List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  26

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[CountryLad]

Like the thought but don’t like the trade. If we trade pick 3 I’d want a similar return to the Sheezel for Ginbey/Hewett trade so 8 and 12. Freo’s F1 could be anything from pick 6 to pick 17. 2R is needed for Buss, I think if we offered less the dogs would send him to the PSD and I don’t want Baker at all, and certainly not for a 1R.

If FOS is available at 3 then we should pick him and find another way to get another mid 1R pick, probably involving our F2, F3 and/or a player.

A good aspect of your deal would be the poetry of trading Sydney our 1R and Freo’s 1R for Chad Warner next year.

Why should we pick FOS at pick 3?

You say it like it’s a lock, to date this year he’s been disappointing. He needs to get going big time in the next month in the state games if he’s going top 3.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

They’ll take Smillie, but they should take a tall. Richmond are likely to get FOS.

This all depends if he plays, still injured and havent been flying - Do Richmond still take him, considering Smith is racking 40 possessions per game?

Its going to be fun watching what happens in the next four months.

 

[eaglevision]

Why should we pick FOS at pick 3?

You say it like it’s a lock, to date this year he’s been disappointing. He needs to get going big time in the next month in the state games if he’s going top 3.

Disappointing? He’s been injured virtually the entire year. His U16 year was excellent, last year was excellent, made the AA U18 as a bottom ager. Who could you possibly have above him other than Smillie and Ashcroft? I say it as an opinion, nothing is a lock until November. I don’t know any pundit media, BF or otherwise that doesn’t have him in the top 3 but I’m all ears if you see it differently.

 

[CountryLad]

Disappointing? He’s been injured virtually the entire year. His U16 year was excellent, last year was excellent, made the AA U18 as a bottom ager. Who could you possibly have above him other than Smillie and Ashcroft? I say it as an opinion, nothing is a lock until November. I don’t know any pundit media, BF or otherwise that doesn’t have him in the top 3 but I’m all ears if you see it differently.

Last year was good I wouldn’t say exceptional. You would want to see some improvement in his game from where he was in 2023. He hasn’t shown any yet.

This year he was injured early as you say but came back lacking conditioning which sets off alarm bells straight away. Struggled in both his Talent game and academy game.

He needs a big finish to the year. Couldn’t care much for big footy rankings especially at this time of the year.

If you read back, your post you stated we should take FOS at pick 3 if available.

* I’ll edit this by saying I said similar things about Duursma and Moir last year. One of those two had a good finish to the year and went pick 4, the other went in the second round.

 

[eaglevision]

Last year was good I wouldn’t say exceptional. You would want to see some improvement in his game from where he was in 2023. He hasn’t shown any yet.

This year he was injured early as you say but came back lacking conditioning which sets off alarm bells straight away. Struggled in both his Talent game and academy game.

He needs a big finish to the year. Couldn’t care much for big footy rankings especially at this time of the year.

If you read back at your post you stated we should take FOS at pick 3 if available.

To be named in the AA U18 team as a bottom ager is a pretty good effort. I agree with you that he (and all potential draftees) needs to show year on year improvement but hasn’t had the opportunity to with unlucky hand injuries.

That’s exactly what I said yes, that’s my opinion and is based on what I have seen to date. If a player shows enough to pass FOS then it will change but I don’t see that happening. Even if he didn’t play for the rest of the year I still think he’d go top 3. Would be interested to know who you’d pick in front of him.

 

[CountryLad]

To be named in the AA U18 team as a bottom ager is a pretty good effort. I agree with you that he (and all potential draftees) needs to show year on year improvement but hasn’t had the opportunity to with unlucky hand injuries.

That’s exactly what I said yes, that’s my opinion and is based on what I have seen to date. If a player shows enough to pass FOS then it will change but I don’t see that happening. Even if he didn’t play for the rest of the year I still think he’d go top 3. Would be interested to know who you’d pick in front of him.

Hand injuries shouldn’t mean you come back badly lacking conditioning. He was blowing like a whale.

 

[eaglevision]

Hand injuries shouldn’t mean you come back badly lacking conditioning. He was blowing like a whale.

I’m pretty comfortable that he will test well at the combine. If he’s still blowing like a whale at that stage then we can revisit this discussion and FWIW I really hope you’re right and he drops to our pick. Hopefully he’s fit enough to show what he can do when VicC come over to play WA.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Shai Bolton's father played for the Dockers , going to Freo I would imagine .

I'm sure all of the success he enjoyed there during his 2 games will sway Shai's decision.

 

[TerryFilk]

Why should we pick FOS at pick 3?

You say it like it’s a lock, to date this year he’s been disappointing. He needs to get going big time in the next month in the state games if he’s going top 3.

Because every attribute our midfield lacks, O’Sullivan has. He’s an elite kick, especially inside 50, he’s great aerially, he’s skilful, can play outside / inside, has an insane tank, runs both ways and has had an incredible junior career. He has played 2-3 games this year and been injured in them, not going to judge him too harshly based on those games.

 

[CountryLad]

Because every attribute our midfield lacks, O’Sullivan has. He’s an elite kick, especially inside 50, he’s great aerially, he’s skilful, can play outside / inside, has an insane tank, runs both ways and has had an incredible junior career. He has played 2-3 games this year and been injured in them, not going to judge him too harshly based on those games.

He’s no lock at pick 3 Terry, he needs to show some 2024 form. When or if he does then yeah some of those attributes you mentioned above will mean he’s a solid prospect.

 

[CountryLad]

I’m pretty comfortable that he will test well at the combine. If he’s still blowing like a whale at that stage then we can revisit this discussion and FWIW I really hope you’re right and he drops to our pick. Hopefully he’s fit enough to show what he can do when VicC come over to play WA.

I hope he does too. I’m not anti FOS I’m just calling it how I see it.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Pick 3 and F1 for Bolton.

GAGF. He's a very good player but not Judd.

We can do better. That would be very close to Warner I would have thought

 

[stallon]

Pick 3 and F1 for Bolton.

Yeah no flipping way, 3 alone for Bolton or no thanks

Even then im not that excited by it

 

[TerryFilk]

He’s no lock at pick 3 Terry, he needs to show some 2024 form. When or if he does then yeah some of those attributes you mentioned above will mean he’s a solid prospect.

I don’t change my opinion on players based on 1-2 games lol. O’Sullivan’s body of work is better than any other kids. Him playing injured for 2 games doesn’t outweigh that.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Pick 3 and F1 for Bolton.

GAGF. He's a very good player but not Judd.

We can do better. That would be very close to Warner I would have thought

Yeah that's crazy talk for a guy who is 26 at the end of the year at this stage of our rebuild. Hes 11 months younger than baker and some are saying a pick in the 20s at this stage is too much for him. The only way I'd entertain it is if we could split pick 3 and gave away the lesser of the 2 picks we get in return, and even then I don't think splitting a top draft pick for a 26 year old is best use of resources, spending those sort of picks we need guys who are going to be around for a decade, eg. Warner.

I doubt Richmond would be happy with a single pick in the teens for him either so not sure how he gets to Perth unless freo want to throw a couple of their first rounders at him which will probably take them out of the equation for players we're more interested in.

 

[Tugga27]

Not even if the Freo F1 gets us Warner next year? Let’s us draft for need this year and get the final piece next year. Would have to be confident he’s coming.

Pretty sure if Warner leaves Sydney, it won't be for us unfortunately.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Pretty sure if Warner leaves Sydney, it won't be for us unfortunately.

What's that based on?

 

[CountryLad]

I don’t change my opinion on players based on 1-2 games lol. O’Sullivan’s body of work is better than any other kids. Him playing injured for 2 games doesn’t outweigh that.

I wouldn’t take a bloke as a top 3 pick based purely on 16’s and underage form. I’ll happily wait till I’ve seen the season out.

 

[maverick001]

Yeah no flipping way, 3 alone for Bolton or no thanks

Even then im not that excited by it

I'm not paying pick 3 for a guy who'll be 26 by the end of this year with our list profile. Bolton's not even a top 15-20 player in comp

I'd be happy with Pick 3 for FOS/draper, wouldn't be distraught to trade down for Moraes + Travaglia if it could be done (seems unlikely though), R2 pick for Buzz, we don't have a R3, then try R4 for K.Smith, although that's pure speculation so most likely it gets taken to the draft or used on Champion

 

[WCEswift]

Really we have no ****in idea what we will do this year in the draft because pieman aint there anymore for the first time in 30 years or whatever

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Really we have no ****in idea what we will do this year in the draft because pieman aint there anymore for the first time in 30 years or whatever

If FOS is available at out pick its a no brainer .
If its jagga at our pick i would be happy to trade down a couple of spots as he is a massive flight risk apparently Pocket a pick and take draiper who is looking in that 4-6 range atm

 

[eaglevision]

If FOS is available at out pick its a no brainer .
If its jagga at our pick i would be happy to trade down a couple of spots as he is a massive flight risk apparently Pocket a pick and take draiper who is looking in that 4-6 range atm

Where’s the Jagga flight risk mail coming from? If FOS is gone, we wanted to slide and you’re the bloke who texted Gossage his Curtin mail:

WCE OUT: Pick 3
WCE IN: Pick 5 (Draper), Curtin

ADEL OUT: Pick 5, Curtin
ADEL IN: Pick 21, F1 (NM)

NM OUT: Pick 21, F1 (NM)
NM IN: Pick 3

Gives Norf pick 1 and 3 in this draft to take Smillie and Trainor who they will be desperate for.

Gives Crows most likely Pick 1 next year and therefore Dyson Sharp and a pick to use on Phoenix Hargrave this year.

The trade would forever be known as the Curtin Draper trade.

 

[squashface]

Where’s the Jagga flight risk mail coming from? If FOS is gone, we wanted to slide and you’re the bloke who texted Gossage his Curtin mail:

WCE OUT: Pick 3
WCE IN: Pick 5 (Draper), Curtin

ADEL OUT: Pick 5, Curtin
ADEL IN: Pick 21, F1 (NM)

NM OUT: Pick 21, F1 (NM)
NM IN: Pick 3

Gives Norf pick 1 and 3 in this draft to take Smillie and Trainor who they will be desperate for.

Gives Crows most likely Pick 1 next year and therefore Dyson Sharp and a pick to use on Phoenix Hargrave this year.

The trade would forever be known as the Curtin Draper trade.

No way are Adelaide giving up the opportunity to draft SA local in Draper AND giving up their first round pick from last year who has been on the list for 5 minutes for a pick in the 20s and a future pick.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Where’s the Jagga flight risk mail coming from? If FOS is gone, we wanted to slide and you’re the bloke who texted Gossage his Curtin mail:

WCE OUT: Pick 3
WCE IN: Pick 5 (Draper), Curtin

ADEL OUT: Pick 5, Curtin
ADEL IN: Pick 21, F1 (NM)

NM OUT: Pick 21, F1 (NM)
NM IN: Pick 3

Gives Norf pick 1 and 3 in this draft to take Smillie and Trainor who they will be desperate for.

Gives Crows most likely Pick 1 next year and therefore Dyson Sharp and a pick to use on Phoenix Hargrave this year.

The trade would forever be known as the Curtin Draper trade.

This makes no sense for anyone except West Coast.

Why are Adelaide giving up Curtin and a chance to get Draper for a future pick?

Why are North doing that deal. Feels like overs for pick 3 given they haven’t won a game this year. Pick 3+21 isn’t worth F1 likely to be pick 1.

 

[eaglevision]

No way are Adelaide giving up the opportunity to draft SA local in Draper AND giving up their first round pick from last year who has been on the list for 5 minutes for a pick in the 20s and a future pick.

You are probably right, it just depends on how much risk the Crows would be prepared to take on and how highly they rate Sharp. He is very, very good. Another way to look at it is potentially trading pick 8 and pick 5 (which will likely become pick 7) for pick 1 and 21 who would also likely both be SA boys. In saying that, it’s hard to put a value on delaying a pick by 12 months.