List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[random260]

13 for Baker???? In other words TB for Baker

I'm going to ****ing rage. We trade out 28 year old KPD for a 27 year old HBF.

And the KPD we trade out we dont really have effective cover for but that's the risk we take with trading him out for picks.

What's the ****ing point recruiting team?
Just bring back TB he is more needed then ****ing Baker. Jesus christ.

 

[ronpingwins]

Twomey saying we will likely get two first round picks for Barrass if we maybe pay some of his salary, a pick potentially goes back to hawthorn too

Great news imo

However he followed it up with awful news that we’ve tabled pick 13 for Baker

Had heard Freo had better picks on the table for him. Twomey saying they're legit offering pick 10. Hoping we don't get McQualter purely to avoid this awful trade.

 

[RanaNaved]

Richmond will have a surplus of second/third rounders, every chance we get some of those in a Baker trade.

Having said that, I'm going to send out WTF emails to Pyke and Clarke now haha

 

[random260]

On every ****ing level. TB is more needed them Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

.


What a disaster trade.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Once again lets just calm down a bit.

If it ends up being pick 13 for Baker and 20 or some such we should probably be pretty happy.

Lets just see how it pans out.

 

[TerryFilk]

Had heard Freo had better picks on the table for him. Twomey saying they're legit offering pick 10. Hoping we don't get McQualter purely to avoid this awful trade.

We’re going to miss out on Lindsay or Travaglia for 4-5 years of Liam Baker

I’m sick to my stomach

But I expected this when we hired Clark

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Twomey saying we will likely get two first round picks for Barrass if we maybe pay some of his salary, a pick potentially goes back to hawthorn too

Great news imo

However he followed it up with awful news that we’ve tabled pick 13 for Baker

People thinking that’d be Barrass for Baker have overlooked the first sentence.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

People against splitting I can see having an epic melt when we use live pick 4 on Travagalia.

Noted Monocle used pick 3 in the phantom on Travagalia. He is such a smooth mover and a distinct area of need. Our Lockie Whitfield.

Very high chance he is available at pick 6....live pick 7.

Look anytime you can address out urgent midfield need, by "looks at notes" taking a half back flanker, no matter how good, you have to do it....

 

[random260]

Thank you. If the mid we take out of this draft is only TT it encapsulates everything wrong with us.

Tobie I love the guy has no runs on the board as a mid. I think he will make it as a fine mid but he has minimal run on the board.

Rather go for Lalor in that case.


With TT he will 100 percent be a slow burn mid. Draper/Lalor/Langford I have more faith they can play mid well day 1

 

[squashface]

lol at melts at us trading a pick we don’t even have yet

 

[Cuzz09]

Considering we were probably only gonna get 2 years out of TB anyway and maybe get 5 or so from Baker they semi cover themselves if it's Baker for the TB pick

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[Get_The_Gaff]

How is the salary cap full for 2025? Gaff, Darling and TBs contracts will be off the books.

Everything i have heard we will be struggling to hit the 95% floor .

 

[Seadog]

Twomey saying we will likely get two first round picks for Barrass if we maybe pay some of his salary, a pick potentially goes back to hawthorn too

Great news imo

However he followed it up with awful news that we’ve tabled pick 13 for Baker

Might get 2 first rounders for Barrass and absolutely paying 13 for Baker is more Priktorian horseshit.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Baker for 13 is a disaster.
But writing angry e-mails and becoming physically ill may be a bit premature. Lets wait to see what actually happens.

13 for Baker + 21 certainly is more palatable Big_Birdy

Interesting Article on SEN, suggesting the game has trended towards - and unlikely to change anytime soon - a setup of having 4 or 5 superstars carrying the team and everyone else playing purely support roles. The above trade doesn't take away from this approach, loading up with potential superstars isn't as important as loading up with capable support players. In that regard, Baker + 21 holds more value than 13 alone.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Baker for 13 is a disaster.
But writing angry e-mails and becoming physically ill may be a bit premature. Lets wait to see what actually happens.

13 for Baker + 21 certainly is more palatable.

Interesting Article on SEN, suggesting the game has trended towards - and unlikely to change anytime soon - a setup of having 4 or 5 superstars carrying the team and everyone else playing purely support roles. The above trade doesn't take away from this approach, loading up with potential superstars isn't as important as loading up with capable support players. In that regard, Baker + 21 holds more value than 13 alone.

Except we can make a reasonable assumption that Baker won't be around/non-factor when our team is competing for flags again in 4 or 5 years time. So in that regard pick 13 >>>>> Pick 21 when it matters.

 

[RanaNaved]

Baker for 13 is a disaster.
But writing angry e-mails and becoming physically ill may be a bit premature. Lets wait to see what actually happens.

13 for Baker + 21 certainly is more palatable Big_Birdy

Interesting Article on SEN, suggesting the game has trended towards - and unlikely to change anytime soon - a setup of having 4 or 5 superstars carrying the team and everyone else playing purely support roles. The above trade doesn't take away from this approach, loading up with potential superstars isn't as important as loading up with capable support players. In that regard, Baker + 21 holds more value than 13 alone.

Yes I think WC will get something back too. I asked the question yesterday which picks could we get back if we put 13 on the table for Baker and got derided. Now seems very possible.

Richmond will have multiple second rounders we can go for

 

[Hook461123]

People that are suggesting we take TT with our first, is he going to be able to play mid in the future? Seems a reach.

If we trade 13 for Baker (yuck, better be something coming back) and take TT with 3, then we are going to pick our first mid at 23 again, in a midfielders draft. Seems a very WCE thing but surely it is obvious that we need ball winners and possession getters.

If we use 3 on a top mid and then split 13 for Baker and a second rounder, still yuck but could take that.

 

[Barrybran]

When Baker finally nominates the Eagles as the club he wants to go to we will be forced into making a deal with the Tigers. I know that’s not going to be overly popular in here however it’s out of our control.

I think with our lack of draft picks we will need to get creative and prepare ourselves for a split of pick 3.

Trade week

1) Split pick 23 for 29 & 39 with Tigers.

2) Pick 13 & Hawks F2 for Barrass (That’s pretty realistic. Equivalent to a top 10 pick which is pretty fair. Hawks won’t give up 2 first rounders).

3) Pick 3 & Hawks F2 for pick 6 & Baker.
(Tigers will want our F2, hopefully we can hold out)

4) Darling to Nth for pick 64.

Personally I’m happy with Travaglia @ pick 6. So going for some WA/Vic country flavour after that.

Pick 6)TT
Pick 13) Allan/Tauru/Berry
Pick 29)Gerryn/Hynes/Urquhart/Ough
Pick 39)Davis/Barrat/Day-Wicks/Dennis
Pick 59) Champion* (academy bid)
Pick 64 or Rookie selections
Artemis/Boxshall/Hayes/Ravenhill

Lots of good options in there to have a successful draft whilst still holding onto all of our future picks and bringing in Baker.

Over to you development coaches!!!

We should be able to do better than this

 

[Obeanie1]

Thank you. If the mid we take out of this draft is only TT it encapsulates everything wrong with us.

Tobie I love the guy has no runs on the board as a mid. I think he will make it as a fine mid but he has minimal run on the board.

Rather go for Lalor in that case.


With TT he will 100 percent be a slow burn mid. Draper/Lalor/Langford I have more faith they can play mid well day 1

Lucky we have other picks to use on mids.

And trade in others.

I would have no issue using pick 3 / 4 on Travagalia. It means we rated him that highly and didn't want to risk missi g him by downgrading.

If we split 3 and still landed Travagalia and another 1st round pick I'd be very happy.

Use 13 from Hawks and the other pick on a mid and Tauru.

 

[bzparkes]

Seriously, people are melting over Twomey's comments?

Listen again, "I expect West Coast have 13 on the table.'

Ergo: He doesn't know what WCE are offering.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Except we can make a reasonable assumption that Baker won't be around/non-factor when our team is competing for flags again in 4 or 5 years time. So in that regard pick 13 >>>>> Pick 21 when it matters.

If baker plays to age 33-34, which is a good likelihood given his durability and lack of travel to date, gives us 6-7 years of his services.

Pick 13 vs 21 in such an even draft might not matter nor are earlier picks guaranteed to be the better player.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If baker plays to age 33-34, which is a good likelihood given his durability and lack of travel to date, gives us 6-7 years of his services.

Pick 13 vs 21 in such an even draft might not matter nor are earlier picks guaranteed to be the better player.

He's an undersized effort player with poor skills. There is value in that to a degree, but it won't age well at all. If he makes it past 31/32 as a positive value player I'll be very very surprised.

 

[Lia]

13 for Baker is officially fold the club territory lol there will be more to it than that.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Considering we were probably only gonna get 2 years out of TB anyway and maybe get 5 or so from Baker they semi cover themselves if it's Baker for the TB pick

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Impossible to even predict that. TB doesn't even turn 29 until the end of next season.

Gov is 32 and with all his past injuries we're probably still hoping to get a couple more years out of him.

TB is 3.5 years younger.

 

[Obeanie1]

People that are suggesting we take TT with our first, is he going to be able to play mid in the future? Seems a reach.

If we trade 13 for Baker (yuck, better be something coming back) and take TT with 3, then we are going to pick our first mid at 23 again, in a midfielders draft. Seems a very WCE thing but surely it is obvious that we need ball winners and possession getters.

If we use 3 on a top mid and then split 13 for Baker and a second rounder, still yuck but could take that.

Every team needs an elite rebounding half back. They are just as important as elite mids.

We don't have any.

And he looks like a Will Day type who can transition to midfield. Has done so to limited degrees already.

Because TT is flexible and can play defense and wing / on ball where other u18's are mids and just mids shouldn't rule him out as a potentially great mid.