List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[RanaNaved]

Says who exactly?

This draft has some hype around it but no one actually will know for a few years how good it is.

I’ve seen nothing written about how next years draft crop is a poorly rated group.

There are some concerns that the draft might be quite compromised due to academy and F/S selections but certainly from what I’ve seen of the underage talent this year there isn’t a lack of quality.

Yeah I liked a lot of the guys in the future's match who are not already linked to a club. Looked to be plenty of talent imo

 

[Doashuey]

Clubs don't want 2025 picks because it's so heavily compromised. Not because its weaker than this draft.

I know. I made no comment on the quality of next years draft?
I said that this years draft is difficult to get into. Most of that stems from the glut of FS and academy picks next year which will make the first round push into the late twenties, if not thirties. Future picks are devalued due to that.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Fair enough. But I like the kid and think he is a perfect age and fit for our rebuild .

So do I pal, if there's no Dev I'd be knocking straight on Carlton's window about Jack Carroll.

Hell, even with Dev and Graham it's still worth asking. If the bloke gets delisted it's also a no brainer to look into adding him for cheap.

 

[eaglevision]

Barrass plus Petruccelle

For 14, Ashton Moir and Carroll.

GET IT DONE

Looks ok in theory but no, 14 ends up going to Richmond for Baker, thus defeating the reprieve that Hawthorn have kindly given us.

If Witho is truly a clubman, he should demand he is traded to the team he always wanted to play for, the Gold Coast Suns. Witho and Hawks 2x future firsts go to the Suns, Barrass goes to Hawthorn and pick 6 comes to us.

Suns have their HBF all sorted and no longer need Rioli. We take FOS and Travaglia and no one gives a shit what happens for the rest of the draft. Barrass wins a flag with the hawks next year.

 

[Doashuey]

I think they will target Essendon 9. If Hawks get 6 then 6 and 33 for Barrass and 26 I’d do.

Then **** Baker off to Freo

FOS, Travaglia, best KPD, Johnson, Champion.

Randy Marsh areas.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Looks ok in theory but no, 14 ends up going to Richmond for Baker, thus defeating the reprieve that Hawthorn have kindly given us.

If Witho is truly a clubman, he should demand he is traded to the team he always wanted to play for, the Gold Coast Suns. Witho and the two future picks Hawthorn acquired go to the Suns, Barrass goes to Hawthorn and pick 6 comes to us.

Suns have their HBF all sorted and no longer need Rioli. We take FOS and Travaglia and no one gives a shit what happens for the rest of the draft. Barrass wins a flag with the hawks next year.

I mean I get it, but imo any deal reliant on Witho holding any value whatsoever is a bit of a stretch

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Hawks wanted Barrass and F2 for 14 and F1
We wanted 2 F1st

Now

Hawks got a F1 and 2nd for 14

Meaning

Hawks give both Hawks and blues F1 for Barrass

Hawks still get barrass and the F2 they initially wanted in the trade.


We then auction off our F1 for dees pick 5 and F2

2024
3 5 23 28 champion.

Walk baker to PSD...**** em
F3 for dev

2025
Hawks and blues F1 dees F2 our F2


I'm applying for list manager next time it comes up

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[TerryFilk]

Hawks wanted Barrass and F2 for 14 and F1
We wanted 2 F1st

Now

Hawks got a F1 and 2nd for 14

Meaning

Hawks give both Hawks and blues F1 for Barrass

Hawks still get barrass and the F2 they initially wanted in the trade.


We then auction off our F1 for dees pick 5 and F2

2024
3 5 23 28 champion.

Walk baker to PSD...**** em
F3 for dev

2025
Hawks and blues F1 dees F2 our F2


I'm applying for list manager next time it comes up

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Dees are trading into this draft, not out of it.

Saints or Essendon would maybe take our F1.

 

[The Gtrain]

Soo... the state of play at the end of the first week of trade week period

Nothing happened.

Apparently Hawks, are ruthless and wait for no one, they are the way of the future. A+

 

[Doashuey]

Look - I know I may be guilty of trying to embed new sayings into the vernacular with regards to the spinning of men’s hats and such….

But you can’t take two existing sayings and just mash them together. It’s rough end of the stick and come the raw prawn. You’ve sucked the meaning out of both there. This has outraged me more than anything else so far this trade period!

Look at you getting all high and mighty on your horse. Those that live in glass houses shouldn't call kettles black mate.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Someone mentioned earlier how farfetched it is that a club redraft a player after they walk to the PSD.

That flog Jack Martin

19

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

walked his ass there when Carlton refused to pony up a good offer so Fold Coast got nothing.... And then Fold Coast passed on him in the PSD and let him go with Carlton still having a later selection

More recent was Hately waking to the PSD after Adelaide wouldn't come to the party with a suitable pick for GWS


So in the event the Baker thing doesn't happen, I'd say we should be more worried about North at pick 2 than Richmond selecting him again.

Im sure there's ways around it, with Baker nominating WA and setting his salary or whatever else.

Unlikely to happen IMO, you'd think at the very very worst case, if it looks like it won't happen we'd pony up pick 26 at the death and it gets done.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Look at you getting all high and mighty on your horse. Those that live in glass houses shouldn't call kettles black mate.

Oh my, I kind of wish now I hadn’t opened this can of slugs

 

[TY24]

Oh my, I kind of wish now I hadn’t opened this can of slugs

You're just manufacturing crap as you proceed now

 

[footy_basis]

Hopefully this all saves us from baker. Baker can go to Fremantle if he's so concerned about Richmond's draft hand. L

 

[Doashuey]

Oh my, I kind of wish now I hadn’t opened this can of slugs

You made your bed, now you need a good lay down and a bex.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Oh my, I kind of wish now I hadn’t opened this can of slugs

Oh well, live by the sword / die by the pen.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

You're just manufacturing crap as you proceed now

Mate, what goes around comes back in a pretty similar way

 

[FKASC]

You made your bed, now you need a good lay down and a bex.

Sounds like elite bed wetting to me

 

[mat11]

Carlton can't afford to pay Matt Owies

Yeah but we can pay his first 3 years if the picks are 12 and 14

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[ThePuma #9]

I doubt Baker is going to Dockers.

Imagine convincing your best mate to relocate clubs across the other side of the country so you can still play together to only change your mind after your mate has signed and play for the other team.

I’m sure Jack would understand.

 

[Astro7]

probably already posted...

 

[donpyke92]

Look at you getting all high and mighty on your horse. Those that live in glass houses shouldn't call kettles black mate.

Many ways to skin a hat.
Pots and kettles have been helpful to save the bed from getting wet, though.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Many ways to skin a hat.
Pots and kettles have been helpful to save the bed from getting wet, though.

Coach’s award for this one

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Dropped in to see how the folks are coping and my initial assessment is that we know SFA but most will be watching what Carlton do with Pick 14 (although truth be told, I expect we were not going to take pick 3 or pick 14 to the draft).

Hawks have certainly muddied the waters and Tom may or may not be a Hawk in 2025. I believe not swapping Tom for Baker will be a win. Welcoming back TB37 to MRP is a pretty good outcome.

What we do know is that we have taken a firm stance on valuation and will not be undersold. Great news. Listen up for all those who claim we are weak negotiators, I think Clarke has been busy albeit not beating his chest or claiming feathers for his cap.

Personally, I have no idea what will happen next. Funny how journalists who have never been list managers, never been player agents and most have never played at the top level, yet they seem to have moved from being reporters to having a view or opinion that actual matters.

Do yourself a favour and stay off trade radio. If you really really want to listen to a few ar$eholes discussing matters, invite your friends over, serve up the baked beans on toast followed by masses of dried apricots and wait 60 minutes and enjoy the James Brayshaw farts competition. It will make about the same sense.

To be fair, I am excluding Gettable from that as Cal and Riley seem less interested in spouting what they think will happen and more of what they have been told from recruiters and agents.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Suspect hawks may have felt battle might not have been a done deal and was a chance to stay and therefore made a big bid for Barrass with few other options.

Battle flipped and now they see the need not as a great and as a result don’t want to part with the currency they would have if they didn’t get battle.