List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Jukes]

Who will compliment the future midfield (Reid, Hewett, Ginbey) best in order?

Draper
FOS
Smilie; or
Smith?

Whoever is most similar in style to Josh Kelly would be best (I don’t know who myself). We need an accumulator with elite skills.

 

[TerryFilk]

I still think O’Sullivan is the best fit for us, really hope he can string some games together.

I like Moraes a lot too.

 

[Rowan18]

Lose?

Don't see us winning more than 3 games for the rest of the year. Richmond are definitely better.

No they aren't. We beat them and their percentage is a fair bit worse than ours. We'll finish above them.

 

[bzparkes]

No they aren't. We beat them and their percentage is a fair bit worse than ours. We'll finish above them.

Highly doubtful. They also are the only team to have beaten Sydney and just stomped a team we lost to by 100 points. They are definitely better, especially with their very limited travel regime.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Who will compliment the future midfield (Reid, Hewett, Ginbey) best in order?

Draper
FOS
Smilie; or
Smith?

Moraes?

 

[Rowan18]

Watching Liam Baker the other night - i think he would provide an excellent chop out in the midfleld
Disposal is tidy, he can kick a goal, and is actually not bad as an inside mid either.
Many have him pigeon-holed as a HBF but he can def rotate through the midfield.

Would pay a second rounder or late first rounder for him.

Where do we get the currency though? We want to draft another elite mid, so we have to put someone up for trade...

Bloke isn't even 180cm tall, he's not going to do much as an inside mid. He is a Duggan clone, hard at it and can do a stint on ball, bit his kicking is bog average. Could help for depth but I'd rather use our R2 to trade for something better (Busslinger).

 

[Rowan18]

Highly doubtful. They also are the only team to have beaten Sydney and just stomped a team we lost to by 100 points. They are definitely better, especially with their very limited travel regime.

Melbourne and Freo pumped them by 40 and 50 points, both teams that we beat comfortably.

We're going around in circles here so I'll leave it be, but the ladder at the end of rnd 23 will give us the answer. Right now, it's showing us as clearly the better team.

 

[mattyc75]

Of course, but Williams isn't talked about as a potential starting ruck, even here. He's a reserve ruck in case of injury, or plays as a ruck forward if there's an injury up forward.

There's been plenty of other posters here discuss other young, developing rucks on other teams lists as a potential trade target for West Coast. Think it was Nick Bryan from Essendon that was being discussed recently here. Then it was Conway or Edwards at Geelong being discussed, then Knobel at Freo.

The fact that so many posters here are discussing developing rucks at other clubs, clearly signals that Williams isn't rated here, and as such really doesn't hold much trade value.

Similar to Kalin Lane at the Lions. He's shown a fair bit this year at VFL level, but he's fourth in line at the club, out of contract this year, and we have a list squeeze coming this year, so he's a likely delisting candidate.

BTW, we're already talking about trading both Dev and Tunstill back to WA this trade period on our board.

I daresay no one here is keen on dev now,maybe asap delisted free agent when his contract is up.
I haven't seen any of tunstill so can't comment
Yeah no one (in their right mind) thinks BWilliams would be worth too much but using an old Grundy who was the victim of terrible salary cap management and then very very odd list management as an example was odd

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[mattyc75]

Bloke isn't even 180cm tall, he's not going to do much as an inside mid. He is a Duggan clone, hard at it and can do a stint on ball, bit his kicking is bog average. Could help for depth but I'd rather use our R2 to trade for something better (Busslinger).

Why is 180cm the benchmark , lots of great footballers under that.
And he's a lot better than duggan

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[stylish]

Would we be keen to package Harry Barnett or BW with our top pick (2) for Adelaide’s pick (5-6) and Curtin?
They may laugh at us but can only ask..curtin’s value has dropped somewhat to pick 10-15

We have Archer Reid in the wings who is promising as well as JWill and already have two starting rucks.

Adelaide need a ruckman.

Curtin addresses the need for another third tall / kpd

Obviously Curtin can play, but I'm not sure WC are that deficient in options for a 3rd tall down back that requires the level of trading as you have suggested.

Bazzo should be available next year and if the talk about Busslinger is true then that's another option. For me I'd like to see Maric trialled off half back. Great pair of hands, reads the ball extremely well and is close to the best kick in the team. I also wonder whether with Allen, Darling and Waterman in the team, he might struggle to get a game if he doesn't look at alternative spots.

WC seem to collect talls like flowers and I agree there seems to be a surfeit of them. I think a better strategy if 1 or more were to be shopped around, would be to target picks especially if they could package up 2nd rounders this and next year to perhaps end up with 3 picks in the top 18 even if it means dropping a few spots with their current 1st round pick.

 

[plays tall 1]

Obviously Curtin can play, but I'm not sure WC are that deficient in options for a 3rd tall down back that requires the level of trading as you have suggested.

Bazzo should be available next year and if the talk about Busslinger is true then that's another option. For me I'd like to see Maric trialled off half back. Great pair of hands, reads the ball extremely well and is close to the best kick in the team. I also wonder whether with Allen, Darling and Waterman in the team, he might struggle to get a game if he doesn't look at alternative spots.

WC seem to collect talls like flowers and I agree there seems to be a surfeit of them. I think a better strategy if 1 or more were to be shopped around, would be to target picks especially if they could package up 2nd rounders this and next year to perhaps end up with 3 picks in the top 18 even if it means dropping a few spots with their current 1st round pick.

We seem to have a surplus of ruck/forwards (the Williamses, Livingston and Reid), and young rucks that struggle to compete in the WAFL against modest, undersized opponents (Barnett and Jamieson). It presents a list management issue for Clarke: 6 list spots spent on guys that are still projects with questionable prospects.

In future, when looking for rucks, I hope we focus on pure rucks who have both the size and aggression to compete.

 

[stylish]

We seem to have a surplus of ruck/forwards (the Williamses, Livingston and Reid), and young rucks that struggle to compete in the WAFL against modest, undersized opponents (Barnett and Jamieson). It presents a list management issue for Clarke: 6 list spots spent on guys that are still projects with questionable prospects.

In future, when looking for rucks, I hope we focus on pure rucks who have both the size and aggression to compete.

Well obviously they brought in Flynn to be the main man. Was at the game yesterday and thought he was beaten comprehensively by Xerri in the 1st half but was instrumental in their surge in the last qtr. Whether that was him getting into the game or Xerri tiring I'm not sure.

I think all young talls are "questionable" as you suggest in their first 3-4 years apart from the odd few so no real surprise there.

I imagine the list management strategy is to draft players to fill an A and a B team in positions with a few utilities and speculative boys left over. Can't imagine WC are any different to other teams with unproven talls TBH.

 

[dkalphy]

So it looks like a good year to have a top 3 pick???

 

[maverick001]

Jagga was the high possession winner in the game and one of Metro's best performed on the day. He did his best work early when the weather was a mess. Other players were slipping and sliding around, fumbling the footy, but Jagga was clean as a whistle and helped Metro dominate through the midfield.

I've been a bit negative on him based on previous vids but can see from this one he clearly has good hands. And we know he finds a tonne of the pill. If I'm being glass half full, I can see a Lachie Neale type player. And perhaps Serong. Both guys who are pretty small. Jagga would be taller than both. Serong has filled out well though.

Biggest worry with Jagga is his disposal. Although that looked a little better this game than in some others

 

[Elite Pete]

Well go back the year before. Grundy with Collingwood paying $300k of his salary went for pick 27.

If you're not an established or capable first choice ruck, teams don't pay high'ish picks for such players.

Once again circumstance around that. Pies wanted and needed him off the books.

 

[ghostbat12]

Well go back the year before. Grundy with Collingwood paying $300k of his salary went for pick 27.

If you're not an established or capable first choice ruck, teams don't pay high'ish picks for such players.

We should then offer future third for Mcinerney and be done with this ruck problem.

That should be acceptable according to above. And get Brisbane to pay 1/3rd of his salary.

I am surprised why Brisbane hasn’t offloaded him yet given rucks are not that valuable.

 

[ghostbat12]

Of course, but Williams isn't talked about as a potential starting ruck, even here. He's a reserve ruck in case of injury, or plays as a ruck forward if there's an injury up forward.

There's been plenty of other posters here discuss other young, developing rucks on other teams lists as a potential trade target for West Coast. Think it was Nick Bryan from Essendon that was being discussed recently here. Then it was Conway or Edwards at Geelong being discussed, then Knobel at Freo.

The fact that so many posters here are discussing developing rucks at other clubs, clearly signals that Williams isn't rated here, and as such really doesn't hold much trade value.

Similar to Kalin Lane at the Lions. He's shown a fair bit this year at VFL level, but he's fourth in line at the club, out of contract this year, and we have a list squeeze coming this year, so he's a likely delisting candidate.

BTW, we're already talking about trading both Dev and Tunstill back to WA this trade period on our board.

There are not many instances where a situation is completely misread as much as dev has on his situation at Brisbane.

Even coach was surprised he signed….

 

[southcoast]

Not too bothered this year. If we take a Finn O’Sullivan great. If we get a solid midfielder and travaglia great.

I wouldnt care if we bid on Lombard at 2 just to keep Gold Coast honest.

Our team is so desperate for base level footballers who can actually run out an afl game well improve unless we completely whiff.

Would like a bit more currency in the 2-3 round but not sure where that comes from.

And Ashcroft to keep Lions honest?


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[CountryLad]

And why would we give up pick 2 for him? Was a terrible idea last year and is even worse now, we need to pick another elite mid at 2

Agree if it’s Smillie currently. He’s the only one worthy of a top 5 pick atm. Has been consistent this year after a solid underage year. Consistently ranks up the numbers, is clean in the contest, makes good decisions, good penetration with his kick and has AFL size. Has pushed forward at times of late and is hitting the scoreboard from long range.

Questions remain on FOS for me, we need to see something this year to go top 5. It’s very dangerous picking players purely on 16’s and underage form. He has time though as it’s only June.

Draper looks a handy proposition but currently I struggle to see a top 5 pick in him. I think he would struggle to go top 5 in any of the recent drafts. Edit: maybe I’m being a bit tough here having reviewed this post.

Same for Jagga. Jagga gathers large number but just doesn’t have the game to hurt. I‘d hate to spend a top 5 pick on a player that gets 30 disposals but gains 50m for the team (Crouch). There are questions over his size, speed and where he would fit at AFL. Big no for a top 5 pick.

Moraes is an interesting one where he’s dominant at talent league but has been squeezed out of the midfield at academy and state level. I had him rising as a potential top 5 prospect early in the season but he has dropped off a little of late. To me he has more AFL traits than Jagga. Moraes is the same as Draper in the sense that I don’t think he would go top 5 in recent drafts but is a solid first round prospect.

Lombard and Ashcroft have the games to go top 5 but as we all know aren’t available unfortunately…….

So the question is if Smillie is off the board and even if FOS has a solid finish and we hold pick 3 where’s this gun midfielder coming from?

These are only personal thoughts I know many won’t agree.

I think it’s just as likely the gun midfielder from this draft comes from the second tier as lots of them have as many or in some cases more AFL traits than the above players, they just don’t quite rack it up as much at 18s level.

Think of Zac Johnson, Sam Lalor, Murphy Reid, Sam Marshall(academy), Bo Allan, Cooper Hynes, Cody Anderson and Taj Hotton (ACL*).

 

[Phas]

Some of Bo Allen's colts highlights give me shades of Elliott Yeo. Seems to play with some of that angry burst energy that takes Yeo from okay to elite.

 

[Convocation]

On Scotty and Goss on SEN this morning, the producer came on at one point and said they have heard from an extremely reliable source that Matt Guelfi

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Matt Guelfi

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3.2

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2.9

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0.2

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10.5

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5.0

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5.5

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2.5

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1.5

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0.0

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will be in Eagles colours next year. Apparently wants to come home. Out of contract at the end of this year.
Not sure what he adds to the team, other then right age 26, 27 in August.

 

[ronpingwins]

On Scotty and Goss on SEN this morning, the producer came on at one point and said they have heard from an extremely reliable source that Matt Guelfi will be in Eagles colours next year. Apparently wants to come home. Out of contract at the end of this year.
Not sure what he adds to the team, other then right age 26, 27 in August.

Welcome to West Coast Zac Langdon

 

[LewyBroome]

Interesting proposition at Colts level. Jack Wooden, son of Josh, has had some BOG performances for West Perth recently. Not quite a father/son as Josh played 96 games. Is there a mechanism for West Coast to go to the AFL for circumstances relating to Father/son situations like this?

 

[ronpingwins]

Agree that the gun mid we’re looking for in the top 5 isn’t there atm. Preference at this stage is see if we can trade back and get Travaglia and Moraes/Langford/M Reid/JoJo Siwa

 

[Lazzas]

I thought Smillie was outstanding in the Vic Metro V Allies game. Solid inside, around the ground and is a great kick at goal.