List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Happy Mastenator]

Gotta be a contender to drop off.

Can't see that happening any time soon, unless a gun KPF falls into their lap.

They are relying on Jye Amiss. Not the worse bet, if they can get a couple more years from Tabener and co until he's ready.

 

[Rowan18]

They are relying on Jye Amiss. Not the worse bet, if they can get a couple more years from Tabener and co until he's ready.

It's a gamble though. They need him to develop into a top forward and that is likely to take another 3 seasons or so. Once he gets there, who is there to support him?

This is why I think rebuilds should always start with KPP, as they take longer to develop. Freo has rebuilt the midfield but their forward line is bottom 4 in the league.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

It's a gamble though. They need him to develop into a top forward and that is likely to take another 3 seasons or so. Once he gets there, who is there to support him?

This is why I think rebuilds should always start with KPP, as they take longer to develop. Freo has rebuilt the midfield but their forward line is bottom 4 in the league.

And to think we could have had Cadman to pair up with Allen

 

[FKASC]

It's a gamble though. They need him to develop into a top forward and that is likely to take another 3 seasons or so. Once he gets there, who is there to support him?

This is why I think rebuilds should always start with KPP, as they take longer to develop. Freo has rebuilt the midfield but their forward line is bottom 4 in the league.

Why would he need 4 seasons? Could do a Darling and chip in with ~40 goals early on in his career.

Jackson/Darcy and another tall will draw two of the big defenders so he will be getting the third KPD. Plus they already seem like they will be getting a lot of their goals from non-KPPs, similar to the Demons and Bulldogs

 

[bzparkes]

And to think we could have had Cadman to pair up with Allen

We still have Darling/Waterman,Williams/Gov/Barrass who can hold down a position, if need be.

They're no JK replacements but they're more than enough to keep the spot warm, presuming we go tall next year.

What's Freo got?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

What's Freo got?

A chip on their shoulder the size of Jeremy McGovern after an HJs binge?

 

[Keys]

And to think we could have had Cadman to pair up with Allen

Well the likelihood was that GWS would have traded with North for pick 1 regardless of whether or not we traded pick 2.

So we were never going to be able to Cadman

Wardlaw however….

I’m still comfortable with the swap though given the players that will be available at 8&12

 

[THE A5]

Can’t help but think Hawthorn are tanking next year to grab Harley Reid. Kid looks like a generational talent. I see Hawks being a level below us and Norf next season

 

[Rowan18]

Why would he need 4 seasons? Could do a Darling and chip in with ~40 goals early on in his career.

Jackson/Darcy and another tall will draw two of the big defenders so he will be getting the third KPD. Plus they already seem like they will be getting a lot of their goals from non-KPPs, similar to the Demons and

Look at guys like: Daniher, Curnow, McKay, King bros etc. Most of them took a couple of seasons to build their bodies to handle the position. Curnow and Daniher broke out early but then their bodies broke down - arguably because they did too much too soon. Jack Darling was super rare in the he hit the ground running and maintained a good level for years without his body breaking.

Freo has already shown they can't score enough with their current forward line. Their finals serious was pathetic in terms of lack of fire-power. They were lucky to be playing Bulldogs week 1, who are just as bad. Collingwood wiped the floor with them.

Now they've lost their leading goalscorer, so not only do they need to find 30 odd goals to replace him, they then need to find a bunch more to get them up to competitive levels.

 

[bzparkes]

Can’t help but think Hawthorn are tanking next year to grab Archie Reid. Kid looks like a generational talent. I see Hawks being a level below us and Norf next season

Hopefully they pick up 'Archie' whilst we get a free shot at Harley.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Even if we don't intend on taking McKenzie at our pick 8 I think we should be on the phone to St Kilda saying at this stage we are highly interested in taking him and if they wish to get their academy player we'll trade back to their pick 9 for a future third.

Continue to amass currency for next year.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Can’t help but think Hawthorn are tanking next year to grab Archie Reid. Kid looks like a generational talent. I see Hawks being a level below us and Norf next season

Hopefully Hawthorn tank for a guy that goes backwards after U16 and Pie Man swoops on Brander 2.0.

Wait.

 

[southcoast]

Even if we don't intend on taking McKenzie at our pick 8 I think we should be on the phone to St Kilda saying at this stage we are highly interested in taking him and if they wish to get their academy player we'll trade back to their pick 9 for a future third.

Continue to amass currency for next year.

Go with the ‘budding talent’ line at Saints may give their F2.

Potential new coach and all that.


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[FKASC]

Look at guys like: Daniher, Curnow, McKay, King bros etc. Most of them took a couple of seasons to build their bodies to handle the position. Curnow and Daniher broke out early but then their bodies broke down - arguably because they did too much too soon. Jack Darling was super rare in the he hit the ground running and maintained a good level for years without his body breaking.

Freo has already shown they can't score enough with their current forward line. Their finals serious was pathetic in terms of lack of fire-power. They were lucky to be playing Bulldogs week 1, who are just as bad. Collingwood wiped the floor with them.

Now they've lost their leading goalscorer, so not only do they need to find 30 odd goals to replace him, they then need to find a bunch more to get them up to competitive levels.

Those guys are mostly all ruckman sized - it’s no wonder they took a while to get their bodies right.

The one who isn’t (Curnow) kicked 54 goals across his second and third seasons, with Carlton only winning 7 games during that time. Amiss would be coming into a much less dysfunctional setup.

For all Freo’s failure to score enough, they were pretty close to a top 2 finish. Regardless, my point wasn’t that Fremantle will win the flag, but that Amiss looks good enough to put their faith into.

 

[WCErevival]

Look at guys like: Daniher, Curnow, McKay, King bros etc. Most of them took a couple of seasons to build their bodies to handle the position. Curnow and Daniher broke out early but then their bodies broke down - arguably because they did too much too soon. Jack Darling was super rare in the he hit the ground running and maintained a good level for years without his body breaking.

Freo has already shown they can't score enough with their current forward line. Their finals serious was pathetic in terms of lack of fire-power. They were lucky to be playing Bulldogs week 1, who are just as bad. Collingwood wiped the floor with them.

Now they've lost their leading goalscorer, so not only do they need to find 30 odd goals to replace him, they then need to find a bunch more to get them up to competitive levels.

Its not really hard to find 30 odd goals though. Its only ~1.5 goals a game. McDougall did it early on in his career. Lynch did it in his first proper season at full forward.

 

[shooshka]

Well the likelihood was that GWS would have traded with North for pick 1 regardless of whether or not we traded pick 2.

So we were never going to be able to Cadman

Wardlaw however….

I’m still comfortable with the swap though given the players that will be available at 8&12

And (noting I have no actual evidence to support this theory) that is why I think we got involved in the mega trade.

We wanted Cadman, would have happily selected him at #2 (or even at #1 if we had have 'won' that pick), but once it was clear he was off the board we were not that interested in the other players available at the pick (either they weren't rated that much higher than players around 10-15 in the draft, or go-home issues, or both).

Hence the desire to have 2 cracks in the 5-15 range rather than just take the 1 player - i.e. the 1 player we wanted was gone.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Freo will be fine, if Tabener stays fit. Sure, he's never stayed fit in his life, but maybe this years its different.

 

[ziad]

We still have Darling/Waterman,Williams/Gov/Barrass who can hold down a position, if need be.

They're no JK replacements but they're more than enough to keep the spot warm, presuming we go tall next year.

What's Freo got?

I see one key forward and two defenders + two WAFL players

 

[ziad]

What's the NRL system?

Different vibe. All games still include the three grades playing on the same day. Old school promotion within the club. Then very modern day $$$ to poach top players out/in of contracts. (during the season)

 

[Farang83150]

Different vibe. All games still include the three grades playing on the same day. Old school promotion within the club. Then very modern day $$$ to poach top players out/in of contracts. (during the season)

Can't stand the "during the season poaching" stuff, obviously there's talks go on in the AFL but announcing players leaving while part way through the season's sh!te imo.

 

[DanWCE]

Amiss looks pretty good tbf

They're lucky they drafted Nev and not his cousin Swingand

 

[Farang83150]

They're lucky they drafted Nev and not his cousin Swingand

Get your coat!!

 

[ziad]

Can't stand the "during the season poaching" stuff, obviously there's talks go on in the AFL but announcing players leaving while part way through the season's sh!te imo.

Agreed, but oddly enough it seems to work just fine.

 

[bzparkes]

I see one key forward and two defenders + two WAFL players

The point is that we have a stop-gap for a few seasons whilst we develop a high pick for the role. 1 season isn't going to make much of a difference, especially if the talent is better next year.

 

[FKASC]

Swingand already our best batsman