List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Keys]

Barrett's take on it is probably dumber than Ralph's

Why am I listening

When Barrett is done fellating Hawthorn he’ll have RSI in the jaw

We refused the trade because Hawthorn didn’t pony up for a player that actively and openly pursued

The question shouldn’t be why we supposedly played hardball but why Hawthorn who could’ve sealed the deal with 14 and their F2, spat the dummy because we wouldn’t give them our F3 (a pick that’ll be in the low to mid 40’s in all likelihood)

Now the trade of 14 for Carlton’s F1 and F2 is a good one for them and could possibly land them in a better position overall. That remains to be seen however

It might also have cost them Barrass and earn them a reputation among player managers that they don’t follow through on their promises to land a trade target

Pick 14 and their F2 was a fair trade. Arguably unders

maher on sen blaming us for failing to come to the party on the barrass trade

Another moron

It’s Hawthorn who need to come to the party as they’re the ones chasing a contracted player

The same way Fremantle and Gold Coast are being told to in their respective pursuits of Bolton and Rioli

 

[Barrybran]

Apologies if this has been mentioned but I was thinking through how things could play out. Carlton can now make a move for Houston with 12 + 14. Trading out their F1 + F2 means they would likely ask for Port's F2 in return.

With 12 + 14, Port likely trades one to Gold Coast for Lukosius, leaving them with a juicy hand of 6, 12, 13, 23, 29 + 41. They will likely want to move 6, 12 + 13 on for points and future picks.

Hawthorn won't be able to get 14 back so this relies on 12 getting to Gold Coast:

HAW
OUT: 33, F1 (HAW), F1 (CAR), F2 (HAW/CAR)
IN: 12, 13, 29, 41

The rejected Barrass deal appears to have been Barrass + F3 for 14 + F2. Hawthorn's F2 was reported to be the sticking point but the deal is valued around pick 10. I would say it is unlikely that Hawthorn would give us 12 AND 13 so we could possibly look at a deal like 13 + 29 for Barrass + F3. Not brilliant but better than 14 + F2 and closer to the original value before compensation picks kicked in.

 

[3agles87]

Oh my, I kind of wish now I hadn’t opened this can of slugs

After a bit of afternoon excitement, good to see we are back to normal programming. Arguing over pointless crap. I feel you have got the rough end of the stick, now you have to lie in the raw prawn you have made. And you can eat the spinning man’s hat as well.

 

[wirra44]

I doubt Baker is going to Dockers.

Imagine convincing your best mate to relocate clubs across the other side of the country so you can still play together to only change your mind after your mate has signed and play for the other team.

I’m sure Jack would understand.

Too be fair tho going off his speech at the Richmond b&f he doesn’t sound like the sharpest tool in the shed

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Someone mentioned earlier how farfetched it is that a club redraft a player after they walk to the PSD.

That flog Jack Martin walked his ass there when Carlton refused to pony up a good offer so Fold Coast got nothing.... And then Fold Coast passed on him in the PSD and let him go with Carlton still having a later selection

More recent was Hately waking to the PSD after Adelaide wouldn't come to the party with a suitable pick for GWS


So in the event the Baker thing doesn't happen, I'd say we should be more worried about North at pick 2 than Richmond selecting him again.

Im sure there's ways around it, with Baker nominating WA and setting his salary or whatever else.

Unlikely to happen IMO, you'd think at the very very worst case, if it looks like it won't happen we'd pony up pick 26 at the death and it gets done.

If all this crap about him needing Richmond to be well compensated is true, sounds to me like the PSD won't be an option.
Who's ever heard of a player trying to make it difficult for the team he's nominated to recruit him (if true)?
Don't remember TB ever saying that he wants us to get maximum return for him, he just wants to get to the club that is offering him the best contract (seemingly free agency style).

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

My view (fwiw) is that most the trades are already done somewhat…AFL releasing info strategically (conveniently on Friday) to get the fans talking and build the drama for an “epic next week”

Will hold till I see what transpires…

Bit of tin foil hat there

It would be impossible keeping it from the media

 

[DorothyG]

Gees I hate trading future 1st round picks. I hope it all works out for the Blues next year, but what if they have a year from hell and end up in the bottom rungs of the ladder

Also, Hawkers drinking a bit of their own bathwater, getting a little ahead of them selves, thinking the rebuild is done (current first pick at #33)? It's not like we have ever seen a young up and coming team over achieve in a season, and then the next the regress back to somewhere closer to where the fit in (Melb 18/19, Freo 22/23).

 

[mattyc75]

I really hope there's still a deal for barrass out of all of this! We need more than 1 pick in the top 23 to help our rebuild.
But did anyone else think that the hawks were maybe overcapitalising on KPDs with battle too?


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[ronpingwins]

Carlton offered us 12 and their F1/F2 before the hawks deal according to Twomey (for 3)

 

[Keys]

The now defunct trade scenario that had been discussed was :

Barrass for 14,F2
14 for Baker,24
3 for 6,18

Leaving us with 6,18,24 and Hawthorn’s F2 for pick 3 with Baker coming in for Barrass

The question is, does replacing 14 with Carlton’s (or Hawthorn’s) F1 materially change that?

Probably depends on Richmond being happy with a F1 opposed to 14

Hawthorn, for their part, are happy because they pocket Carlton’s F2 as a bonus

What had been proposed potentially still holds

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Carlton offered us 12 and their F1/F2 before the hawks deal according to Twomey (for 3)

Which one is it? Big difference between F1 and F2. We would be stupid to have turned down 12 and F1

 

[eaglevision]

Carlton offered us 12 and their F1/F2 before the hawks deal according to Twomey (for 3)

“The Blues will stay open to shifting even higher up the draft board, having also thrown up a deal for West Coast's pick No.3, involving their pick 12, future first and future second-round picks before they sent those picks to Hawthorn.“

So essentially we turned down 12 and 14 for 3. Also indicates that Carlton aren’t set on a particular player at 12, which I thought they were.

I like it.

 

[random260]

I really hope there's still a deal for barrass out of all of this! We need more than 1 pick in the top 23 to help our rebuild.
But did anyone else think that the hawks were maybe overcapitalising on KPDs with battle too?


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I was hoping for a deal but it's pointless because it's going straight swap for bake r

 

[Byron_Clanger]

As admirable as Baker is for wanting 'fair and adequate compo' for Richmond, he forgets that West Coast are in the exact same position as Richmond and we're not gonna gut ourselves to acquire his services

 

[Hollow Knight]

Poor poor Baker wanted to help tuggas one last time.



You will come to us for pick 23.

Listen here you either **** over tuggas or you can gtfo from wce

Sorry to show up uninvited, but this is a classic case of Jon Ralph being a useful idiot for Richmond at trade time. Ignore him.

Utter flog.

 

[stallon]

The rejected Barrass deal appears to have been Barrass + F3 for 14 + F2. Hawthorn's F2 was reported to be the sticking point but the deal is valued around pick 10.

They offered roughly pick 13 value for Barrass.
14 and essentially a mid to late 40s pick

 

[The Gtrain]

“The Blues will stay open to shifting even higher up the draft board, having also thrown up a deal for West Coast's pick No.3, involving their pick 12, future first and future second-round picks before they sent those picks to Hawthorn.“

So essentially we turned down 12 and 14 for 3. Also indicates that Carlton aren’t set on a particular player at 12, which I thought they were.

I like it.

12,14,33 for 3

 

[DorothyG]

Haha melts of the year going to Ralphy and Tom Morris, don't hold back lads

 

[stallon]

12,14,33 for 3

Need a top 10 pick as a minimum

 

[Mattman93]

“The Blues will stay open to shifting even higher up the draft board, having also thrown up a deal for West Coast's pick No.3, involving their pick 12, future first and future second-round picks before they sent those picks to Hawthorn.“

So essentially we turned down 12 and 14 for 3. Also indicates that Carlton aren’t set on a particular player at 12, which I thought they were.

I like it.

Might not have been the proposal in its entirety though.

 

[WA footy mad]

Hooray good news at last no pick 14 no baker, we can offer a pick in to 20 that's all he is worth

 

[Hook461123]

Eagles
Out Barrass, 3
In 6,10, Baker

Hawks
Out F1, CF1
In Barrass

CGS
Out 6. 13
In HWF1, CF1, Rioli

Freo
Out: 10,18
In Bolton

Richmond
Out Bolton, Baker. Rioli
In 3, 13, 18

 

[eaglevision]

The now defunct trade scenario that had been discussed was :

Barrass for 14,F2
14 for Baker,24
3 for 6,18

Leaving us with 6,18,24 and Hawthorn’s F2 for pick 3 with Baker coming in for Barrass

The question is, does replacing 14 with Carlton’s (or Hawthorn’s) F1 materially change that?

Probably depends on Richmond being happy with a F1 opposed to 14

Hawthorn, for their part, are happy because they pocket Carlton’s F2 as a bonus

What had been proposed potentially still holds

Big watch on Hawks coming for pick 9 from Essendon with a view to on trade to us. If this occurs let’s hope we don’t do something stupid with Richmond and Baker.

 

[WA footy mad]

Eagles
Out Barrass, 3
In 6,10, Baker

Hawks
Out F1, CF1
In Barrass

CGS
Out 6. 13
In HWF1, CF1, Rioli

Freo
Out: 10,18
In Bolton

Richmond
Out Bolton, Baker. Rioli
In 3, 13, 18

You cant be serious

 

[donpyke92]

Coach’s award for this one

Until Duggo pinches it