List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Keys]

So they just listed the highest-rated WA talent?

Pretty much, other than Barnett. Didn’t even contemplate we might look elsewhere with our early picks which history says we often do (as recently as last year)

 

[Keys]

So this guy thinks Trew and Winder have contracts. Says later he’s spoken to members of both families who have confirmed it



I don’t know who he is but he does an eagles podcast apparently (immediately reducing his credibility)

Just can’t see it being true as that would only leave 5 list spots open, 4 of which will be taken by picks 8,12,20,26 in the draft. Doubt we limit our options so significantly this far out

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Hmm. I doubt that.

Why would we have re-signed Trew? He's closer to a WAFL Reserves player than an AFL one.

 

[Monocle]

So at pick 20?

My knowledge of the draftees is limited but 20 would be reaching from what little I do know. If it was 26 we were considering trading up from that would make more sense

The only clubs that would be interested in taking him before 20 would be Sydney (14&17) or GWS (15,18,19). Doubt Collingwood at 16 would take him

I guess there’s also the possibility another club could trade up to one of those GWS picks to get ahead of us I suppose

Keys If we want him, I have no problem if we take him at 20 ( only caveat if another absolute shock slider was still there, then we pounce).

I think he comes off the board in the 20-30 range and he does have a few special points of difference, as does Hustwaite, that can justify a slight reach.

If we went a touch early at 20 there would still be a cluster of players still available for 26 that, IMO, would be in the conversation at 20, the difference in quality in the 20-30 ranked on my board is so slender, that the selection may well be a needs based, or balanced against who you had picked up previously in the draft.
By way of example I have Barnett and Konstanty in that range, so do you need a small forward or a tall.... that may be what influences the choice.

I have been tracking Allan's development for two years now and his form at the backend of the season, after returning from injury for a chunk of the mid part of the season, has not surprisingly seen him become a rapid riser.

His combine results additionally help catapult his rise:

• First in the 20 mtr sprint 2.81 ..... believe me thats impressive any thing sub 3 is quick ....... sub 2.9 is slippery quick.
• Fifth in the agility.
• Top 10 vertical jump.

More importantly for me his speed and agility results at the combine, aligned up well with what the eye had seen on game day.
He is very good in tight spaces and in heavy traffic, the agility test supports that and even Blind Freddy could not help but notice his pace across the ground.
His tank wasn't top 10 at the combine but on game day it's apparent that he runs all day.
They have no combine measure for footy IQ, but I seen plenty of it on game day.

 

[Godfather32]

So this guy thinks Trew and Winder have contracts. Says later he’s spoken to members of both families who have confirmed it



I don’t know who he is but he does an eagles podcast apparently (immediately reducing his credibility)

Just can’t see it being true as that would only leave 5 list spots open, 4 of which will be taken by picks 8,12,20,26 in the draft. Doubt we limit our options so significantly this far out

Winder's Dad would have been all over facebook if he'd not been re-signed

 

[dajesmac]

So this guy thinks Trew and Winder have contracts. Says later he’s spoken to members of both families who have confirmed it



I don’t know who he is but he does an eagles podcast apparently (immediately reducing his credibility)

Just can’t see it being true as that would only leave 5 list spots open, 4 of which will be taken by picks 8,12,20,26 in the draft. Doubt we limit our options so significantly this far out

I know him he’s a good fella - not a Nuffie by any stretch. Interesting if true.

 

[Keys]

Winder's Dad would have been all over facebook if he'd not been re-signed

FWIW, I think they’ve probably not been delisted and have instead been told they might be contracted depending on what happens through the (now completed) trade period and draft

I can’t see how more than one, if any, of Trew, Winder or West retains a spot, let alone two.

 

[Godfather32]

FWIW, I think they’ve probably not been delisted and have instead been told they might be contracted depending on what happens through the (now completed) trade period and draft

I can’t see how more than one, if any, of Trew, Winder or West retains a spot, let alone two.

Yeah it doesn't make sense unless we want some fodder to de-list next year, but we've already got plenty of that.

 

[Keys]

Keys If we want him, I have no problem if we take him at 20 ( only caveat if another absolute shock slider was still there, then we pounce).

I think he comes off the board in the 20-30 range and he does have a few special points of difference, as does Hustwaite, that can justify a slight reach.

If we went a touch early at 20 there would still be a cluster of players still available for 26 that, IMO, would be in the conversation at 20, the difference in quality in the 20-30 ranked on my board is so slender, that the selection may well be a needs based, or balanced against who you had picked up previously in the draft.
By way of example I have Barnett and Konstanty in that range, so do you need a small forward or a tall.... that may be what influences the choice.

I have been tracking Allan's development for two years now and his form at the backend of the season, after returning from injury for a chunk of the mid part of the season, has not surprisingly seen him become a rapid riser.

His combine results additionally help catapult his rise:

• First in the 20 mtr sprint 2.81 ..... believe me thats impressive any thing sub 3 is quick ....... sub 2.9 is slippery quick.
• Fifth in the agility.
• Top 10 vertical jump.

More importantly for me his speed and agility results at the combine, aligned up well with what the eye had seen on game day.
He is very good in tight spaces and in heavy traffic, the agility test supports that and even Blind Freddy could not help but notice his pace across the ground.
His tank wasn't top 10 at the combine but on game day it's apparent that he runs all day.
They have no combine measure for footy IQ, but I seen plenty of it on game day.

Taking him at 20 I wouldn’t have an issue with even before reading your post but trading up from there using a future 3rd I’m less sure of

We had to fight to get Ports F3 in the mega trade so I’d be reluctant to throw it away but maybe they’re as bullish on Allan as you are. They (and you) know way more than I on this

 

[Monocle]

Taking him at 20 I wouldn’t have an issue with even before reading your post but trading up from there using a future 3rd I’m less sure of

Agree with you on this.

 

[Wce17]

FWIW, I think they’ve probably not been delisted and have instead been told they might be contracted depending on what happens through the (now completed) trade period and draft

I can’t see how more than one, if any, of Trew, Winder or West retains a spot, let alone two.

I don’t really mind if they both get another year. I would if they where getting on the older side but they are both still young. It’s not like they have been on the last for years it’s only been 2 years in a rabble of a WAFL team & the whole Covid situation.

Trew showed a few good signs in his games at the top level & needs an injury free year & winders problem isn’t talent it’s being played out of position & application.

If it’s meant to be a shallow draft then I think we are better off giving them a extra year & hope they get a good run at it. Worse case scenario is they both get delisted next year but then we have extra list spots in a strong draft.

4 main list spots, 1 rookie spot & then hopefully Tyrell & Baker slip through to the Cat B list is a good haul for a shallow draft. You can also add in Culley & it’s a decent turnover

 

[DJMac]

I could be wrong...but there seem to be too many times Freo is winning the come-home factor. Granted, I don't give a flying * about Lobb, JOM, Sharp and Jackson

But they almost had Yeo too, if it wasn't for us offering more. The club needs to sell itself better because of Season 2024/25 - I'd suspect we will be going hard at a few sandgroppers.

I am ok with how it has gone.

In recent times we got Yeo, Cripps, Hutchings, Jetta,

They got Hogan, Hill, Wilson, Lobb, Acres, Bennell, Kersten. Also got Jackson and Hamling.
they lose so many players every year they have more trade currency but a lot of their come home players have not really worked out.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

So this guy thinks Trew and Winder have contracts. Says later he’s spoken to members of both families who have confirmed it



I don’t know who he is but he does an eagles podcast apparently (immediately reducing his credibility)

Just can’t see it being true as that would only leave 5 list spots open, 4 of which will be taken by picks 8,12,20,26 in the draft. Doubt we limit our options so significantly this far out

Not trying to start a podcast beef but this one is also just fans. Speaking to the family is fine if true but we’ll have to wait and see.

The Nest podcast has Fox journos on it so figured it would be a link to a tweet from them, but these are just a couple of fans having a chat, if you can believe such a show exists.

 

[Farang83150]

So at pick 20?

My knowledge of the draftees is limited but 20 would be reaching from what little I do know. If it was 26 we were considering trading up from that would make more sense

The only clubs that would be interested in taking him before 20 would be Sydney (14&17) or GWS (15,18,19). Doubt Collingwood at 16 would take him

I guess there’s also the possibility another club could trade up to one of those GWS picks to get ahead of us I suppose

Hawks maybe sniffing around at 24.
One thing I can say is if he's inherited his grandfather and father's determination he will succeed at AFL level.
Really hope we get him to WC.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Gee plenty out of contract next year.
Langdon, Witho, SPS, Clark, Petch, Jamo, XON, Foley etc, with Hurn & Shuey possibly retiring.
Cripps, Waterman & Jack Williams should be safe.
Hough & Gov would be a formality.

 

[Obeanie1]

Our 3rd pick will be 21 or thereabouts. I doubt an additional 3rd rounder will get us an upgrade on draft night that early on because the deal would need to be in their favour for them to do it. Especially if said club also wants the player we want.

See Port Adelaide’s trade to us from last year. 14 and a future second rounder to trade up 3 places.

More than likely a future second, or 21 & 26 for 17 and a pick later. Is Allen the wingman we tried to turn brander into? He’s rocketing up the rankings if this is what we are looking to do.

A tall winger. Eagles just love tall players, mids.

Then you look at the Bulldogs. They seem to be fine picking smaller more agile mids. Having Bontempelli helps balance the list though.

Id like us to focus on players who have high football IQ's. Sure they cant be too slow but if you are good enough, you are big enough.

 

[LittleFires]

FWIW, I think they’ve probably not been delisted and have instead been told they might be contracted depending on what happens through the (now completed) trade period and draft

I can’t see how more than one, if any, of Trew, Winder or West retains a spot, let alone two.

Yeah, not to just discount what the podcast guy is saying, but Winder and Trew both already having contracts for next year doesn’t add up to me. As you say, would leave us very tight for list spots and would significantly reduce any wriggle room for other signings (DFAs, rookie draft, SSP), etc.

And then I can’t see how you justify signing Trew at the expense of West. West had something like 29 disposals against the Dees earlier this year, Trew showed far less at AFL or WAFL level this year. At worst West sits in the WAFL next year as depth until he’s needed.

It’s tempting to get annoyed at the decisions and start drawing conclusions but it’s pretty pointless until the club confirms anything haha

 

[Obeanie1]

Keys If we want him, I have no problem if we take him at 20 ( only caveat if another absolute shock slider was still there, then we pounce).

I think he comes off the board in the 20-30 range and he does have a few special points of difference, as does Hustwaite, that can justify a slight reach.

If we went a touch early at 20 there would still be a cluster of players still available for 26 that, IMO, would be in the conversation at 20, the difference in quality in the 20-30 ranked on my board is so slender, that the selection may well be a needs based, or balanced against who you had picked up previously in the draft.
By way of example I have Barnett and Konstanty in that range, so do you need a small forward or a tall.... that may be what influences the choice.

I have been tracking Allan's development for two years now and his form at the backend of the season, after returning from injury for a chunk of the mid part of the season, has not surprisingly seen him become a rapid riser.

His combine results additionally help catapult his rise:

• First in the 20 mtr sprint 2.81 ..... believe me thats impressive any thing sub 3 is quick ....... sub 2.9 is slippery quick.
• Fifth in the agility.
• Top 10 vertical jump.

More importantly for me his speed and agility results at the combine, aligned up well with what the eye had seen on game day.
He is very good in tight spaces and in heavy traffic, the agility test supports that and even Blind Freddy could not help but notice his pace across the ground.
His tank wasn't top 10 at the combine but on game day it's apparent that he runs all day.
They have no combine measure for footy IQ, but I seen plenty of it on game day.

If he has decent footy IQ and knows how to use his athletic strengths happy to reach a little.

Already taller than Darling.

Is he confident going for goal?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

If we have to carry Witherden for another year put him on a HFF. I’d like to think his laziness can be taken out of his game if he has to run up the ground to earn a stat.

For Langdon id put him as a back pocket and see if he can defend. We know he can’t kick or mark but he has tenacity so let’s see if that can do something

If we have to carry 2 massive spud, we may as well move them away from their potato farm and into a new field

Even simpler play them in the wafl .

Having cole back and the acquisition of hunt means we have 2 quick rebounding defenders .

Jones moves to the forward line as a pressure forward / HFF in rioli's position .

 

[jesterwester]

Whenever I see those sprint times, I always remember Hutchings ran a 2.84 prior to being drafted by us in 2012.

You can train for it, but if you don’t actually use that pace on field it doesn’t really count for too much.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Whenever I see those sprint times, I always remember Hutchings ran a 2.84 prior to being drafted by us in 2012.

You can train for it, but if you don’t actually use that pace on field it doesn’t really count for too much.

Hutch used his pace all the time . We played him on Saad on a number of occasions. He didn't chase him down but was quick enough to pressure him .

 

[Godfather32]

Even simpler play them in the wafl .

Having cole back and the acquisition of hunt means we have 2 quick rebounding defenders .

Jones moves to the forward line as a pressure forward / HFF in rioli's position .

I'd actually prefer to see Cole in a wing role maybe rotating through as a high half forward flanker. I've always said that's where I see him playing his best football and I'd really like for us to give him a shot at it

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Hutch kept up with the best mids in the comp for a couple of years there as the best tagger in the game too.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Keys If we want him, I have no problem if we take him at 20 ( only caveat if another absolute shock slider was still there, then we pounce).

I think he comes off the board in the 20-30 range and he does have a few special points of difference, as does Hustwaite, that can justify a slight reach.

If we went a touch early at 20 there would still be a cluster of players still available for 26 that, IMO, would be in the conversation at 20, the difference in quality in the 20-30 ranked on my board is so slender, that the selection may well be a needs based, or balanced against who you had picked up previously in the draft.
By way of example I have Barnett and Konstanty in that range, so do you need a small forward or a tall.... that may be what influences the choice.

I have been tracking Allan's development for two years now and his form at the backend of the season, after returning from injury for a chunk of the mid part of the season, has not surprisingly seen him become a rapid riser.

His combine results additionally help catapult his rise:

• First in the 20 mtr sprint 2.81 ..... believe me thats impressive any thing sub 3 is quick ....... sub 2.9 is slippery quick.
• Fifth in the agility.
• Top 10 vertical jump.

More importantly for me his speed and agility results at the combine, aligned up well with what the eye had seen on game day.
He is very good in tight spaces and in heavy traffic, the agility test supports that and even Blind Freddy could not help but notice his pace across the ground.
His tank wasn't top 10 at the combine but on game day it's apparent that he runs all day.
They have no combine measure for footy IQ, but I seen plenty of it on game day.

Better late than never I suppose - Thanks Uncle Mon !

 

[Keys]

I'd actually prefer to see Cole in a wing role maybe rotating through as a high half forward flanker. I've always said that's where I see him playing his best football and I'd really like for us to give him a shot at it

Cole is our best shutdown small defender and tbh we haven’t got anyone else on our list that’s capable of playing that role

Don’t mind your idea but I think we need him in defence more than we do on a wing