List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Godfather32]

Going in to this year, we (the Lions) had done this with Cam Ellis-Yoleman and Mathieson. So that moved $140k out of salary cap. Doesn't sound much, but if you've only got $500k spare under the salary cap, opening up an extra $140k can be enough to bring in a decent trade in.

Don't bother bringing this guy up, Dark Sharks would have NFI who he is

 

[briztoon]

Don't reckon we're any chance at landing Bowes, he's a Victorian so you would expect he'll prefer one of the suiters from Victoria.

He's from Cairns. last I looked, that was a fair way north of Victoria.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I still think CEY for Darling and our second could be beneficial for both clubs though, providing we have cap space.

 

[Bender_]

I still think CEY for Darling and our second could be beneficial for both clubs though, providing we have cap space.

You don't have a very clear idea of how calf raises work do you.

 

[squashface]

I still think CEY for Darling and our second could be beneficial for both clubs though, providing we have cap space.

Sadly our cap is still tied up with Mutimer’s payout

 

[Grahame]

I would rather (instead of playing Hunt)
a) pumping games into our youth
b) finding out if our borderline players are deadwood or not so we can cut them next year
c) play Gaff on a wing instead of on-ball

Getting in Hunt for basically 2-4 years will be at the expense (to varying degrees) of any if not all of the above.

I like it. And we could ‘manage’ the ageing champs to be mentors i.e. not all of them play every week.

Not sure about recruiting any players e.g. Hunt who are over about 26 as they won’t be around during our next dynasty.

 

[Grahame]

Sure, youth is critically important to us now more than ever, but gutting a list and going purely for youth

Doesn’t have to be ‘gutting the list’. We can explore youthful options as well keeping the older players as mentors. But maybe they just don’t play every game.

 

[shooshka]

Doesn’t have to be ‘gutting the list’. We can explore youthful options as well keeping the older players as mentors. But maybe they just don’t play every game.

Yep, which goes with what I was saying that a 27yo free agent isn't too old to bring in.

Avoiding anyone over 23/24 would be gutting the list essentially.

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[Farang83150]

Rowell and Anderson contracts currently end in 2023.

Gold Coast need to urgently clear salary cap space now in order to renew them.

Yeah I know, but some here saying we send a pick back if we get 7 and Bowes, haven't seen anything thing other than the Suns wanting to offload his salary.
So as far as I can see it 7 and Bowes with the club that takes him also picking up his heavily backloaded contract.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So is it correct to assume that posters are adverse to James Hunt at the club?

 

[Dylan82]

Yeah I know, but some here saying we send a pick back if we get 7 and Bowes, haven't seen anything thing other than the Suns wanting to offload his salary.
So as far as I can see it 7 and Bowes with the club that takes him also picking up his heavily backloaded contract.

Guess it depends on how many offers come Gold Coast's way and what kind of competition is created between clubs vying for picks.


No doubt Gold Coast see retaining Rowell and Anderson as a better outcome than whoever would be taken at any of the picks they currently have, so they are happy to trade out picks as a means of ensuring they can move unwanted contracts from their cap.

Still would be surprised if that pick 7 is involved, especially when they currently have a number of second rounders that won't be able to be used.

 

[WCE_phil]

Yeah I know, but some here saying we send a pick back if we get 7 and Bowes, haven't seen anything thing other than the Suns wanting to offload his salary.
So as far as I can see it 7 and Bowes with the club that takes him also picking up his heavily backloaded contract.

They will be wanting something back. Most likely in next years draft.

They are aiming to trade 2-3 players in so need to move out about 4-5 contracted players on inflated contracts.

I still think the best realistic option here if they are wanting to dump his contract is to offer to extend his contract, pay less than what is structured for 2023 and 2024 and have the 2 higher paying years in 2025 and 2026. He gets 4 guaranteed years instead of two.

We trade 2 as well as ours and ports future seconds for 5,7 and GC future first. We could get lucky and with us expected to finish last have it be ports future second and our future third.

It realistically means we'd probably need to lose Redden, Witherden, Nelson (already done) and Rioli.

Gives us 5,7,20,26 and 38 to go to the draft with this year and 2 likely top 10-12 picks next year with one likely top 4.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

They will be wanting something back. Most likely in next years draft.

They are aiming to trade 2-3 players in so need to move out about 4-5 contracted players on inflated contracts.

I still think the best realistic option here if they are wanting to dump his contract is to offer to extend his contract, pay less than what is structured for 2023 and 2024 and have the 2 higher paying years in 2025 and 2026. He gets 4 guaranteed years instead of two.

We trade 2 as well as ours and ports future seconds for 5,7 and GC future first. We could get lucky and with us expected to finish last have it be ports future second and our future third.

It realistically means we'd probably need to lose Redden, Witherden, Nelson (already done) and Rioli.

Gives us 5,7,20,26 and 38 to go to the draft with this year and 2 likely top 10-12 picks next year with one likely top 4.

I gave a same but different scenario but we need to embrace what we have as assets

1. List spots
2. Offer ok talent starting roles
3. A tight cap but loosens in 12 and then again in 24 months
4. A future cap about to grow with very few stars - few worthy of more than average $$ so we can open up space now (smooth and extend Bowes, Gov etc) knowing in 2024 it’s ok

5 = Cadman or Busslinger
7 = McKenzie Phillipou or Clarke
20 26 and 38 what we would have taken like Burgiel, Szykowski, Barnet, Hotton etc

2023 is the kicker with a top 4 plus another top 12 pick. A KPF or ruck and a class mid

 

[TerryFilk]

They will be wanting something back. Most likely in next years draft.

They are aiming to trade 2-3 players in so need to move out about 4-5 contracted players on inflated contracts.

I still think the best realistic option here if they are wanting to dump his contract is to offer to extend his contract, pay less than what is structured for 2023 and 2024 and have the 2 higher paying years in 2025 and 2026. He gets 4 guaranteed years instead of two.

We trade 2 as well as ours and ports future seconds for 5,7 and GC future first. We could get lucky and with us expected to finish last have it be ports future second and our future third.

It realistically means we'd probably need to lose Redden, Witherden, Nelson (already done) and Rioli.

Gives us 5,7,20,26 and 38 to go to the draft with this year and 2 likely top 10-12 picks next year with one likely top 4.

Yeah that’d be a dream like scenario, we’d probably have to take Bowes on too which I’d happily do

 

[maverick001]

GC want 2023 picks....I'd offer our 2023 2nd for Bowes (and all his salary) and pick 7.
We may even be able to get another pick in the 30's this year as GC won't be needing all of them!

If a player like Bowes, and last year Brodie, is on such significant coin they desperately need to jettison it, and doing so would offer significant relief, you do have to ask yourself what on earth the list managers at the Suns are doing. I know it's hard to retain players up there, but perhaps they should focus their attention (and cap space) on some better players

 

[maverick001]

Never heard of Bowes but just watched his highlights.

Looks classy.

Whoever gets him will have a ripper

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You've posted on here 30,000 times but never heard of Jack Bowes!?!?

 

[Avalor]

If a player like Bowes, and last year Brodie, is on such significant coin they desperately need to jettison it, and doing so would offer significant relief, you do have to ask yourself what on earth the list managers at the Suns are doing. I know it's hard to retain players up there, but perhaps they should focus their attention (and cap space) on some better players

Makes you wonder, yes. Another who hasn't been talked about is Will Powell, whom I really rate and would love to have with us. Recovering from an ACL at the moment, but an ex Claremont boy iirc, would he be a likely get?

 

[TerryFilk]

Makes you wonder, yes. Another who hasn't been talked about is Will Powell, whom I really rate and would love to have with us. Recovering from an ACL at the moment, but an ex Claremont boy iirc, would he be a likely get?

Definitely not, contracted for several more years and he LOVES it up there and they love him.

 

[shooshka]

They will be wanting something back. Most likely in next years draft.

They are aiming to trade 2-3 players in so need to move out about 4-5 contracted players on inflated contracts.

I still think the best realistic option here if they are wanting to dump his contract is to offer to extend his contract, pay less than what is structured for 2023 and 2024 and have the 2 higher paying years in 2025 and 2026. He gets 4 guaranteed years instead of two.

We trade 2 as well as ours and ports future seconds for 5,7 and GC future first. We could get lucky and with us expected to finish last have it be ports future second and our future third.

It realistically means we'd probably need to lose Redden, Witherden, Nelson (already done) and Rioli.

Gives us 5,7,20,26 and 38 to go to the draft with this year and 2 likely top 10-12 picks next year with one likely top 4.

That would be a great trade for us, but not sure GC would be keen (I think they hold their f1st so they can sell it to the highest bidder next year).

If Bowes and pick 7 are truly on the table we should absolutely get into the conversation and we should be able to put together a very compelling offer for GC. It may even turn into pick 5 if GC are set on Hollands, as he will still be there then.

Basically we should try to turn Rioli into Bowes + 7 (I.e. throw back a future 2nd). If need be we make that our future 2nd rather than Port's. We also have a future 3rd, plus 38 this year that we may not use if we bring in another high pick. 38 will get us another F3rd from a high or mid table team.

Gc's desire for future picks will make these sorts of offers attractive, we just need to be the most inventive (along with convincing Bowes to move west, which will clearly be the biggest challenge).

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[Get_The_Gaff]

Jack Bowes must be on a seriously bloated contract if they are willing to give up pick 7 as well to dump him.

Seen 800k x 2 years floating around as his contract.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

He's from Cairns. last I looked, that was a fair way north of Victoria.

Ok ok, I made a mistake.
You're like the 5th person to correct me.

I'm sorry! Ok?

 

[squashface]

Ok ok, I made a mistake.
You're like the 5th person to correct me.

I'm sorry! Ok?

Hey campaigner

He’s from Cairns

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

They will be wanting something back. Most likely in next years draft.

They are aiming to trade 2-3 players in so need to move out about 4-5 contracted players on inflated contracts.

I still think the best realistic option here if they are wanting to dump his contract is to offer to extend his contract, pay less than what is structured for 2023 and 2024 and have the 2 higher paying years in 2025 and 2026. He gets 4 guaranteed years instead of two.

We trade 2 as well as ours and ports future seconds for 5,7 and GC future first. We could get lucky and with us expected to finish last have it be ports future second and our future third.

It realistically means we'd probably need to lose Redden, Witherden, Nelson (already done) and Rioli.

Gives us 5,7,20,26 and 38 to go to the draft with this year and 2 likely top 10-12 picks next year with one likely top 4.

If GC are offering Bowes + 7 as a salary dump, the trade is effectively #2 + 2xF2nds for 5 & F1st.

If we finish bottom 4 and GC push near top 8, it's not much of a downgrade from their future 1st to our future 2nd.

I think this could be a win win, though don't be surprised to see a bidding war for the Bowes+7 trade happen.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Now that is a draft haul, that if we landed on Draft Night................. I would need tissues for.

I imagine you'll be needing tissues draft night regardless of who we actually draft.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Actually with Rioli going it makes sense, Jones can go back forward where his brain farts don’t cost nearly as much… hunts kicking for the year was 73%, Jones 66%. Instant upgrade and solves a problem.

Hunt doesn't actually get the ball though. Jones has a far greater upside. Think he did fairly well for being switched to half back for the first time mid season.

If we actually have some forward structures to kick to think he'll be dynamite with a preseason practicing in the role..