List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 31/10/24) ...

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[EdCurnowRules]

I just don’t get how clubs can demand anything for OOC players. To me once the contract has expired, that’s it, end of commitment… if the club doesn’t want the player it’s a hand shake, maybe a thankyou, now piss off…

and why would MFC get any compensation at all for Hunt? Unrestricted Free Agent - same question…

Rioli should be able to walk. Jackson should be able to walk into the best deal he can get

My two bobs worth

 

[Eagletime]

Interesting that the premiers and best list management team going around think it's worth pursuing, and from all reports we haven't even picked up the phone



He's a good solid player who's played off halfback and is keen to play through the middle. Def not a spud, easily be in our 22. The reports are it would cost a future 2nd and the cap space for him and pick 7. No need to include pick 2.

Seems old school thinking not to even make a call imo

Surprised no one in Victoria is asking how Geelong can afford 700,000 for a nobody after being premiers

I also wander what Joel Selwood feels about his salary sacrifices so Geelong can pay Bowes a monster contract. Seems dirty on the players at the club really

 

[Eagletime]

I just don’t get how clubs can demand anything for OOC players. To me once the contract has expired, that’s it, end of commitment… if the club doesn’t want the player it’s a hand shake, maybe a thankyou, now piss off…

and why would MFC get any compensation at all for Hunt? Unrestricted Free Agent - same question…

Rioli should be able to walk. Jackson should be able to walk into the best deal he can get

My two bobs worth

North Melbourne sitting at the table of that rule being made

“Great, now I’ll never get to finish higher then 17th”

Would destroy the smaller clubs if trades went thst way

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The issue is we haven’t even tried to go after Bowes and Bowes probably doesn’t want to come to WA sadly, it sucks because it was a perfect opportunity to net a quality high pick

How do you know we haven’t even tried?

Is this because some donkeys on Trade Radio said so?

Unless you have inside information, please don’t mix up outcome with actions.

 

[amazingjoshy]

He obviously isnt interested in playing in WA and wants to play in Vic.

Is that hard to understand?

Of course we asked. Why wouldnt we?

Ryan Daniels and Mark Duffield both said on their various pods that we didn't even make a call.

That's what I was going on.

Is that hard to understand?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I just don’t get how clubs can demand anything for OOC players. To me once the contract has expired, that’s it, end of commitment… if the club doesn’t want the player it’s a hand shake, maybe a thankyou, now piss off…

and why would MFC get any compensation at all for Hunt? Unrestricted Free Agent - same question…

Rioli should be able to walk. Jackson should be able to walk into the best deal he can get

My two bobs worth

Because clubs have to make massive investments in players to get them from draft day to the day they become high quality AFL players. Including the draft pick. If a player that the club wants to keep leaves then the club deserves to get a return on it's investment. Otherwise why bother investing in and developing players? Why not just go and waive money in the face of a player another club spent a draft pick, 5 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs developing?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Ryan Daniels and Mark Duffield both said on their various pods that we didn't even make a call.

That's what I was going on.

Is that hard to understand?

It is not that kind of thing we do. I can't remember the last time we paid overs in terms of contract value to get an import to our club. It does cause angst in your playing group when you do it. It makes it hard to sell a message of everybody taking less than they could get elsewhere to keep the group together. I can understand the argument. But nobody has taken unders at our club any time recently anyway and we are in such desperate straights that i think we should be being prepared to p*** the playing group off and have a go anyway. As long as we don't make a habit of it.

 

[EdCurnowRules]

Because clubs have to make massive investments in players to get them from draft day to the day they become high quality AFL players. Including the draft pick. If a player that the club wants to keep leaves then the club deserves to get a return on it's investment. Otherwise why bother investing in and developing players? Why not just go and waive money in the face of a player another club spent a draft pick, 5 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs developing?

Stop using logic and reason against my ignorance

 

[ukurrie]

Surprised no one in Victoria is asking how Geelong can afford 700,000 for a nobody after being premiers

The whole conversation for the last month has been how Geelong are able to convince players to take lower deals due to the lifestyle and playing finals three out of every four years. So, there isn't really a lot of surprise that they will continue to do what has worked for them before.

 

[Free Agent]

Surprised no one in Victoria is asking how Geelong can afford 700,000 for a nobody after being premiers

I also wander what Joel Selwood feels about his salary sacrifices so Geelong can pay Bowes a monster contract. Seems dirty on the players at the club really

Especially when Bowes rocks up in a Lamborghini to training.

I can imagine Geelong to Bowes trade discussion. We will pay you 700k but because we salary cut a lot of senior players, you have to come to training in a 1999 Toyota Corolla with at least 100k on the clock. No smart clothes. No Expensive watches. Just trackies and no name Kmart clothes thanks

If they find out we paid you 700k we going have culture issues so play the poor card kid.

 

[ukurrie]

Because clubs have to make massive investments in players to get them from draft day to the day they become high quality AFL players. Including the draft pick. If a player that the club wants to keep leaves then the club deserves to get a return on it's investment. Otherwise why bother investing in and developing players? Why not just go and waive money in the face of a player another club spent a draft pick, 5 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs developing?

I'm not completely against the compensation pick but it is an outlier in sport where there is a draft system. I'd prefer that the first contract of a draftee is much longer so that a club does get the return on investment.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Surprised no one in Victoria is asking how Geelong can afford 700,000 for a nobody after being premiers

I also wander what Joel Selwood feels about his salary sacrifices so Geelong can pay Bowes a monster contract. Seems dirty on the players at the club really

Probably completely understanding given that his (and others) sacrifices also allowed the club to grab Cameron who they wouldn't have won a flag without

 

[Tyberious Funk]

I am getting a bit of a buzz that several highly rated players such as Kelly, Jackson and JHF are returning to their home states after a very short term at their respective Vic clubs. Whilst I doubt it will happen I do hope they will have second thoughts when looking to pillage kids from WA and SA in coming drafts.

I don't think you can underestimate the impact of COVID and lockdowns, particularly here in Victoria. I know that doesn't apply in Kelly's case, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't a factor for Jackson and JHF.

 

[Forward Press]

Haven’t been keeping up but the outrage about Thomas in that thread is pretty overblown imo. Screams of PAdman on here years ago blaming all our woes on the fact a few players had long hair and beards. Daresay if it wasn’t a fashion oriented social media post no one would even have batted an eyelid.

Anywho - is he asking for a trade? Super talented. Agree with others that we are not the right environment for him

The post was made a few minutes after the game ended. Not a good look even if you do have a soft spot for the Ben Simmons types.

He has indeed apparently put in a request but Gold Coast are favoured to grab him if he leaves.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I'm not completely against the compensation pick but it is an outlier in sport where there is a draft system. I'd prefer that the first contract of a draftee is much longer so that a club does get the return on investment.

I think the best solution is that for players that you draft and develop then only 50% of the money counts in the salary cap to compensate the club for the development costs. Once they go to another club it is 100% in the cap. Or something like that. Ensures that players that want to leave the club that drafted them are not just leaving for money.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Agreed.

Maybe we don't have the cap space. And if we don't then maybe that is a lesson for all the posters on here who believe and argue that cap space doesn't matter.

The other issue whoever picks him up would have to contend with is discontent within their own playing group at bringing in a player on big coin which is overs for what they are worth. You will need to tell them that a) they should worry about their own contracts and not those of others, and b) that the contract was signed by their previous club not us, and that it was the price for getting a quality player without giving up any draft picks for them c) it is only for a few years until the current contract expires and then they will get paid based on what their form dictates at the time, just like everybody else.

But in the case of our club the senior players would be pretty brave to whinge about importing players on "overs" in terms of contract considering that basically none of them seem to have been asked to take "unders". Most of them are on contracts that other clubs would refuse to take on based on current form too.

Fair chance this holds the forum record for most hypotheticals created, and then outraged by, in a single post.

Every club he’s been linked with is Victorian. Even acknowledging the Eagles as the stupidest, dumbest flogs going around who should all be sacked, every other non Vic has also seemingly been too lazy/cowardly/jealous of his salary to pick up the phone and call him too it would appear.

That, or he just wants to go to Victoria.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

EAGLES COULD SPLIT PICK 2 FOR JACKSON

West Coast remains in the mix for Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

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23

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199cm

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102kg

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2star

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1star

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5.0

4star

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1.5

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1.0

3star

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0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

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8.3

3star

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3.3

2star

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5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

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1.0

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0.3

3star

, revealing it’s open to splitting its Pick 2 to strike a deal for the Demons young gun.

Although Jackson requested a trade back to Western Australia to either club, Fremantle is considered the frontrunner for his services on a mooted seven-year deal worth north of $6 million.

The Demons are expected to demand two first-round picks including one in the top 10 back in a trade for the 21-year old, which could put the Eagles in a stronger position to land him if they’re willing to split their Pick 2.

Speaking to reporters on Monday, Eagles recruiter Rohan O’Brien says the club is still “keen” to bring Jackson in.

“We’ll just keep in contact with Luke and his management and Melbourne in particular to see what that looks like,” he said, per the West Australian.

Giants exploring players and picks in Hopper deal; Eagles open to splitting Pick 2 for Jackson: Trade Whispers

Giants’ demands for star; Eagles still eyeing Jackson as shock Pick 2 move revealed: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[FKASC]

The post was made a few minutes after the game ended. Not a good look even if you do have a soft spot for the Ben Simmons types.

He has indeed apparently put in a request but Gold Coast are favoured to grab him if he leaves.

Not a good look (although people who use social media for promotional purposes do schedule social media posts in advance / have social media managers) but hardly worth the hyperbole in that thread. People saying his career is done and that no team would ever pick him up, etc.

GC would be crazy to pay him given the players they’ve been giving away

 

[amazingjoshy]

Every club he’s been linked with is Victorian. Even acknowledging the Eagles as the stupidest, dumbest flogs going around who should all be sacked, every other non Vic has also seemingly been too lazy/cowardly/jealous of his salary to pick up the phone and call him too it would appear.

That, or he just wants to go to Victoria.

He's also been linked to Brissy

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Fair chance this holds the forum record for most hypotheticals created, and then outraged by, in a single post.

Every club he’s been linked with is Victorian. Even acknowledging the Eagles as the stupidest, dumbest flogs going around who should all be sacked, every other non Vic has also seemingly been too lazy/cowardly/jealous of his salary to pick up the phone and call him too it would appear.

That, or he just wants to go to Victoria.

In all the media space devoted to it and all the public statements made have you seen any by the club or the player saying that only Victorian clubs will be considered?

 

[Dale Doback]

Yeah, I have a few weeks back at the end of August. I actually spent most of the game specifically watching him and what he did off the ball. This was my post from the day after:

Cheers for that. I watched Hewett's highlights and read Twomey's breakdown of his game. He kicks on both feet, has a nice step but he might be getting by on talent though. Does he have any impact in the centre clearance?

 

[Forward Press]

Not a good look (although people who use social media for promotional purposes do schedule social media posts in advance / have social media managers) but hardly worth the hyperbole in that thread. People saying his career is done and that no team would ever pick him up, etc.

GC would be crazy to pay him given the players they’ve been giving away

This was definitely not done in advance, it was a direct reply to some other knob having a go at him during half time of that game.

Yeah I'm thinking the move doesn't get done, his trade currency is almost at its lowest and North will be backing themselves to turn him around in 2023. A part of me though wants him and North to go down in flames.

 

[FKASC]

This was definitely not done in advance, it was a direct reply to some other knob having a go at him during half time of that game.

I was referring to his original Instagram post not his narky reply to that comment. I assumed the photo he posted was done 10 mins after the game, not the reply, and people were melting over the fact he was posting photos post-game

Either way, not really relevant to this thread so I’ll leave it there

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

In the absence of any reports about whether we’ve had a go at Bowes, we just have to guess whether the club has approached him or not. Maybe we have and got knocked back, maybe we didn’t even ask.

I choose to guess that we haven’t, as that way I can get more outraged. And anyone who guesses the other way is clearly wrong.

 

[Schtinker]

This was definitely not done in advance, it was a direct reply to some other knob having a go at him during half time of that game.

Yeah I'm thinking the move doesn't get done, his trade currency is almost at its lowest and North will be backing themselves to turn him around in 2023. A part of me though wants him and North to go down in flames.

I think the media around the Clarkson allegations set in motion a chain of events that will certainly bite NM in regards to player retention.