List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

My offseason please rate it on possibility and your opinion on it.
Barrass for picks 12, 30 and f2.
Hawks f2 for baker
Jack darling for pick 40
Draft
3 Sid the kid Draper
12 Tobie Travaligia
23 Xavier Lindsay
30 Noah Mraz
40 Kale Geeryn
59 Hamish Davis (pick will move up due to pick forfeiting)
Bid on champion.

Maybe swap Davis with Gerryn, at pick 40 Davis is a steal.
Then take Artemis instead of Gerryn.

 

[eaglevision]

12 + f1 on kozzie

Unless you count Leigh Matthews there is no small forward in the history of football that I’d do this trade for.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

12 + f1 on kozzie

Hell no

That’s more than likely pick 3 and 12 for a forward pocket with 5 min bursts in the midfield

That’s a ridiculous offer

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Whether it's true or not, I don't like seeing the back of players like Barrass and Darling in this manner. These guys are club legends & premiership players, in a perfect world it'd be nice to have better control over our list that these guys could retire at the Eagles with the respect that they deserve.

I understand we're in this position due to an enforced down cycle, and we could possibly be in a better spot if our list was managed better, and that lastly we need to capitalise on their value for the sake of our future - and it's not like they're getting nothing out of these moves, but it still saddens me nonetheless.

Oh well, f*ck it. Gotta evolve I guess.

See I see it differently. I feel we should've traded a couple of our stars when they had huge currency at the end of 2021 when the cracks opened up wide. This is what clubs need to start learning to do sooner than the rot setting in.

Think about what trade value the following had in 21. All of these would've been minimum a first rounder.

Darling
Gaff
Yeo
Barrass
Nicnat
Sheed
JK

We might have had to only trade 2 of those and that would've netted us a few high end picka, equalising the picks we lost for TK.

Those picks would now be at the end of their 3rd year, and we might not have traded down to get Chess

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[eaglevision]

Jagga and Gross on now via CTL app for anyone interested. Gross might be there at pick 23 but probably goes between Barrass pick and there.

 

[Sammy J]

I’m hoping FOS gets to us at 3. Richmond could go Jagga, North could trade back with Adelaide to get Trainor, Crows take Draper, Eagles get FOS.

 

[Barrybran]

Hell no

That’s more than likely pick 3 and 12 for a forward pocket with 5 min bursts in the midfield

That’s a ridiculous offer

Hawthorn's F1, not ours

 

[Keys]

It’s very early days but where might a bid for Champion come?

Our current pick 59 has enough points to cover a bid from 45 onwards which seems like it would be around the mark

Makes pick 40 quite useful for us and worth chipping in a bit of Darlings salary if it means securing 40 instead of 58. Even if we pay $300k for next year, it’s $500k coming off our books assuming JD is on $800k as reported

 

[Barrybran]

I don't see why North would need us to pay Darling's salary. They have a pretty young list as well.

 

[Obeanie1]

One interesting rumour is that the Tigers are keen to land FOS and Jagga.

How do they do that?

Tigers with Rioli and Bolton trades may end up with 1st round picks 1, 6, 9, 10 and 17,.

Would they offer 6 plus 9 for 3? A few shuffles of later picks.

We get Hawks first at 12ish.

6, 9 and 12 are our fist rounders.

Lalor
Travaglia
Lindsay

All will end up playing midfield minutes but can also play on the flanks.

We need quanity and quality.

 

[eaglevision]

I’m hoping FOS gets to us at 3. Richmond could go Jagga, North could trade back with Adelaide to get Trainor, Crows take Draper, Eagles get FOS.

As it stands I think this is the most likely outcome.

 

[chaddy22]

For those who feel sorry that we will lose two premiership players "DONT".
As much as i wouldn't mind keeping Barrass not for extra two years.
He will get a pay rise and importantly a extra year or two on his contract.
We should learn our lesson about extending older players too far into their thirties like NicNat.
As for Darling it would be nice for him to get to 300 games and if he would finish his contract with us he would do that.
Jack like Tom are looking out for themselves. Jack wants to play till he is 35.
If we get pick 40 i will be happy and if Jack gets two or three more years at Afl level he will be happy.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It’s very early days but where might a bid for Champion come?

Our current pick 59 has enough points to cover a bid from 45 onwards which seems like it would be around the mark

Makes pick 40 quite useful for us and worth chipping in a bit of Darlings salary if it means securing 40 instead of 58. Even if we pay $300k for next year, it’s $500k coming off our books assuming JD is on $800k as reported

The pick 40 would be an insurance policy for it for sure. If it got to 40 and noone has bid we take next best available draftee - deep draft so might get another Long. With 59 covering bids from 45 even if it came bw 40-45 we could carry over the points to next year. I can't see him getting bid on before 40 though.

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[eaglevision]

One interesting rumour is that the Tigers are keen to land FOS and Jagga.

How do they do that?

Tigers with Rioli and Bolton trades may end up with 1st round picks 1, 6, 9, 10 and 17,.

Would they offer 6 plus 9 for 3? A few shuffles of later picks.

We get Hawks first at 12ish.

6, 9 and 12 are our fist rounders.

Lalor
Travaglia
Lindsay

All will end up playing midfield minutes but can also play on the flanks.

We need quanity and quality.

After Jagga who I think they’ll take at 1 I understand Richmond will be going for high end talls at the start of their rebuild. I’d be surprised if they offer 6 and 9 for 2 or 3 in an even top end but if they were set on Jagga and FOS that’s how they do it for sure. Still hoping GCS aren’t stupid enough to pay 6 for Rioli but I think they will. If we ended up with those picks you suggested that’s exactly who I would take too.

 

[Barrybran]

One interesting rumour is that the Tigers are keen to land FOS and Jagga.

How do they do that?

Tigers with Rioli and Bolton trades may end up with 1st round picks 1, 6, 9, 10 and 17,.

Would they offer 6 plus 9 for 3? A few shuffles of later picks.

We get Hawks first at 12ish.

6, 9 and 12 are our fist rounders.

Lalor
Travaglia
Lindsay

All will end up playing midfield minutes but can also play on the flanks.

We need quanity and quality.

Suns are better off using pick 6 for themselves and trading everything after the Lombard bid. Assume FOS and Jagga are both top 3, they'll need us or North to part with our picks. Based on conversations on this board, I feel like we need a top 5 and top 10 pick to get our targets. Richmond can't offer that. North on the other hand, don't really need another midfielder. Sure, elite talent is king but they midfielders coming out of their ears. They could afford to split pick 2 and Richmond will have a bounty of picks in the teens.

TLDR - I don't see Richmond being able to satisfy an offer for pick 3

 

[Smotie2]

Who the **** is FOS?

father or son?
Future one some?
**** or swim?
**** off Simpson?

Please help me.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I would say a bit of a mix between the two. He has very similar to the bont's ability to read play before it happens as well as his ability to go forward and kick goals.

He does have an interesting ball drop however and is probably a bit harder at the ball than the bont pointing more towards green.

He gets a shit load of the ball, is generally a very good user, particularly in tight and can kick goals. He's not fast but is agile enough and reads the play at an elite level. I would be lying if i didn't think he was a shot at going top 3.

Not that it means diddly squat but he's favourite I've seen this year. (All videos only)

 

[bzparkes]

Who the **** is FOS?

father or son?
Future one some?
**** or swim?
**** off Simpson?

Please help me.

Finn O'Sullivan

 

[6285sutto]

Westcoast can facilitate some pretty handy picks if they pay both barass and darlings remaining contracts

Barass is prob worth a 1st and 2nd, pay his contract out and get 12 and and a f1

Darling is worth a 4th rounder if anything, pay his contract and maybe pick 40

12 + f1 on kozzie
40 on best fullback available

Pykes made it clear we will be aggressive this off-season, these are the sort of deals that need to be done

Fingers crossed this is how it pans out.
Kozzie would be elite on our list.

 

[eaglevision]

It’s very early days but where might a bid for Champion come?

Our current pick 59 has enough points to cover a bid from 45 onwards which seems like it would be around the mark

Makes pick 40 quite useful for us and worth chipping in a bit of Darlings salary if it means securing 40 instead of 58. Even if we pay $300k for next year, it’s $500k coming off our books assuming JD is on $800k as reported

Champion is pick 35-45 IMO and more likely to be closer to 45. In saying that it only takes one person to value him more highly or one prick to bid early (mid-late 20s) out of spite knowing we’ll match. Glad Dildoro is off the books. I’d be pushing for 40 and 58 for JD and our F4 and we can afford to pay as much salary in 2025 as needed to balance it out.

 

[rebel23]

Pay half of Jack's salary for a year...and ask to swap 1st rounders...

 

[ArdentEagle]

One interesting rumour is that the Tigers are keen to land FOS and Jagga.

How do they do that?

Tigers with Rioli and Bolton trades may end up with 1st round picks 1, 6, 9, 10 and 17,.

Would they offer 6 plus 9 for 3? A few shuffles of later picks.

We get Hawks first at 12ish.

6, 9 and 12 are our fist rounders.

Lalor
Travaglia
Lindsay

All will end up playing midfield minutes but can also play on the flanks.

We need quanity and quality.

If they're that desperate...I say pay up!
6,9 and 10. Hell, I'll even chuck in an F4

 

[steve hucka]

I'm hoping we land Sid Draper just a no nonsense midfielder that does everything well.

Will be a good compliment to our other mids

 

[BartBart]

In my night shift boredom up north I've hit the 2006 Premiership rebuild. The 2018 team was dominated by key position players up the spine (Barrass, McGovern, Darling, Kennedy) and a team defence mindset with an ok midfield.
Polar opposite to 2006 with an elite midfield and 1 key position bookend in Glass, plus a hybrid forward/defender in Hunter and a mediocre key forward line in Lynch and Hansen.
The point is the rebuild started as soon as Malthouse left, who knew the window was closed. Judge or any coach in the role was always the sacrificial lamb. We traded elite talent in Ball ( Glass pick 11) and Gehrig (Kerr pick 18).

Rock bottom was 1999/2000. Our rebuild has been delayed under Simpson/O'Brien and we're there right now in the same situation with Barrass, Darling, Watermen, Ryan etc in the trade window.

We don't need a top up of players older than 25. We didn't top up with Chick for pick 8 until 2002 when Worsfold knew we had the young midfield depth and needed some bigger bodies around the ball. We doubled down with Stenglein in 2003.

We need elite talent via the draft. We're too far away to think about contending and Harley's timeline.

And when you look at all the failed picks in that build you realise it's the volume of picks we had rather than keeping blokes on the list on hopes alone.

* The cash symbol is 2006 Premiership player

2006 Premiership list build
Present under Malthouse
Michael Braun $
Rowan Jones $
Ben Cousins $
Andrew Embley $
David Wirrpanda $
Drew Banfield $

1999
TRADES
Jason Ball to Sydney for picks 11, 41
Brendan Fewster to Fremantle for pick 16
DRAFT
11 Darren Glass $
14 Travis Gaspar
16 David Haynes
29 Adam Hunter $
41 Kane Munro
ROOKIE DRAFT
12 Toby McGrath
28 Dean Cox $
44 Kasey Green $

2000
TRADES
3
OUT
Daniel Metropolis and pick 51 to Fremantle for Greg Harding
Mitchell White to Geelong for picks 27, 45, 57
Fraser Gehrig to St Kilda for David Sierakowski and pick 18
IN
Michael Collica and Richard Taylor from Hawthorn for pick 21
Mark Merenda from Richmond for pick 57
Michael Prior from Essendon for pick 27
DRAFT
5 Andrew McDougall
18 Daniel Kerr $
36 Jeremy Humm
45 Trent Carroll
Pre Season Draft
3 Troy Wilson
ROOKIE DRAFT
4 Dean Buszan
20 Zach Beeck
35 Andrew McCarrey
48 Kris Miller

2001
TRADES
0
DRAFT
3 Chris Judd $
6 Ashley Sampi
22 Mark Seaby $
38 Ashley Hansen $

ROOKIE DRAFT
3 Brent Tuckey
19 Quinten Lynch $
28 Jacon Crabb

2002
TRADES
2
OUT
Andrew Williams for Damien Adkins
Pick 8 to Hawthorn for Daniel Chick $

DRAFT
24 Paul Johnson
37 Brent Staker
53 Adam Selwood $

ROOKIE DRAFT
9 Aaron Edwards
25 Mark Nicoski
41 Zach Beeck

2003
TRADES
1
OUT
David Haynes and pick 42 to Geelong for pick 20

DRAFT
11 Beau Waters $
20 Sam Butler $
27 Daniel McConnell

ROOKIE DRAFT
9 Brett Jones $
25 Michael Embley
40 Jaymie Graham
54 Clancy Rudeforth

2004
TRADES
3
IN
Tyson Stenglein for picks 12, 28 $
OUT
Chad Morrison to Collingwood for pick 37
Callum Chambers to Carlton for pick 57
Draft
29 Matt Rosa
37 Mark LeCras
57 Brad Smith

ROOKIE DRAFT
9 Ben Sharp
25 Beau Maister
40 Ashley Thornton
52 Aaron Edwards

Nice work.

I assume Kasey Green as a Premiership player was just seeing who read it all.

 

[RanaNaved]

Who the **** is FOS?

father or son?
Future one some?
**** or swim?
**** off Simpson?

Please help me.

He's got a kid named Steve, so he's 'Father of Steve'