List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[eagles rule]

Wait until we trade back 8 and 12 on draft night. We aren't done yet.

Pick 8+12 for ESSENDON Pick 4 +22 amirite ..

 

[sey666]

Port players on decline

Dixon - bad ankle issues
Gray - retired
Amon - Hawks
Boak- Getting older
Butters - Star
Rozee - Star
Georgiades - glute , quad dodgy
Ah Chee - fringe type good handballs
Ebert - Can't kick that well but good bloke once an Eagle
Lycett - Always injured
Zero ruckman of note ....

Port will go okay similar to Fremantle, Adelaide have some quality will be on level terms sooner then later !

 

[amazingjoshy]

Wait until we trade back 8 and 12 on draft night. We aren't done yet.

I reckon we may use one of our future 2nds to trade into the teens if someone we're interested is still around

Gives us our 5 picks inside 30 that they have mentioned a few times

 

[Keys]

Although we could have done the Rioli trade without the pick 2 split.

Pick 40 + Rioli <-> Future 2nd & 3rd picks

Do you think Port do that trade without the pick 2 split?

I’m not so sure they do

Allegedly, their original offer was 27 for Rioli and 40, so we got an extra future 3rd by doing a pick split that suited our draft strategy

Accept that people won’t agree with that strategy

 

[ziad]

Those melting don’t have much knowledge on this years draft I would suggest

dead sure 8 will be a better player than 2.???? The ranking is widely based collective wisdom. No guarentees but the best guide. Delusion is another matter

 

[Shueygod]

dead sure 8 will be a better player than 2.???? The ranking is widely based collective wisdom. No guarentees but the best guide. Delusion is another matter

dead sure 8 will be a better player than 2.???? The ranking is widely based collective wisdom. No guarentees but the best guide. Delusion is another matter

I’m far happier than the players that will be going around 8 than the ones around 2.

Just my opinion but I’ve always been big on Phillipou and for mine Humphrey looks like a Bont type bolter.

Wardlaw and Sheezel posed large risks, Tsatsas doesn’t impress me at all.

Who would you have taken with 2? Considering Wardlaw likely wouldn’t have been there.

 

[twce13]

Footnote in closing:

One vindictive comment and if you don’t follow the NFL, I apologise, as this will go right over your heads:

Would be nice if we did a “bounty gate” when we play Port and the weed man.
Sean Payton would probably approve.

As a proud whodat, I find my two most loved teams have some undeniable similarities.

Both treat off-season different to the rest of the league, push overs on the trade table, media hate both and I feel like the nfl/afl despise both my teams.

I'm all for bountygating port and freo tho.

 

[jesterwester]

Tell you what though, heck of a lot more excited for draft night now.

Although it will probably look like this.

Pick 8. Ginbey
Pick 12. Hewett

Hoping that Hotton lasts to 20. Think he’s got a bit of Shuey about him.

 

[BartBart]

Hope we get the drafting right as we have been pretty poor as a club over the last 3 years.

Overpaying on Kelly, not being able to get/keep players fit, 7 wins across nearly 4 seasons in 2022, our refusal to change our game plan, Castore contract, Hippy Club, etc.

 

[MaxHunt]

I’m far happier than the players that will be going around 8 than the ones around 2.

Just my opinion but I’ve always been big on Phillipou and for mine Humphrey looks like a Bont type bolter.

Wardlaw and Sheezel posed large risks, Tsatsas doesn’t impress me at all.

Who would you have taken with 2? Considering Wardlaw likely wouldn’t have been there.

I thought Phillipou was the Bont clone??

 

[kane249]

Whats the Prime Minster gonna do?

 

[BartBart]

I am sort of surprised I haven't seen the V word yet.
People saving it for Draft night(s)?

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

I know you’re making the distinction between a pick and the player taken with that pick, even though they’re effectively the same thing ie Pick 5 is only valuable because you are able to get the fifth best player in the draft.

But since 2016, a player taken with a top five pick has been traded on average of once per year.

2016 twice, 2020 zero, all other years once already.

The distinction is important as there was a comparison between the 2011 pick swap and the 2022 pick swap. In that case the distinction is critical as when we downgraded pick 7 we did so knowing we were going to receive Elliot Yeo and we would have had reasonable idea of the type of player Yeo was and weighed up his value as worthwhile for a 4 pick down grade.

I was incorrect and you are indeed correct - there have been several trades of a picks 5 and above. Apart from 2016 were Brisbane traded their pick 2 for pick 3 and a future first none of the picks were top 2 (this may not be very important as I can't keep changing the goal posts - just an interesting note). I think a more fair analysis is that none of these clubs traded so far back. Most of these pick swaps were a swap of one or two places, ours is a 6 pick downgrade.

The only trades that didn't involve a slight trade back (1 or two picks) involved clubs who I think you could say have had a history of terrible trading in Fremantle and GC. Fremantle admittedly have gotten their act together but this was the Cam McCarthy trade. I don't think the Freo of that era or GC are clubs whose trends we should be following. We can throw out the 2021 trade as that was a future first swap with neither club knowing what the actual pick they were trading would be.

How many of those trades (see below) do you see as a clear win for the team that traded out the top 5 pick? I'd say apart from 2016 Brisbane and 2019 Adelaide none of these trades were a win for the team trading their top pick. I think it's fair to hope that we could have squeezed a bit more out off pick 2 for it to be a worthwhile trade.

Having said all this whilst not happy with this trade I'm not melting. No one can predict the future but given the facts we have to this point I just don't see how many can see it as a win for us.

My overall point was that the 2011 trade was not comparable to this trade as that was a four pick downgrade from further back in the draft and more importantly - we did so to acquire a known quantity in Elliot Yeo who in my opinion had demonstrated more than enough to be at minimum a 150 game player even if no-one could have predicted just how good he has been for us.

2016 - Fremantle traded a top 5 pick (for cam McCarthy and other addons - I assume you agree that Freo does not have a good track record when it comes to trading?)

2016 - Brisbane traded pick 2 for pick 3. They also moved up from 31 to 15.

2017 - GC, traded pick 2 (Andrew Brayshaw) for Lachie Weller. ( I assume we can agree GC does not and continues to have a terrible track record of trading)

2018 - Brisbane traded pick 5 and mayes for pick 6 and 35

2019 - Adelaide traded pick 4 for pick 6 and a future first from GWS

2021 - GWS got pick 3 from Collingwood as a result of a future first pick swap from the year previous. I think it's fair to assume Collingwood weren't expecting to finish third last at time of the original trade.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Just abolish any pretences there is a fair draft.

A complete and utter shambles.

 

[Goomba1973]

Doesn't look like the Eagles were ever in the game so very odd we acted publicly that we were.

Not really, WC always knew they were out of the hunt. Just trade craft really, Melbourne would have told Jackson to say a WA club to see if WC would bite with #2 (knowing Jackson wanted Freo) and make Freo up the anty, WC said they're interested to make Freo to spend... pretty standard trade smoke and mirrors really.

 

[ziad]

Well we have at least positioned our selves for a very high draft pick in 2023 to get a top gun key forward. The vanilla midfield will just have to struggle on.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

I’d also argue that Dusty was more highly rated than any of the guys we’d get. Out of interest, who would you have picked if Ashcroft and Wardlaw were off the board (and we still had the pick)?

I don't know, I'm not a draft watcher. I just listen to others and everyone seems to rate both players you mentioned. All I know is almost every year the word going around is that next year is better. I also know that almost every year provides at least one superstar and the higher your draft hand the more likely you are to acquire that star.

 

[JDWCE]

It’s a massive win if we pick up Phillipou/Mackenzie/Humphrey.

Would love either of those guys but watch us go Ginbey and or Hewett…

 

[TerryFilk]

12 and 20 for 14 and 17?

Would depend on who’s still on the board at 12 but I’d be happy with that. Sydney would need to have someone specific in mind for them to consider that

I’d say no to that. 12 and 26 for 14 and 17 would be my offer

 

[javaguice]

Might be a good trade ...

Probably sussed out a few go home factors in sheezel, pou.... injury concerns with wardlow and thought they'd have 2 cracks at the cherry

Might have hopefully made a gentleman's agreement with gws on pick 20. They have 18 and 19.

**** I hope something astute has occurred

 

[Wce17]

What if GWS are actually into Wardlaw, everyone seems to think Cadman but what if it’s actually Wardlaw.

If that is the case and Wardlaw was our target with pick 2 then the splitting of pick 2 makes even more sense.

We weren’t going to get Wardlaw, we didn’t need Cadman, Sheezel is a flight risk & then the rest we feel are all pretty even.

Maybe we knew GWS & North would end up swapping picks anyway so we decided the best bet was to slide back and grab a extra first rounder & future picks & still get good quality this year.

 

[30stm3891]

If the reason we were happy with such a rubbish downgrade was because we are too chicken-s**t to draft a kid from outside of WA, then you may as well fold the club now and go back to calling it the VFL.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread there's a bit of tampering/compromised going on in this years draft?.... therefore WCE is looking to split pick 2.


Think it was WCEPhil.

 

[javaguice]

And I assume Hewitt tanked

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Have Phillipou in my top 5 anyway.. actually would be pretty happy to nab him with 8

 

[new breed]

And I assume Hewitt tanked

Maybe having trained with us and mentored by Shuey and Hurn that he in a comfortable space , no need to prove anything .