List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[shooshka]

I'd be ecstatic if so, just sceptical that's all. And I'd rather not lose a required player to achieve the pick split. Someone posted 5 and 7 for 2 - I doubt we could achieve that without throwing one of our talents in the mix.

Edit - that someone was you lol. Maybe with Rioli going to Port we can get some three way action? Anyway better minds than me will work something out and hopefully we get a decent haul.

If we traded Rioli for ports future 2nd I could definitely see GC being keen for a swap along the lines of:

2, F2 (WC), F2 (Port)

for

5, 7, 25 or 31 (31 is much closer on points, but they might be willing to part with 25 for the chance to death-ride us and Port in 2023).

 

[Obeanie1]

Good summary.

Responses were pretty conservative and vanilla tbh.

And what flavor response would you prefer?

Triple choc and just talking sh*t.

Other clubs who are desperate for headlines seem to play out trade periods in the media. The Eagles do not.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

And what flavor response would you prefer?

Triple choc and just talking sh*t.

Other clubs who are desperate for headlines seem to play out trade periods in the media. The Eagles do not.

2022 Nisbett is honest about Brander and we roast him.
2023 ROB is more measured in his responses than Nisbett was and people want to also roast him.

Love this board.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Since splitting is all the rage - for the experts, what are our actual chances of arranging a successful split? Is it realistic? I don't think it's happened often in draft history for a pick right at the top end of the draft...

I'm certainly no expert, but my thoughts would be splitting pick 2 this year wouldn't have a much value as it did say last year.

Last year, removing father sons Diacos and Darcy, JHF was the clear first eligible pick and Callaghan was the clear second. Callaghan was highly rated and highly sought after. So I would expect pick 2 would've commanded two first round picks; say Pick 8 and 15.

This year, another father son that is clear number 1. After that Wardlaw is highly rated but injuries have lessened the desire to trade up for him IMO, same for Busslinger. Leaves Sheezel, who definitely will have some clubs wanting him but not like Callaghan. So I'd say Pick 6 and 25, would be good value this year!

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

TBH the thought of getting Meek excites me more than getting Jackson?

Tell freo they can have Jackson and we will bow out if they trade us meek for a good price

 

[Forward Press]

Tell freo they can have Jackson and we will bow out if they trade us meek for a good price

This is Freo, I doubt they'd Meek-ly roll over for us at the trade table.

 

[Forward Press]

I'm certainly no expert, but my thoughts would be splitting pick 2 this year wouldn't have a much value as it did say last year.

Last year, removing father sons Diacos and Darcy, JHF was the clear first eligible pick and Callaghan was the clear second. Callaghan was highly rated and highly sought after. So I would expect pick 2 would've commanded two first round picks; say Pick 8 and 15.

This year, another father son that is clear number 1. After that Wardlaw is highly rated but injuries have lessened the desire to trade up for him IMO, same for Busslinger. Leaves Sheezel, who definitely will have some clubs wanting him but not like Callaghan. So I'd say Pick 6 and 25, would be good value this year!

I know some will hate it but honestly 6 and 25 for 2? I'd take it, especially if we somehow conjure Jackson for just pick 6.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Tell freo they can have Jackson and we will bow out if they trade us meek for a good price

This is the smart play

 

[CountryLad]

Said this before but for those thinking we just split picks.
Word is crows will look to keep pick 5. So suns might have to take future picks from the crows. Suns with pick 5 and 7 is no certainty.

North have said they are interested in splitting picks and they have pick one plus benefit of possibly trading with lions over Ashcroft Father-Son. So it’s more attractive offer than our pick 2.

 

[Keys]

Said this before but for those thinking we just split picks.
Word is crows will look to keep pick 5. So suns might have to take future picks from the crows. Suns with pick 5 and 7 is no certainty.

North have said they are interested in splitting picks and they have pick one plus benefit of possibly trading with lions over Ashcroft Father-Son. So it’s more attractive offer than our pick 2.

Yep, as much as I’m a fan of splitting pick 2, the reasons for trading down to split picks are the same reasons why another club wouldn’t be willing to trade up

 

[Ochre]

Jackson being criminally underrated by some on here. Would do him for 2 in a heartbeat.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yep, as much as I’m a fan of splitting pick 2, the reasons for trading down to split picks are the same reasons why another club wouldn’t be willing to trade up

Keys - I thought draft picks were to be kept in a separate thread. Now I am confused!!!

 

[ziad]

Jackson being criminally underrated by some on here. Would do him for 2 in a heartbeat.

will you be quiet - he is a broken down dud - a second rounder is overpaying.

 

[Forward Press]

will you be quiet - he is a broken down dud - a second rounder is overpaying.

We're doing Melbourne a favour tbh, they should throw in Petracca as he also seems to be a broken down dud and we'll give them pick 2 for both.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Jackson being criminally underrated by some on here. Would do him for 2 in a heartbeat.

I'm wary of spending up big on a second fiddle hoping he can be the number one man.

I know he's young but he averages 10 hitouts a game supporting the best ruckman of his generation.

 

[Forward Press]

I'm wary of spending up big on a second fiddle hoping he can be the number one man.

I know he's young but he averages 10 hitouts a game supporting the best ruckman of his generation.

Naitanui started second fiddle averaging similar numbers supporting the best ruckman of his generation too.

If he said he wanted out in his third year you'd bet many clubs would be happy to part with a low first round pick for him.

 

[paran]

Tom Boyd was probably not too far off two top ten picks, though it was very debatable whether he was actually worth it. Griffen was 28 and only an All Australian and B&F only two years prior. In a solo deal I would imagine the Dogs would easily have gotten a top 15 pick for Griffen and possibly pushed into the top 10*. We paid 17 for Wellingham (which was slight overs) and he's not a prime midfielder nor even been close to an AA jumper.

It's probably more that we don't see this level of players put up for trade too often and when they do want to leave their original club they can usually do it by free agency.

The Shiel deal ended up being 9 + 14 for him + 42. In hindsight, Carlton got lucky that one fell through for them. Maybe he'd have stayed at his GWS level if he went to the Blues.


It'll be as much to drive the price up for Freo as much as anything. For example, if we can get them to also cough up their 2023 second-rounder to get Jackson over the line that might be the difference in us securing someone next year.

*Caveat: Can't remember if Griffen was battling injuries by this point.

Jud was pick 3 (Masten), JK (pick 5 previously), and pick 20 (Notte). That's arguably 2 x top 5 picks. For the best player in the game and team captain.

 

[Keys]

Jackson being criminally underrated by some on here. Would do him for 2 in a heartbeat.

Who’s the better footballer:

Jackson
Wardlaw
Sheezel
Tsatas
Cadman

Jackson comes with a higher contract price but that reflects the 3 years of not only development, but also evidence of his ability at AFL level

My main concern with Jackson is he doesn’t completely address our need to find a No.1 ruck when someone like Wardlaw, hamstrings notwithstanding, is very much the type of midfielder we need

If it was pick 2 alone I wouldn’t be throwing the toys out of the cot

 

[The Dodger]

Jackson being criminally underrated by some on here. Would do him for 2 in a heartbeat.

inb4dontwantotknowaboutyoursexlife

 

[ziad]

We're doing Melbourne a favour tbh, they should throw in Petracca as he also seems to be a broken down dud and we'll give them pick 2 for both.

see this man/woman/thing understands BF

 

[Bender_]

inb4dontwantotknowaboutyoursexlife

AKK Would Do Him for 2 title of your sex tape.

 

[Forward Press]

Who’s the better footballer:

Jackson
Wardlaw
Sheezel
Tsatas
Cadman

Jackson comes with a higher contract price but that reflects the 3 years of not only development, but also evidence of his ability at AFL level

My main concern with Jackson is he doesn’t completely address our need to find a No.1 ruck when someone like Wardlaw, hamstrings notwithstanding, is very much the type of midfielder we need

If it was pick 2 alone I wouldn’t be throwing the toys out of the cot

I think the actual evidence of his talent counts for more than you think.

Anyway, we all have different ideas on the value of picks and exposed form, and no matter what we think I'm sure most of us would be surprised if Jackson ends up in the blue and gold for 2023 - what we value him and are prepared to give up would be pretty far from what Melbourne value him and are prepared to accept.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Jud was pick 3 (Masten), JK (pick 5 previously), and pick 20 (Notte). That's arguably 2 x top 5 picks. For the best player in the game and team captain.

And I know this will probably start an argument, but it's a bit disingenuous to say JK was regarded as still worth a top 5 or even 10 pick at the time he was traded

 

[Deepthroat]

The Cap is a very interesting area for me.

On a very simple face value scenario, you could assume we have little room rolling into 2023, but I have done a bit more of a deep dive into my assumptions.

Let me caveat some of this by adding that information does come from a variety of sources (media, Bigfooty, other websites) but is best I can go with.

1) From media it seems we had 7 players who ate up around 40% of the cap (Nic, Shuey, Yeo, JD, Kelly, Gaff, Gov). This is based on 2022 payments.

2) The next 11 I have taking up around 30% of the cap (Barrass, Oscar, Dug, Hurn, SPS, Redden, Willie, Liam, Dom, Shepp, Witherden) of this years cap.

3) The remaining 27 players take up the final 30%.

Now when you look at retirements/trades/new contracts we should gain the following estimates next year:

JK Retire $250k

Shepp Retire $450k

Hurn new contract $50k

NN new contract $100k

Shuey new contract $250k

Rioli trade $300k

So on face value, we see $1.4M drop into our cap. Add the annual increase (3%?), another $400k on top of that.

So a $1.8M warchest. Where does it go? A lot of that middle group are locked into agreements so expecting no significant rise for them. Some kids will need small increases, but not enough to suck away more than $500k.

SO we have $1.3M or so. Hmmmm. We may just be quietly plotting a raid. Jackson is not out of the question when looking at this sort of bank.

Next year (2023), we should get another $500k back when Govs contract ends.

2024 is the biggie. Yeo, JD and Gaff. We could be looking at another $1.5M scenario. Good timing to top up when these kids have had a few years developing into the next challengers.

 

[Keys]

Keys - I thought draft picks were to be kept in a separate thread. Now I am confused!!!

The other thread is predominantly for discussion of draftees so people wanting to talk or read about them can do so there

Discussion around draft picks will overlap between the two threads which is kinda unavoidable

I’m also less concerned about what gets posted here than the draftee thread as I want that to be more of a resource