maybe garcia as a train on player SSP

Being worth nothing is exactly my point, include him in the Buss deal if it happens.

VFL so far this year:
R1 22K 19HB 7M 8T 2G
R2 18K 13HB 7M 6T 1G
R3 13K 23HB 7M 4T 1G

23yo mid, WA boy, out of contract end of this year. Would be delighted to bring him over for almost nothing provided he stays injury free and maintains output this year. I reckon he’ll get a call up this week.

Baker would be great for us I agree, I’m just not prepared to pay what the Tigers will want. The best option for us (and possibly him and Tigers) is IF he signs a one year deal at Richmond and we can get the tigers band 2 compo as a FA next year.

Baker gets his money, Tigers get their 1R pick and we get Baker for no draft cost.

 

[eaglevision]

I think rule a line through b.williams as a forward. Williams and Flynn compete for number1 Ruck spot. That's good competition for both afl and wafl teams. This is assuming jamo continues as a 3rd tall back/backup ruckman. This allows either maric or Waterman to fight out their spot. 3 tall forwards is enough don't need b.Williams in the way down there.


That'd be so disappointing to miss out on Baker, he'd add some class across half back flank or in the midfield. The main issue with our mids is as soon as yeo/Kelly go off for a spell on the bench we get pumped. Adding Bakers experience to the rotation would go a long way. Wonder whether our r2 pic and f2 would be enough for him?

Tigers have plenty of 2-4R picks, they will want a mid 1R for Baker. He’s likely their captain if he stays and is very versatile. They’ll be looking to trade up to 1R with say Blues who will need the points. Even if we traded our 2R and F2 that’s two decent kids we miss out on for a sugar hit who is not exactly going to lead us to our next flag. If we want a mid 1R to trade that would mean splitting our 1R, which there’s no way we should do unless it’s to use on multiple (3) top 20 talents in the draft.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Garcia is worth nothing . He was drafted in the 4th round (62) and isn't worth any more now .

Baker is the type of player we need . Tough , ball magnet type who can play midfield for a few years before playing small forward or back . He would be the perfect choice rather than speculative pick like garcia who we don't even know would be in the 22 and could be delisted at seasons end .

Maybe garcia as a train on player SSP

If you want a Baker type of player on the cheap then Garcia is perfect. We may very well be able to get him for free also.

 

[mat11]

Tigers have plenty of 2-4R picks, they will want a mid 1R for Baker. He’s likely their captain if he stays and is very versatile. They’ll be looking to trade up to 1R with say Blues who will need the points. Even if we traded our 2R and F2 that’s two decent kids we miss out on for a sugar hit who is not exactly going to lead us to our next flag. If we want a mid 1R to trade that would mean splitting our 1R, which there’s no way we should do unless it’s to use on multiple (3) top 20 talents in the draft.

Yep fair enough, if we can turn our first pic (1-3) into say 6 and15 or around those areas I'd be OK with losing our 2nd. Freo wouldn't want to use more than 1 of there firsts (via port?) imo, that'd be an early 20's pic our 2nd wouldn't be that far off it plus our f2. I think Richmond would prefer that the only issue is whether Baker is chasing that next flag at freo or if he wants to go back to his fav childhood club. Alternatively the end of first PP is a no brainer swap for Baker

 

[WCE_phil]

Garcia if he doesn't get on the ground a lot this year will likely be delisted.

 

[eaglevision]

Yep fair enough, if we can turn our first pic (1-3) into say 6 and15 or around those areas I'd be OK with losing our 2nd. Freo wouldn't want to use more than 1 of there firsts (via port?) imo, that'd be an early 20's pic our 2nd wouldn't be that far off it plus our f2. I think Richmond would prefer that the only issue is whether Baker is chasing that next flag at freo or if he wants to go back to his fav childhood club. Alternatively the end of first PP is a no brainer swap for Baker

Way too early but I’d want to turn our 1R into 3 1R picks to use in the draft if we went down that path and I’d much rather Baker go to Freo. We could even incorporate it into a deal. As an example, if we had to do the draft tomorrow there are 5 players I really like and hope that the focus is on the backline and bit of outside run:

T Travaglia
H O’Farrell
L Trainor
N Mraz
T Hotton

WCE OUT: Pick 1, F2
WCE IN: Pick R1 WBD (8), R1 GCS (11) R1 PA (17), GCS end F1 (19)

GCS OUT Pick 8,11,19
GCS IN: Bolton, F2 (WCE)

RICH OUT: Bolton, Baker
RICH IN: Pick 1

FREO OUT: Pick 17
FREO IN: Baker

Essentially we trade pick 1 and F2 for
8-Trainor
11-Travaglia
17-O’Farrell
20-Hotton
21-Mraz (our natural 2R)

Combine that with Hopkins in the MSD and I’m pretty happy with our young backline recruiting and Hotton and Travaglia give us some outside mid/wing options. Trainor could end up an Adam Hunter type, or develop as a KPF if O’Farrell and Mraz make it as KPDs. End of next year we’ll have a better idea of the output of our young mids (especially Hewett) so we’ll have a better idea of which aspect needs addressing. So next year we use our 1R to take a top mid or try and trade for Warner.