List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

Remove this Banner Ad

  • Thread starter
  • Moderator
  • #2


Quick links:
Player contract status
Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)
AFL retirements and delistings



Latest news and rumours:

  • Oscar Allen and Jake Waterman are set to sign new deals (Code Sports)
    • Allen is due to become a free agent at the end of next season, but is working on a six-year extension
    • Waterman will sign a four year deal, which is "heavily incentives based" and could see him earn up to $1m per year


  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."






 
Last edited by a moderator:
58/59 will be close-ish to the end of the draft. They will come in, but it is a deep draft so pick 50 vs 60/65 or even RD are all pretty similar.

Outside of that it is a lot of effort and cost to get an extra pick inside the first 12.

Sure, we get Baker (can be done independently of the hawks F1), but give up the hawks F1 and our F2 plus downgrade 3 to 6 to facilitate it (and get 9).

2x 1sts this draft and 2x next draft is a better option imo. Balances out our build.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
How's the next draft shaping up at the top end compared to this draft?
 

Log in to remove this ad.

Fremantle are likely trading for Bolton, possibly Baker and are looking at Martin

Why would they bid as early as 27 on Champion who isn’t rated that highly in any rankings I’ve seen
 
Fremantle are likely trading for Bolton, possibly Baker and are looking at Martin

Why would they bid as early as 27 on Champion who isn’t rated that highly in any rankings I’ve seen
-27 probably becomes late 30's
  • not sure Martin/baker be on their radar
  • small fwd an area they need
  • son son is old af and like for like
 
-27 probably becomes late 30's
  • not sure Martin/baker be on their radar
  • small fwd an area they need
  • son son is old af and like for like

Martin has done a medical with them

Baker is considered 60/40 between us and Freo based on what’s been reported

I haven’t seen Champion rated inside the top 40 by most ratings so even if 27 slips into the 30’s it’s still high
 
-27 probably becomes late 30's
  • not sure Martin/baker be on their radar
  • small fwd an area they need
  • son son is old af and like for like
If the Dockers secure Baker, they won't have pick 27.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Martin has done a medical with them

Baker is considered 60/40 between us and Freo based on what’s been reported

I haven’t seen Champion rated inside the top 40 by most ratings so even if 27 slips into the 30’s it’s still high

Keys I wouldn't be too worried about Champion being bid on early as IMO I think he will go really late and could even be a rookie.

I have plenty of players that I would draft before him as I think he has been very underwhelming this year.
 
Keys I wouldn't be too worried about Champion being bid on early as IMO I think he will go really late and could even be a rookie.

I have plenty of players that I would draft before him as I think he has been very underwhelming this year.

I agree

Was posting in response to a suggestion Freo might lodge a bid as early as 27 which made no sense

Think we’re safe with pick 59 being sufficient to match a bid as that covers anything from 45 onwards
 
I don't particularly want us chasing or paying a premium for him him either, but there's really no point referencing Bakers stats fellas. He's the opposite of a chip scab or someone who pads stats. His value is more than that.

He's highly rated for a reason. He's a quality player, without carrying the tag of being a star. The bloke has won the award for the AFL's most courageous player and carries respect across the entire competition. Legit the opposite of Tim Kelly as far as leadership goes IMO.

Wouldn't say no to that sort of leadership coming to Flag Coast to set an onfield/offfield example for our younger players.


If you can get all that guaranteed for a second round pick (23) it might be annoying, but really not the end of the world. I want to load up on top 30 picks this draft as much as anyone but it's not all doom and gloom with Baker if we do end up getting him, a bit of perspective is needed.


Our team is instantly better with Baker in it. Regardless of how many people think he's a shit utility/nothing player.



Now, if you'll excuse me..

View attachment 2117720
Yeah it's a bit odd sometimes, some players get derided because they have no positional versatility, some do because they've got too much

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Baker wasn’t on our Cat B list. He was moved to the rookie list last year to make space for Livingstone. Dewar is the other Cat B rookie

If there’s no bid on Champion we’d need to promote Dewar to the rookie list and then take Champion as a NGA (Cat B)
Or rookie list champion?

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Do you think a surcharge will cause the death of regional and nga academies ? Im sure it would be detrimental to the afl with less kids coming through professional programs as seen with the drop in indigenous players recently . Clubs would have no reason to spend money on academies at all . Maybe the afl could cover the costs of all academies and take away any priority selections besides father son access.

The reason for NGA to continue is the free access they get to match any bid.

That is a massive advantage even if they get 1 good player through over a few years.
 
Or rookie list champion?

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app

I’m not 100% on the rules but my understanding is we can match a bid in the main draft and if there’s no bid we can prelist him as a Cat B rookie but not as a regular rookie listed player

And there’s no matching in the rookie draft, so if we didn't list him as a Cat B, Richmond or North could draft him before our pick

So if there’s no bid we move Dewar onto the rookie list, like we did with Baker last year, then prelist Champion as a Cat B after the main draft
 
Barras F2 for 13 F1

Hawks F1 and 3 for 6 9 and baker.

Darling for 58.

6 9 13 23 58 59

6 Lalor/Smillie/landford. One will slide.
9 trevaglia
13 Lindsay/allen
23 Tauru/Whitlock
58/59 champion bid or a slider and champion


Draft 5 kids
Graham and baker.




On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app
Terrible deal for us. Terrible.

Please let Cockburn come to the party and draft him so we have no choice in the matter.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

Remove this Banner Ad

Back
Top