List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Choogler]

DGB is being delisted...

Just read where Hawks could give up 13, and a future 1st for Barrass and a future 2nd... I'd bloody grab that deal so fast.
Suspect Hawks are waiting to see if they get any offers for, or can use DGB as a sweetener. If hes delisted, is he worth a rookie spot?

 

[Benny duggans]

My thought is not only should there not be a discount, it should be a 10 or 20% surcharge for the privledge of the club being able to match a bid.

Do you think a surcharge will cause the death of regional and nga academies ? Im sure it would be detrimental to the afl with less kids coming through professional programs as seen with the drop in indigenous players recently . Clubs would have no reason to spend money on academies at all . Maybe the afl could cover the costs of all academies and take away any priority selections besides father son access.

 

[Choogler]

All eagles fans should be supporting them. Hawks pick for Barrass gets worse after every win and we dont want Hinkley.

I was seriously hoping for a Carlton win and Hawks loss in the first week of finals. Pick 11 would have been much better.

 

[Choogler]

Left field suggestion - Hawks trade 13 + F1 to Freo for 9 + 17, trade 9 to us and keep 17 for themselves. Pick swaps to even things up. We take 3, 9, 23 to the draft.

Very reluctant to give up pick 3 but we do need more picks, so lets think big! This is even more left field...
Our F1, JD, and all of JD's salary for NM 2024 Pick 2.
We take 2, 3, 13, 23 to the draft.
If that works, could then offer GC 3 & 23 for 6 & 12 (same points value) & go to the draft with 2, 6, 12, 13 & 23
If NM deal doesn't work, offer GC our F1 & 23 for 6, 12 we still end up with 3, 6, 12, 13,

 

[Broken_Chairs]

If Dev doesn't get selected in the grand final as a player and he isn't slightly annoyed then I dunno about his fire in his belly.

I'd admit I was wrong. Staying for a Grand Final shot was a good idea but the irony is not being selected does make me lol

Do we say being a cheerleader is contribution to lions winning a grand final rofl

An admirable but horrible career choice.

Could have played every game this year and solidified himself as an AFL quality player on a contract worth more money and years. Instead sat around in the 2's and won't be selected for the grand final team.

Even if we were still interested, I can't see us offering what we did last year.

 

[legoman92]

I agree long odds but our LM team haven't pulled one out of the box for years. If

If I was WC List manager, the first thing I'd be doing is locking in the Barrass deal which I expect will be Pick 13 and Denver Grainger-Barras or a future 2nd)
I'd then see if NM were interested in doing Darling and our F1 for their pick 2. Pay as much of JD's salary as it takes. This is not as crazy as it sounds because NM have stated the are looking to add experience plus they could always trade our F1 to get back into this year's first round. If it works we have 2, 3, 13, 23, 59 & 77 to take to the draft. Or we could try trading 3 & 23 for 6 & 12 from GC to have 2, 6, 12, 13, 59, 77.
If the NM offer doesn't work, try our F1 (probably be 1 - 3), 13 (from Hawks) & 23 for GC 6, 12, & 20. Our picks carry more points value than theirs, and if they are looking to bank points for next year it may appeal to them.
All of these things are highly improbable but I just think our LM/recruitment team needs to be proactive and try something out of the box... at least ask the questions.

Darling is a salary dump for us. He has almost no trade value m. What makes you think north would trade pick 2 for a future pick which puts them in a worse position? This is all kinds of new level of nuffie

 

[Choogler]

Darling is a salary dump for us. He has almost no trade value m. What makes you think north would trade pick 2 for a future pick which puts them in a worse position? This is all kinds of new level of nuffie

Firstly, NM have stated they are looking to add experienced players to support the recently acquired young talent.
Secondly, they are getting a player they obviously want, at no cost, with his first year paid, for virtually an even pick swap because we are unlikely to finish above 3rd last again next season.
It also gives them options. With our F1 likely to be between 1 & 3, they have the option of going to the next draft with 2 very early picks, or using their F1, or ours, to trade back into the first round of this year's draft (multiple clubs have multiple picks), or to trade for a quality player or 2.
As I said in my previous post, it's highly improbable that it would happen but if it did NM certainly wouldn't be in a worse position, in fact they'd have more options plus a player they want paid for!
If we don't ask, we'll never know!

 

[Dark Sharks]

I don't particularly want us chasing or paying a premium for him him either, but there's really no point referencing Bakers stats fellas. He's the opposite of a chip scab or someone who pads stats. His value is more than that.

He's highly rated for a reason. He's a quality player, without carrying the tag of being a star. The bloke has won the award for the AFL's most courageous player and carries respect across the entire competition. Legit the opposite of Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

as far as leadership goes IMO.

Wouldn't say no to that sort of leadership coming to Flag Coast to set an onfield/offfield example for our younger players.


If you can get all that guaranteed for a second round pick (23) it might be annoying, but really not the end of the world. I want to load up on top 30 picks this draft as much as anyone but it's not all doom and gloom with Baker if we do end up getting him, a bit of perspective is needed.


Our team is instantly better with Baker in it. Regardless of how many people think he's a shit utility/nothing player.



Now, if you'll excuse me..

 

[Elite Pete]

Very reluctant to give up pick 3 but we do need more picks, so lets think big! This is even more left field...
Our F1, JD, and all of JD's salary for NM 2024 Pick 2.
We take 2, 3, 13, 23 to the draft.
If that works, could then offer GC 3 & 23 for 6 & 12 (same points value) & go to the draft with 2, 6, 12, 13 & 23
If NM deal doesn't work, offer GC our F1 & 23 for 6, 12 we still end up with 3, 6, 12, 13,

6 is pretty much gone to Richmond for Rioli and they definitely ain’t doing 6 & 12, they will be trading out all assets they have to get him. Maybe some sort of 3 way trade could work between the sides though.

North ain’t trading to get out of this draft. They are trying to prepare a trade to part with their F1 to get back another pick in this draft for an asset incase Houston selects them. That is the trade to watch for Freo prepping for Warner in 2025 trade period.

 

[Goroyals22]

Just read where Hawks could give up 13, and a future 1st for Barrass and a future 2nd... I'd bloody grab that deal so fast.
Suspect Hawks are waiting to see if they get any offers for, or can use DGB as a sweetener. If hes delisted, is he worth a rookie spot?

No, no he isn’t worth any spot…. None, nada, infact east Perth probably won’t even speak to him after being delisted to get him back.


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[new breed]

No, no he isn’t worth any spot…. None, nada, infact east Perth probably won’t even speak to him after being delisted to get him back.


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From SD

We're going to get Trew and DGB and win the next three WAFL flags .

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

HUN on DGB

Not part of TB trade and will like be delisted

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Barras F2 for 13 F1

Hawks F1 and 3 for 6 9 and baker.

Darling for 58.

6 9 13 23 58 59

6 Lalor/Smillie/landford. One will slide.
9 trevaglia
13 Lindsay/allen
23 Tauru/Whitlock
58/59 champion bid or a slider and champion


Draft 5 kids
Graham and baker.




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[flamingEMBERS]

Barras F2 for 13 F1

Hawks F1 and 3 for 6 9 and baker.

Darling for 58.

6 9 13 23 58 59

6 Lalor/Smillie/landford. One will slide.
9 trevaglia
13 Lindsay/allen
23 Tauru/Whitlock
58/59 champion bid or a slider and champion


Draft 5 kids
Graham and baker.




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[Barrybran]

Very reluctant to give up pick 3 but we do need more picks, so lets think big! This is even more left field...
Our F1, JD, and all of JD's salary for NM 2024 Pick 2.
We take 2, 3, 13, 23 to the draft.
If that works, could then offer GC 3 & 23 for 6 & 12 (same points value) & go to the draft with 2, 6, 12, 13 & 23
If NM deal doesn't work, offer GC our F1 & 23 for 6, 12 we still end up with 3, 6, 12, 13,

Don't mind it. Would be super aggressive as well. Can pretty much say goodbye to Warner though.

 

[Barrybran]

Darling is a salary dump for us. He has almost no trade value m. What makes you think north would trade pick 2 for a future pick which puts them in a worse position? This is all kinds of new level of nuffie

I'm curious as to what North's plans are this year. They need KPP's yet this draft is loaded with mids, which they already have a heap of. It feels like an awkward year for North to hold pick 2.

 

[shooshka]

Barras F2 for 13 F1

Hawks F1 and 3 for 6 9 and baker.

Darling for 58.

6 9 13 23 58 59

6 Lalor/Smillie/landford. One will slide.
9 trevaglia
13 Lindsay/allen
23 Tauru/Whitlock
58/59 champion bid or a slider and champion


Draft 5 kids
Graham and baker.




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58/59 will be close-ish to the end of the draft. They will come in, but it is a deep draft so pick 50 vs 60/65 or even RD are all pretty similar.

Outside of that it is a lot of effort and cost to get an extra pick inside the first 12.

Sure, we get Baker (can be done independently of the hawks F1), but give up the hawks F1 and our F2 plus downgrade 3 to 6 to facilitate it (and get 9).

2x 1sts this draft and 2x next draft is a better option imo. Balances out our build.


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[Goomba1973]

I don't particularly want us chasing or paying a premium for him him either, but there's really no point referencing Bakers stats fellas. He's the opposite of a chip scab or someone who pads stats. His value is more than that.

He's highly rated for a reason. He's a quality player, without carrying the tag of being a star. The bloke has won the award for the AFL's most courageous player and carries respect across the entire competition. Legit the opposite of Tim Kelly as far as leadership goes IMO.

Wouldn't say no to that sort of leadership coming to Flag Coast to set an onfield/offfield example for our younger players.


If you can get all that guaranteed for a second round pick (23) it might be annoying, but really not the end of the world. I want to load up on top 30 picks this draft as much as anyone but it's not all doom and gloom with Baker if we do end up getting him, a bit of perspective is needed.


Our team is instantly better with Baker in it. Regardless of how many people think he's a shit utility/nothing player.



Now, if you'll excuse me..

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I can take or leave Baker.. I do see he adds leadership value , but from position perspective he does not fill any immediate need. I'd be OK with giving up a second rounder, but only if we are adding picks inside the top 30 to do it. If we give up anything more than that we are essentially just helping Richmond rebuild quicker than us.

 

[1Bally1]

Seeing that we delisted baker we now have 1 nga spot on our list. Who will it be?

 

[bzparkes]

Seeing that we delisted baker we now have 1 nga spot on our list. Who will it be?

Champion, unless he gets bid on.

 

[1Bally1]

Champion, unless he gets bid on.

He will get bidded on in the draft tho 100% so who will it be

 

[mat11]

Champion would probably slip through to the rookie draft on this year's output because he's a bit raw, however the Cockburn's down the road will make us bid on him just because. Pretty confident he'll be on our list though

 

[Godfather32]

Champion would probably slip through to the rookie draft on this year's output because he's a bit raw, however the Cockburn's down the road will make us bid on him just because. Pretty confident he'll be on our list though

Unless they get some later picks in trades would they bother bidding at 63?
No chance they're bidding at 27 (wherever that ends up actually being)

 

[twce13]

Seeing that we delisted baker we now have 1 nga spot on our list. Who will it be?

He was upgraded to a standard rookie last season. No free nga.

 

[Keys]

Seeing that we delisted baker we now have 1 nga spot on our list. Who will it be?

Champion, unless he gets bid on.

Baker wasn’t on our Cat B list. He was moved to the rookie list last year to make space for Livingstone. Dewar is the other Cat B rookie

If there’s no bid on Champion we’d need to promote Dewar to the rookie list and then take Champion as a NGA (Cat B)