List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[Eastcoasteagle]

33 for Rioli is reasonable in my books. We are not getting screwed on this.

2, 20, 26, 33, 40 a good draft hand.

Considering we selected Hough (31) and Bazzo (37) we have shown we can extract some solid Best 22 future depth with Picks outside the obvious early choices.

We should have at least 3 players from this draft in our next premiership side.

Only issue in this draft, is talent starts to drop from 25 onward. At 27, always a few sliders so still a good position.

33, more of a risk IMO. Last years draft there was plenty of good options, less so this. I'd prefer next years 2nd.

 

[eagles rule]

Honestly would Port even care? Surely no other club would take him based on his history and desire to go to SA.Port then get him for free. Would rather pick 33 or whatever it is than get nothing to prove a point no one's scared of?

It may even be the Pick 43 offered everyone is guessing or hoping its Pick 33 ..

 

[Altum Volantes]

Melbourne want the Griffin Logue F2 NM draft pick in addition to 2022 (13) + 2023 F1 for Luke Jackson .
Feathers sitting on the edge right now big decision for Freo .

If that’s all it takes, then Freo jump at that you’d think?

 

[new breed]

That seems reasonable. Maybe Melbourne’s future second back to Freo?

Seems very reasonable although NM PP F2 could be pretty good for Melbourne.
Understood that's Melbourne's request ......edit NM PP F2 .
Eagles offer hasn't been mentioned maybe we had trouble with Port Adelaide .
Maybe Melbourne give something extra I'm not sure Freo will accept .

 

[Spooky17]

I think 27 was fair, but 33 is not satisfactory by itself. It will get pushed back several spots by compos and FS/academy bids.

Would Rioli and 26 for Georgie boy be more palatable?

 

[ziad]

I think 27 was fair, but 33 is not satisfactory by itself. It will get pushed back several spots by compos and FS/academy bids.

Would Rioli and 26 for Georgie boy be more palatable?

do we need him or is he a WA boy that stands out as a bargaining tool.

me I would take him but thats based on very limited observations.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Let us put Ebert to the side.

Did Port pay us substantially more with pick 26 to get us to slide from 12 to 14?

I know draft points are not the be all but I personally thought we got a bargain.

If those wanting to be pricks and walk Rioli to the PSD because 27 is now 33, I think we look at the big picture.

Pick 33 will still get us someone for the calibre like Gilbey, Jones, Broadbent, Cleaver, Gruzewski, K Smith .....

I think there is an evenness from about 25 to 40.

Alternatively, on draft night Sydney might be prepared to drop back from 14 or 17 to 20 if given pick 33.

 

[TerryFilk]

Pick 13, a late first and an early future 2nd is not enough for Luke Jackson

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, the Dees would not take that imo

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Let us put Ebert to the side.

Did Port pay us substantially more with pick 26 to get us to slide from 12 to 14?
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I know draft points are not the be all but I personally thought we got a bargain.

If those wanting to be pricks and walk Rioli to the PSD because 27 is now 33, I think we look at the big picture.

Pick 33 will still get us someone for the calibre like Gilbey, Jones, Broadbent, Cleaver, Gruzewski, K Smith .....

I think there is an evenness from about 25 to 40.

Alternatively, on draft night Sydney might be prepared to drop back from 14 or 17 to 20 if given pick 33.

It turned out very well for us, but I don’t think they were expecting to miss finals this year. They would have expected that pick 26 to be somewhere in the 30s.

 

[Bacchus]

I think 27 was fair, but 33 is not satisfactory by itself. It will get pushed back several spots by compos and FS/academy bids.

Would Rioli and 26 for Georgie boy be more palatable?

PA think they can poach Rioli with an oversized, generous contract and then virtually get him for free because we are such weak traders. Sadly, they are correct with all these assumptions.

Amongst our many other re-structures we need a hard nosed list manager.

 

[DanWCE]

Bit of gambling going on with Freos future. List turned over, tougher draw. Hard to see if that deal stacks up. Feels like Melbourne should pay back a little. Kangas F2 will basically be a super late first round pick.

 

[new breed]

Pick 13, a late first and an early future 2nd is not enough for Luke Jackson, the Dees would not take that imo

Quoted it wrong it's two first round picks Melbourne want plus Frematle F2 (NM PP , Griffin Logue ) .

 

[shooshka]

Pick 13, a late first and an early future 2nd is not enough for Luke Jackson, the Dees would not take that imo

If Melbourne take that I'm sure Bell will throw in a free feather or two from his cap - he'll be collecting them! (essentially paying 13, future 1st and Griffin Logue for Jackson.... massive unders).

That said, if Freo can find a way to upgrade 13 into say 7 or 8 in the draft then I think Melbourne go for the deal. Not sure what that would cost them (or who would go for it) but that would be a good path forward.

 

[DanWCE]

If Melbourne take that I'm sure Bell will throw in a free feather or two from his cap - he'll be collecting them! (essentially paying 13, future 1st and Griffin Logue for Jackson.... massive unders).

That said, if Freo can find a way to upgrade 13 into say 7 or 8 in the draft then I think Melbourne go for the deal. Not sure what that would cost them (or who would go for it) but that would be a good path forward.

Freo got overs for Logue, though. Based on the ridiculous contract he's getting that pick is fair, but Norf are paying both Freo and Logue on potential and basically just because someone wanted to join their club.

 

[Inside Bull]

If/when Brisbane lands Gunston is that McStay pick likely to slide? Is there still a rule where the pick is diluted?

 

[shooshka]

Freo got overs for Logue, though. Based on the ridiculous contract he's getting that pick is fair, but Norf are paying both Freo and Logue on potential and basically just because someone wanted to join their club.

True, and there is a significant amount of paying Jackson on potential also (wage plus trade) - of course the ceiling is higher!

But yeah, I wouldn't take 13, Nominally 13/14 in 2023 plus nominally 20 in 2023 (noting this one can only get worse, no way can it become a better pick).


TBF though, there is definitely a chance that Freo's future 1st plus that Nth PP gets a pick in the 5-10 range in this draft. Maybe Melbourne are happy to take on that risk/benefit in lieu of a top-10 pick (i.e. guaranteed 13 this year, and try to trade Freo's F1st plus North F2nd PP for an early pick this year).

Maybe Port bite at that for their pick 8? Gives them 2 x 1sts (future - theirs and Freo's) for Dunkley, then their F2nd to us for Rioli (very unlikely we would get the Nth PP I think). They should get something back for the Dunkley deal also (either 30, or the dogs future 2nd... and one of those might become the Rioli trade also)


Would end up being 8+13 for Jackson which is about right?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If/when Brisbane lands Gunston is that McStay pick likely to slide? Is there still a rule where the pick is diluted?

Teams will do a Mitchell/Lewis type deal for a late pick, because a free agency move would hurt Brisbane’s McStay compo and give nothing to Hawthorn, who already brought in Amon as a FA.

 

[shooshka]

If/when Brisbane lands Gunston is that McStay pick likely to slide? Is there still a rule where the pick is diluted?

Yes if they take him as a FA.

I think they will trade for him - get a pick they can't or won't use as part of their selling off 15 (or nominally worth more points, but not really useful) and give that to the Hawks.

A lot of teams won't value 45-onwards picks this year, so they should be able to get a few pretty easily and pass it through to the Hawks.

 

[Dark Sharks]

33 for Rioli is reasonable in my books. We are not getting screwed on this.

2, 20, 26, 33, 40 a good draft hand.

Considering we selected Hough (31) and Bazzo (37) we have shown we can extract some solid Best 22 future depth with Picks outside the obvious early choices.

We should have at least 3 players from this draft in our next premiership side.

Only issue in this draft, is talent starts to drop from 25 onward. At 27, always a few sliders so still a good position.

33, more of a risk IMO. Last years draft there was plenty of good options, less so this. I'd prefer next years 2nd.

Exactly.

This is a shit draft. Anything after 30 is going to be fairly speculative. We don't want to be taking picksnin that range or loading up with late 2nds or 3rd.

What is top 30-50 range here was 50-70 quality in other drafts.

If anything I'd be bundling 26, 33 and 39 for a mid teens pick if possible and trying to go in with 2, 15, 20 and 77. Three high end picks and one late for Broadbent.

 

[eagles rule]

mmm

True, and there is a significant amount of paying Jackson on potential also (wage plus trade) - of course the ceiling is higher!

But yeah, I wouldn't take 13, Nominally 13/14 in 2023 plus nominally 20 in 2023 (noting this one can only get worse, no way can it become a better pick).


TBF though, there is definitely a chance that Freo's future 1st plus that Nth PP gets a pick in the 5-10 range in this draft. Maybe
Melbourne are happy to take on that risk/benefit in lieu of a top-10 pick (i.e. guaranteed 13 this year, and try to trade Freo's F1st plus North F2nd PP for an early pick this year).

Maybe Port bite at that for their pick 8? Gives them 2 x 1sts (future - theirs and Freo's) for Dunkley, then their F2nd to us for Rioli (very unlikely we would get the Nth PP I think). They should get something back for the Dunkley deal also (either 30, or the dogs future 2nd... and one of those might become the Rioli trade also)


Would end up being 8+13 for Jackson which is about right?

Port need picks for JHF not Dunkley ..

 

[Inside Bull]

Teams will do a Mitchell/Lewis type deal for a late pick, because a free agency move would hurt Brisbane’s McStay compo and give nothing to Hawthorn, who already brought in Amon as a FA.

Yep, thanks. Makes sense. I thought that, just the media keep referring to it as a free agent move with no mention of the way the deal will probably be done

 

[DanWCE]

True, and there is a significant amount of paying Jackson on potential also (wage plus trade) - of course the ceiling is higher!

But yeah, I wouldn't take 13, Nominally 13/14 in 2023 plus nominally 20 in 2023 (noting this one can only get worse, no way can it become a better pick).


TBF though, there is definitely a chance that Freo's future 1st plus that Nth PP gets a pick in the 5-10 range in this draft. Maybe Melbourne are happy to take on that risk/benefit in lieu of a top-10 pick (i.e. guaranteed 13 this year, and try to trade Freo's F1st plus North F2nd PP for an early pick this year).

Maybe Port bite at that for their pick 8? Gives them 2 x 1sts (future - theirs and Freo's) for Dunkley, then their F2nd to us for Rioli (very unlikely we would get the Nth PP I think). They should get something back for the Dunkley deal also (either 30, or the dogs future 2nd... and one of those might become the Rioli trade also)


Would end up being 8+13 for Jackson which is about right?

I think Freos F1 could be better than this year's 13. They found that sweet spot where everything works well this year. Career years from the supporting troops, guys like Pearce finally getting continuity, playing better footy without their injured flog of a captain, non-finals draw.

Its conceivable that with a harder draw in 2023, the loss of some players who played good footy and less synergy with the new recruits, that they slip a little. Could be a top 10 pick there they give up, which means adding pick 20 on top is a bit much.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Let us put Ebert to the side.

Did Port pay us substantially more with pick 26 to get us to slide from 12 to 14?
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I know draft points are not the be all but I personally thought we got a bargain.

Forgive me if my recollections of this draft are off but looking at that draft Sinn was considered a genuine top 10 talent and rightly or wrongly I'm of a pretty firm belief Hobbs didn't want to leave Victoria.

Subsequent picks: Hobbs, Chesser (above expectation), Aleer (above expectation), Wilmot, Brown, Sheldrick, Van Rooyan, Lohmann.

I don't think it's unreasonable looking at this that there was a fairly solid forecasted drop off in assessed quality for needs from port following Sinn, we were a fair bit higher on Chesser than alot of forecasts from memory of the melts. So I don't particularly see us unreasonable making out like bandits on that deal for what port were perceiving they were getting when looking at the hit/miss rates of that pick 31 surplus.

Richmond just paid 12 and 19 for Taranto, slightly different given GWS can't afford him but ignoring the change in the latter picks I'd consider the second rounder included in the Kelly trade on top of the two first rounders a fairly solid premium between those two trades. Now, I consider taking 33 for Rioli the arse end of our initial expectations.

If we're willing to pay premiums to bring required non-free agent players in, I think we should expect the same from other clubs trying take take our required non-free agent players away instead of taking the arse end of both sides of the deal.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Teams will do a Mitchell/Lewis type deal for a late pick, because a free agency move would hurt Brisbane’s McStay compo and give nothing to Hawthorn, who already brought in Amon as a FA.

This is why Free Agency ‘Compensation’ is a complete farce and must go.

Brisbane’s ‘compensation’ is that they are gaining cap space and using that to bring Gunston onto their list.

Melbourne are letting Hunt walk to WCE and they have more room to bring in Grundy.

They don’t need to be compensated any further.

 

[Schtinker]

26, 33 and 40 would still get us 15 and Dev Robertson (Pick 31) if Brisbane really want the points.

Leave us with Picks 2,15 and 20 at the draft.