List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[GWeagles]

Just re-draft the prick at number 2 in the PSD and watch the sparks fly. AFLPA would have a seizure but they couldn't do anything about it without running the risk of destroying the draft.

I think we could make better use of the salary than on a bloke who wouldn’t come to training. We would end up paying him most of the first year of his contract to move him on.

 

[Schtinker]

We actually have 5 main list spots available and if Hurn does a Redden we’ll have 6

I'm Counting only 3 available. Jones just signed a contract extension. Even if he's still on the Rookie list it leaves us with 4.

1.Ryan
2.Waterman
3.Gaff
4.Sheed
5.Yeo
6.Langdon
7.Naitanui
8.Petrevski-Seton
9.Kelly
10.Allen
11.Shuey
12.Duggan
13.Cripps.
14.L.Edwards
15.Chesser
16.Hough
17.McGovern
18.Petrucelle
19.Winder
20.Witherden
21.O'Neill
22.Hurn
23.Darling
24.Cole
25.Foley
26.Jones
27.Hunt
28.B.Williams
29.Bazzo
30.J.Williams
31.Rotham
32.Barrass
33.Clark
34.Jamieson
35.H.Edwards
Rookie 1.Culley
Rookie 2.Trew
Rookie 3.West

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Just re-draft the prick at number 2 in the PSD and watch the sparks fly. AFLPA would have a seizure but they couldn't do anything about it without running the risk of destroying the draft.

The whole point is we didn't want to match the port offer with length and conditions.

If we did redraft rioli he would get that large contract and no behaviour conditions

 

[joeyavalanche]

If Port offered the Amon compo pick 27 for Rioli and then we were counter offering for something more and then they traded 27 whilst negotiating then it’s a real dick move by Port.

It’s only 6 picks later but if the best option is Port’s pick 33 I’d almost let Junior walk to the PSD and join the rabble at North


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[jesterwester]

The way I see any young rucks, whether that is drafting or trading is that you are really bringing them in for the player they will be at 25, not 20. They need time, and physical development to be able to cope with the physical demands, week in, week out.

Jackson is already showing at 21 he’s ahead of that curve, and should be hitting his prime much earlier than most key rucks. His second half of the year was a bit down but in retrospect how much of that was due to his contract talk remains to be seen.

Which, if we have a couple of years rebuilding (at minimum) he will be entering his prime physical years right as we start to re-challenge again.

Fully appreciate he is off to freo, and they are going to turn him into a taller version of the wingman Brander we tried to create. But I think if we are any legitimate chance to get him to us we should be looking at all avenues, which it seems the club is doing. He’d be the perfect fit for us with Nic at the end of his career and Williams and Jamieson no guarantees.

 

[Keys]

I'm Counting only 3 available. Jones just signed a contract extension. Even if he's still on the Rookie list it leaves us with 4.

1.Ryan
2.Waterman
3.Gaff
4.Sheed
5.Yeo
6.Langdon
7.Naitanui
8.Petrevski-Seton
9.Kelly
10.Allen
11.Shuey
12.Duggan
13.Cripps.
14.L.Edwards
15.Chesser
16.Hough
17.McGovern
18.Petrucelle
19.Winder
20.Witherden
21.O'Neill
22.Hurn
23.Darling
24.Cole
25.Foley
26.Jones
27.Hunt
28.B.Williams
29.Bazzo
30.J.Williams
31.Rotham
32.Barrass
33.Clark
34.Jamieson
35.H.Edwards
Rookie 1.Culley
Rookie 2.Trew
Rookie 3.West

Winder and Witherden have not been offered a contract yet so that’s how I get to 5 main list spots.

West and Trew also are yet to be contracted for next year

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I'm Counting only 3 available. Jones just signed a contract extension. Even if he's still on the Rookie list it leaves us with 4.

1.Ryan
2.Waterman
3.Gaff
4.Sheed
5.Yeo
6.Langdon
7.Naitanui
8.Petrevski-Seton
9.Kelly
10.Allen
11.Shuey
12.Duggan
13.Cripps.
14.L.Edwards
15.Chesser
16.Hough
17.McGovern
18.Petrucelle
19.Winder
20.Witherden
21.O'Neill
22.Hurn
23.Darling
24.Cole
25.Foley
26.Jones
27.Hunt
28.B.Williams
29.Bazzo
30.J.Williams
31.Rotham
32.Barrass
33.Clark
34.Jamieson
35.H.Edwards
Rookie 1.Culley
Rookie 2.Trew
Rookie 3.West

Don’t believe Jones can be on the rookie list any longer, believe he has been elevated to main list for whatever difference that makes nowadays.

 

[Schtinker]

Pick 33 could still get us someone like Darcy Jones, Jed Hagan, Ed Allan, Cleaver, Sam Gilbey or the Ruckman Broadbent. All players that could be anything or might be nothing but the potential is there. Still wouldn't be as happy as pick 27 though.

 

[BM005]

Is it a possibility that we somehow get Marshall or Georgiades out of this Rioli trade rather than the pick 33?

Would most likely require an addition of pick 20/26.

 

[Keys]

Is it a possibility that we somehow get Marshall or Georgiades out of this Rioli trade rather than the pick 33?

Would most likely require an addition of pick 20/26.

Very unlikely

 

[30stm3891]

has been very quiet....

 

[Bestbird]

Is it a possibility that we somehow get Marshall or Georgiades out of this Rioli trade rather than the pick 33?

Would most likely require an addition of pick 20/26.

Make a play for Georgiades next year as at this stage he will be out of contract in 2023

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Make a play for Georgiades next year as at this stage he will be out of contract in 2023

And tell Port we’ll be walking him straight to the PSD based on their negotiation tactics this year.

 

[mulehoops]

And tell Port we’ll be walking him straight to the PSD based on their negotiation tactics this year.

Honestly would Port even care? Surely no other club would take him based on his history and desire to go to SA.Port then get him for free. Would rather pick 33 or whatever it is than get nothing to prove a point no one's scared of?

 

[ziad]

The whole point is we didn't want to match the port offer with length and conditions.

If we did redraft rioli he would get that large contract and no behaviour conditions

Spot on. I am of the view that we are better off long term with him gone, bad apple and a burden.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Honestly would Port even care? Surely no other club would take him based on his history and desire to go to SA.Port then get him for free. Would rather pick 33 or whatever it is than get nothing to prove a point no one's scared of?

Depends if it’s a learning experience/sends a message to future teams trading with us or not. If we get no value out of it then probably not but I don't really consider pick 33 in this draft to be a huge sacrifice.

If we take 33 (in a notably weak draft) I think it'll be a case of Port paying probably an adequate open market value for Rioli without the premium we desire for taking a required player away from us.

In the case of Kelly and now Rioli if we were to settle for 33 I'd suggest we've probably gotten the weaker end of the trade as a result of doing what it takes to achieve a desired outcome while dealing with clubs that see themselves as having to win trades at all costs instead of a balanced trade being a win for both teams and future trading relations (like we have garned previously with Sydney and Brisbane).

In the next 2-3 years we're about to start shedding heavy contracts and become a team that are able to become more active trading in players again and I'd like not only for the league to have the knowledge we're willing to turn our back on an unreasonable club but also be equally ruthless to clubs like Geelong, Port, Essendon who just see player movements as the opportunity to trade rape other clubs. My first port of call would be Mitch Georgiades' manager day one next year with an offer equal to Rioli's and pending a low finish in 2023 offer a third round pick or walk him straight to the PSD.

Perhaps this is an overly emotional response but I don't think it's unreasonable given what the club has been through over the past 3 years and at least has some consideration to a desired future outcome instead of just a toys out the cot.

 

[mulehoops]

Respect your post, I just think just because we don't go to PSD on this occasion it doesn't mean we can't do it in the future. It's not like Port have offered pick 60 and said take it or leave it, otherwise I would agree with you. Think pick 33 is enough for Rioli to do the trade and at least get something rather than nothing in return.

 

[Deepthroat]

33 for Rioli is reasonable in my books. We are not getting screwed on this.

2, 20, 26, 33, 40 a good draft hand.

Considering we selected Hough (31) and Bazzo (37) we have shown we can extract some solid Best 22 future depth with Picks outside the obvious early choices.

We should have at least 3 players from this draft in our next premiership side.

 

[Godfather32]

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has been very quiet....

If he is actually part of the recruitment team he's probably slightly busy at the moment

 

[shooshka]

I have a feeling we are in a pretty good bargaining position for both the 2022 and 2023 drafts (due to our ladder position obviously).

I can see teams (Sydney the obvious one currently, but more will appear once trades are done) being willing to take a very early 2nd rounder next year (ours, Nth x2 - one now traded to Freo, Essendon etc) for a late 1st this year. Yes it is a slight downgrade but 5-6 spots when most people seem to compare the strength of the drafts might actually be a very similar player.

Additionally, we might be able to entice some teams near the top to trade their F1st to us by offering up 20 this year (probably need to add a F3rd or 4th). If they have points requirements in 2023, taking someone now plus grabbing a few points might be a decent scenario.


Most of this would likely be draft-night-trading, but I do expect us to be active around that this year as there are definitely some opportunities.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Pick 33 could still get us someone like Darcy Jones, Jed Hagan, Ed Allan, Cleaver, Sam Gilbey or the Ruckman Broadbent. All players that could be anything or might be nothing but the potential is there. Still wouldn't be as happy as pick 27 though.

Warner was pick 39 so can still get something good in the 30s but yeah Port are campaigners

 

[southcoast]

If he is actually part of the recruitment team he's probably slightly busy at the moment

I thought he could at least come to the forum and post a photo of our list management teams whiteboard.

Then we would all know what they’re thinking.

Tis the least he could do for forumites.


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[new breed]

Melbourne want the Griffin Logue

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Griffin Logue

Age

26

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193cm

Wt

100kg

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Season

Last 5

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9.8

2star

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4.4

2star

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5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

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1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

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HB

5.4

3star

M

2.4

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1.0

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115.4

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4.4

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2.4

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1.0

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115.4

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F2 NM draft pick in addition to 2022 (13) + 2023 F1 for Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

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199cm

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102kg

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8.3

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3.3

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5.0

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1.0

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0.3

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3.3

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Feathers sitting on the edge right now big decision for Freo .

 

[DanWCE]

Not a level paying field: The problem the Bowes trade reveals

If Jack Bowes is traded to Geelong, with the Cats also gaining the prized pick seven in the national draft, the deal will represent a worrisome watershed in the competition’s history.

www.watoday.com.au

To gain Bowes and pick seven, the vendor must also pick up his contract, which amounts to more than $1.5 million over the next two years. He comes with a major string attached, since many clubs can’t afford to take on a player who hasn’t been in the Gold Coast’s starting midfield on that kind of money (even if you re-negotiate it down).

It is remarkable that Geelong, despite an unmatched run of success since Joel Selwood’s arrival in 2006, can take on the excessive Bowes contract (which resulted from the Suns pushing money back, Bowes was not paid at that level annually). It is less surprising that Hawthorn and Essendon can accommodate Bowes, given their recent ladder positions.

What should concern the AFL and what the Bowes deal lays bare is that expansion teams are nowhere near parity if they have to compete with the same set of rules as Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood, West Coast and so forth.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Melbourne want the Griffin Logue F2 NM draft pick in addition to 2022 (13) + 2023 F1 for Luke Jackson .
Feathers sitting on the edge right now big decision for Freo .

That seems reasonable. Maybe Melbourne’s future second back to Freo?