List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[CountryLad]

Suns would be crazy to gift the Tigers pick 6 unless a fair bit was coming back.

Lombard bid will be after pick 6 and in no way is Rioli worth pick 6 in a straight swap.

 

[Tugga27]

Yeo and Gov are too old to generate a first or second rounder. Of the rest, Barrass and Allen, maybe Waterman have value. Love to hear who "easily" generates high picks other than those I listed.

HR

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

For those interested in the ruck merry go round, it’s being reported Soldo will move to St Kilda while Tom Campbell

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Tom Campbell

Age

33

Ht

201cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

17.0

5star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.0

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

CL

1.2

4star

HO

13.2

5star

will join Melbourne (his fourth club) as a DFA after being delisted by the Saints earlier.

 

[shan76]

 

[shan76]

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[Choogler]

If freo and wce relations are good..

I think I read somewhere (cant remember where) freo could offer a first to North for their f1 to help with Chad at the end of 2025. If we concede we we won't get Chad, we could throw our f1 to freo for their pick 10 and reidy. We'd still have our first tied to Hawks in 2025 so it wouldn't hamstring us too much

Wce out F1
Wce in Travaglia + Reidy

Looking fwd to the melting over this suggestion

go left field...

NM have stated a desire to get in mature bodies, hence the interest in Darling, so it may not be a good draft for them to hold pick 2. In a straight trade for Darling we'll only get a pick 3 in the 50s at best.
So find out if they are interest in trading out of P2. If they are, then
offer NM:
our F1, Darling and his $800,000 salary for next year for their P2, throw in our P59 if necessary.
P2 for our F1 is really just a pick swap as I expect us to be bottom 2 again, and NM get JD and $800,000 as the Steak knives on top of it.
NM would also still have the option of trading back into the draft by using that F1 or their own F1.
Picks 2, 3, 13 (for TB) and 23 would be a good hand.

 

[WCE_phil]

Bailey simply needs to put on about 10% weight so he’s not out-sized or muscled in the ruck contests. It’s not rocket science, he’s been preparing as a fwd who will pinch hit in the ruck. It’s been poor development by us up till this point.
Get him bigger and he will be as serviceable as any of the rucks options being thrown around and cost nothing.

On top of that Scott Jones out played Reidy for much of yesterday’s contest. Is 205 cm and 110kg. 29yrs of age so not old in ruck terms. Would cost nothing either as a short to medium term option while we develop a couple of younger guys.

Scott Jones is a great state level ruckman but he can't step it up further to the next level. Is too slow and nowhere near fit enough to get to contest to contest at AFL level. Doesn't get enough of the ball or free his midfielders up generally either.

Max Knobel being much more athletic whilst having the height to match him destroyed him in the H+A season.

 

[shooshka]

Suns would be crazy to gift the Tigers pick 6 unless a fair bit was coming back.

Lombard bid will be after pick 6 and in no way is Rioli worth pick 6 in a straight swap.

Agreed. If 6 is part of it surely (surely) GC are getting something of significant value back in addition to Rioli.

But also, and I know they are relatively stacked for early round draftee talent, why would you not want to take 2x picks in the first 10-15 (depending where the Lombard bid arrives). Even if they reach a little for a KPF or KPD, it would be nuts not to rort the points system one final time…


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[Choogler]

Such as? That well is very dry im afraid. Id much rather we offer Eramus a 4 year deal then Jack Graham at this stage. Give up some of the draft captial we were going to use for lIam Baker for Erasmus. Replace Liam Baker by just grabbing Parfitt as a free agent

Erasmus + Parfitt + keeping better draft picks is a much better situation then Baker + Graham

Graham is a free agent and would cost us nothing except his salary, so he shouldn't be in this trade discussion. Baker rates above average or elite in most of the major statistical areas which is better than Rioli who rates average/below average yet most expect GC to cough up 6 or 12 for. Reckon Baker is worth really late first at best, certainly wouldn't give up 13 for him.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

One giant issue is Liam Baker is a flanker. We do not need anymore flankers.... I cant express that any stronger. Its the LAST spot we need to look at

Id rather we spend our time on a guy like Neil Erasmus who we should be making a big offer for

You oscillate so hard between “there’s no point chasing anyone, no one will come here” and “we should make player X an offer he can’t refuse”, you must be suffering from some pretty terrible whiplash.

 

[Elite Pete]

Graham is a free agent and would cost us nothing except his salary, so he shouldn't be in this trade discussion. Baker rates above average or elite in most of the major statistical areas which is better than Rioli who rates average/below average yet most expect GC to cough up 6 or 12 for. Reckon Baker is worth really late first at best, certainly wouldn't give up 13 for him.

Baker rated in the 47 elite players in champion data this year. Yes people do use these when they back up their argument and discard when they don’t. I would say ANB and Ward were the only two outliers for me. ANB apparently going for pick 25 and is 2 years older.

Anyone trying to talk down Baker must not have watched him closely imo. It’s just about getting the right value in a trade

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You oscillate so hard between “there’s no point chasing anyone, no one will come here” and “we should make player X an offer he can’t refuse”, you must be suffering from some pretty terrible whiplash.

Not really. Im resigned to the fact they wont come but still gotta try...

 

[Choogler]

Agreed. If 6 is part of it surely (surely) GC are getting something of significant value back in addition to Rioli.

But also, and I know they are relatively stacked for early round draftee talent, why would you not want to take 2x picks in the first 10-15 (depending where the Lombard bid arrives). Even if they reach a little for a KPF or KPD, it would be nuts not to rort the points system one final time…


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With the change in the draft points system next year, GC may need to bank points as they have a potential No 1 pick in their academy.
Why not offer them our F1 and 23 for 6 and 12. We'll probably finish no higher than 3rd last so the points value is about the same.
3, 6, 12, 13, would be a great hand and still leave GC with 20 & 23 which I see as Rioli's worth. And they still have plenty of 2nd and 3rd rounders to match for Lombard.

 

[Godfather32]

Baker rated in the 47 elite players in champion data this year. Yes people do use these when they back up their argument and discard when they don’t. I would say ANB and Ward were the only two outliers for me. ANB apparently going for pick 25 and is 2 years older.

Anyone trying to talk down Baker must not have watched him closely imo. It’s just about getting the right value in a trade

It's also about his age, particularly in a year when the draft is this deep. Could be throwing away the chance at 200 game player for the sake of a guy who's highly unlikely to be on the team next time we're contending

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It's also about his age, particularly in a year when the draft is this deep. Could be throwing away the chance at 200 game player for the sake of a guy who's highly unlikely to be on the team next time we're contending

He’s 25. How far away do you think we are?

 

[Jez1974]

Would be funny as shit, with the way Richmond posters are frothing over all these first rounders they are supposedly getting.

Leave em all at Richmond!!

 

[Godfather32]

He’s 25. How far away do you think we are?

He's 27 in January

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He's 27 in January

That’ll teach me to do maths in my head on a public holiday

 

[Mop]

I'd love to say nah we don't need Baker and take the pick given the touted quality of this draft, but in the 3-4 years when the current group of senior players expire / retire we lack the senior leadership in that age bracket to mentor.
We need some quality prime in the middle. Baker does offer that, but it has to be reasonable in what we give up.

Can't be Kelly Mk II.

 

[Barrybran]

With the change in the draft points system next year, GC may need to bank points as they have a potential No 1 pick in their academy.
Why not offer them our F1 and 23 for 6 and 12. We'll probably finish no higher than 3rd last so the points value is about the same.
3, 6, 12, 13, would be a great hand and still leave GC with 20 & 23 which I see as Rioli's worth. And they still have plenty of 2nd and 3rd rounders to match for Lombard.

The Gold Coast fans I've seen have all said they're in 'win now' mode and appear to be all for pushing picks back into next year's draft. There is certainly an opportunity to leverage this using our F1. I don't think it would be 6 AND 12 seeing as the Suns appear to be all in on Rioli but it could be as simple as 6 + 26 for our F1. Maybe 46 as well or 20 instead of 26.

That would leave us with 3, 6, 13, 23, 26 this year but either Hawks' F1 or our F2 as our best pick next year, likely meaning no Warner (unless we did it this year with the above hand).

 

[Choogler]

Baker rated in the 47 elite players in champion data this year. Yes people do use these when they back up their argument and discard when they don’t. I would say ANB and Ward were the only two outliers for me. ANB apparently going for pick 25 and is 2 years older.

Anyone trying to talk down Baker must not have watched him closely imo. It’s just about getting the right value in a trad

I'm glad a few other people are on the Crossley train.

He'd cost nothing.

Yes - He's short for an AFL Ruck but he's an absolute mongrel, I can guarantee you wont get other rucks waltzing out the front of a contest. He'll punish the other rucks physically, win more than his opponent most times at throw-ins too, he's very strong.

Very similar to Mumford and perfect for Williams has he can soften them up, then BW can use his athleticism.

He'd lift others around him too.

Just come off 71, 69 hit-out games respectively in the VFL (+12 and 5 tackles)

He'd be a fantastic addition for no cost

Forget Bailey, he's not up to AFL standard as a ruckman, he just seems to be short on footy IQ. I'd take a 3rd rounder for him!

 

[Godfather32]

I'd love to say nah we don't need Baker and take the pick given the touted quality of this draft, but in the 3-4 years when the current group of senior players expire / retire we lack the senior leadership in that age bracket to mentor.
We need some quality prime in the middle. Baker does offer that, but it has to be reasonable in what we give up.

Can't be Kelly Mk II.

So you're banking on Baker playing well into his 30s?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

The Gold Coast fans I've seen have all said they're in 'win now' mode and appear to be all for pushing picks back into next year's draft. There is certainly an opportunity to leverage this using our F1. I don't think it would be 6 AND 12 seeing as the Suns appear to be all in on Rioli but it could be as simple as 6 + 26 for our F1. Maybe 46 as well or 20 instead of 26.

That would leave us with 3, 6, 13, 23, 26 this year but either Hawks' F1 or our F2 as our best pick next year, likely meaning no Warner (unless we did it this year with the above hand).

Why is GC trading the certainty of pick 6 and a 2nd round pick for an unknown future pick?
We'd be the ones having to throw a sweetener in, not GC, and even then I don't think any sane club trades out a pick 6 for an unknown pick, you play that kind of roulette with later picks.

 

[Jukes]

For those interested in the ruck merry go round, it’s being reported Soldo will move to St Kilda while Tom Campbell will join Melbourne (his fourth club) as a DFA after being delisted by the Saints earlier.

Who on earth is giving career advice to bro…

 

[Happy Mastenator]

So you're banking on Baker playing well into his 30s?

Correct me if I’m wrong but the history of players with his profile, being undersized energy players who happen to be turnover merchants who don’t kick bucket loads of goals indicates he’ll play until he’s 40?