List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Miguel Sanchez]

People forget all of the freakishly talentented footballers 6 foot or under who had massive impacts in the midfield and push forward and score, and would turn games.

I'm talking the pure talent players, not ball accumulators, like Ricciuto 184cm and McLeod 181, Cousins 179, Kerr 178, Matera 183 and nowadays Toby Greene at 182cm.

Might be a bit telling that of those players other than Greene, most of them played in the 90s and the last one retired almost a decade ago.

 

[bombard]

I don't get the obsession with every club trying to find the next 6 foot 4 Bont type of midfielder. He's a unicorn. Watch his highlights from the U18s championships and you can see he's another class level above all of them.

People forget all of the freakishly talentented footballers 6 foot or under who had massive impacts in the midfield and push forward and score, and would turn games.

I'm talking the pure talent players, not ball accumulators, like Ricciuto 184cm and McLeod 181, Cousins 179, Kerr 178, Matera 183 and nowadays Toby Greene at 182cm.

You can build your tank to get to more contests but you can't train or teach what those type of impact players have.

Hewett, Sheezel, Wardlaw and Humphrey have it from what I've seen. Tsatas looks like an accumulator, doesn't interest me and I think he'll fall. Clark will be sad faced if he's drafted anywhere but Geelong so forget him.

McKenzie, Ginbey and Allen's ceiling might be a Stenglein type player, which is fine. They could be over rated due to the Bont search. I'd be happy with Hewett and Buslinger at 8 and 12 if that's how it plays out.

Gold points. Does Prestige Worldwide offer draft consultancy?

 

[mattyc75]

I don't get the obsession with every club trying to find the next 6 foot 4 Bont type of midfielder. He's a unicorn. Watch his highlights from the U18s championships and you can see he's another class level above all of them.

People forget all of the freakishly talentented footballers 6 foot or under who had massive impacts in the midfield and push forward and score, and would turn games.

I'm talking the pure talent players, not ball accumulators, like Ricciuto 184cm and McLeod 181, Cousins 179, Kerr 178, Matera 183 and nowadays Toby Greene

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1.2

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17.5

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9.5

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8.0

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4.8

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at 182cm.

You can build your tank to get to more contests but you can't train or teach what those type of impact players have.

Hewett, Sheezel, Wardlaw and Humphrey have it from what I've seen. Tsatas looks like an accumulator, doesn't interest me and I think he'll fall. Clark will be sad faced if he's drafted anywhere but Geelong so forget him.

McKenzie, Ginbey and Allen's ceiling might be a Stenglein type player, which is fine. They could be over rated due to the Bont search. I'd be happy with Hewett and Buslinger at 8 and 12 if that's how it plays out.

Yeah the hype around ultra tall mids because of a scarce few tall mids is out of control


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[GoldenEagle]

AFL draft whispers: Big interest in Phillipou cools trade speculation; more clubs eye top-10 bolter as late first-round games loom

Mega interest in Bont clone douses trade chat; more clubs eye top-10 bolter: Draft State of Play

www.foxsports.com.au

Interesting article. If Jefferson doesn't get picked up by Melbourne I can see him sliding to the 2nd round.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Interesting to see covid probably impacted Mitch Szybkowski for his last two games which were telling big games for his ranking - nab league grand final and last champs game vs Vic Metro. He's probably in the 20-35 draft range now, where mid season was top 20.

First half of the season he was Culleys partner in crime at Dandy, and they were putting up big numbers and strong contested game.
I really like Mitch Szybkowski, as he's got a really good contested game but I think his kicking for a contested midfielders is really good which is evident in this video -

I think we could get him with pick 26, so if we take a mid and tall with our first two he is someone we can take later and still be a very good midfielder.

 

[Dale Doback]

Might be a bit telling that of those players other than Greene, most of them played in the 90s and the last one retired almost a decade ago.

The point is these guys are legends of the game who might be considered under sized now and overlooked for a vanilla 192cm mid.

In other words I'm taking Hewett over Ginbey and betting on the talent.

 

[Nuffington Post]

The point is these guys are legends of the game who might be considered under sized now and overlooked for a vanilla 192cm mid.

In other words I'm taking Hewett over Ginbey and betting on the talent.

There are some decent mids in the game who aren’t that tall - Neale (177) Parker (183) Laird (178) Josh Kelly (183). It’s probably good to have at least one 190+ mid so just depends on our mix. We have Culley and G Clark so we might be able to take a gun smaller mid that slides.


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[Wooshaaaa]

Might be a bit telling that of those players other than Greene, most of them played in the 90s and the last one retired almost a decade ago.

2022 Brownlow top 13/15

Cripps 195
Neale 178
Miller 179
Brayshaw 185
Oliver 189
Petracca 187
Mills 187
Prestia 175
Merrett. 179
Parker 183
Amon 181
Dunkley 193
Walsh 184


Last 12 Brownlow winners

Judd 188
Swan 185
Mitchel/cotchen 179
Ablett 178
Priddis 181
Fyfe 191
Dange 189
Dusty 187
Mitchel 182
Neal 178
Wines 187

Unicorns are rare. Bont, fyfe and Cripps are unicorns.

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[Miguel Sanchez]

2022 Brownlow top 13/15

Cripps 195
Neale 178
Miller 179
Brayshaw 185
Oliver 189
Petracca 187
Mills 187
Prestia 175
Merrett. 179
Parker 183
Amon 181
Dunkley 193
Walsh 184


Last 12 Brownlow winners

Judd 188
Swan 185
Mitchel/cotchen 179
Ablett 178
Priddis 181
Fyfe 191
Dange 189
Dusty 187
Mitchel 182
Neal 178
Wines 187

Unicorns are rare. Bont, fyfe and Cripps are unicorns.

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So rare that there’s three of them in the league today.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

AFL draft whispers: Big interest in Phillipou cools trade speculation; more clubs eye top-10 bolter as late first-round games loom

Mega interest in Bont clone douses trade chat; more clubs eye top-10 bolter: Draft State of Play

www.foxsports.com.au

With Melbourne knocking hard, the Dodo bird cannot confidently trade out of 4 and still pick up Phillipou

So it is starting to firm up with names being inked in at 1-5 placings

Draft likelihood (excluding Ashcroft)
1. GWS - Cadman
2. Norf - Wardlaw
3. Norf - Sheezel
4. Dons - Phillipou
5. Suns - Humphrey
6. Hawks - Tsatas, Clarke or Mackenzie
7. Cats - Clarke or Tsatas or Busslinger or Allan
8. Eagles - Ginbey or Mackenzie
9. Saints - Mackenzie or Tsatas
10. Blues - Busslinger or Hays or Hollands or Allan
11. Doggies - Busslinger or Hays or Hollands
12. Eagles - Hewett or Hollands or Busslinger or Allan

Best case scenario for us (IMO) is for Hawks to take the sliding Tsatas and Cats to take Busslinger.

That could give us the choice of Clark or Mackenzie. Take the latter please but 2 very good options.

My favourite is Mackenzie and Hewett. Then we can add around the 2 balanced mids the pieces we need. That said, Mackenzie and Ginbey with a hope that Hewett slides would be OK.We can add other mids later.

 

[WCE_phil]

In Melbourne, know of at least 4 teams trying to trade up the order and GWS almost certain to sell their pick 19 for an early second this year and a future second.

Not allowed to post much more than that at the moment.

Still think BODE pick Busslinger.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

In Melbourne, know of at least 4 teams trying to trade up the order

Man, if another team gets a better deal than 8 and 12 for 2, I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[ZergMinion]

Tallest & Shortest AFL Players Full List

A complete list of all players from tallest to shortest.

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According to this there are plenty of decent tall midfielders. Its not that surprising that they get drafted with better picks.

 

[new breed]

No faith in what WCE are doing if suggested trade back in top 5 is even being considered ...so confused.

Could be eight (8) and (26) for pick five (5) though........... confused .

 

[Dark Sharks]

Tall mids have a ceiling many others don't. Fyfe, Cripps, Bont can all mark the ball properly and can still break a game open whilst resting forward. Philipou is this years version.

Then you've got the slightly smaller 185-190's mids that are still explosive like Petracca and Dusty, who can do similar without the strong overhead marking. Humphrey is one of those this year. Hewett too perhaps.

If you're a 175-180cm mid like Neale and co it's a bit limited what you can do, in regards to versatility. There's less of those game breaker types in this range.

Also the AFL player size in general is becoming bigger, so mids are also becoming bigger. Keep selecting small types and they'll struggle against the bigger bodies in contested games.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

In Melbourne, know of at least 4 teams trying to trade up the order and GWS almost certain to sell their pick 19 for an early second this year and a future second.

Not allowed to post much more than that at the moment.

Still think BODE pick Busslinger.

Hard to think Dodoro will budge from 4 without it being massive overs and Melbourne are not that generous. Their 2 x Future R1 are likely to be mid to late teens which is not close to 4.

It is a pass for me on 19 for say 26 and Port's F2. I have a number bottlenecked at the 19 to 26 level and hence let the draft come to us.

I hope you are right with the BODE picking Busslinger. It is a good pick and they have de Koning capable of playing forward! Less temptation for the Pieman.

If you had the choice of Mackenzie or Clark, which one would you want for us at 8? Both really good options but Mackenzie is slightly ahead for me thinking about who else we add at 12. Also me discounting the Geelong Homing Pidgeon factor.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

So rare that there’s three of them in the league today.

3 out of how many midfielders?

18 clubs, 8-10mids each

180

1 in 60. Yep rare!

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[Dark Sharks]

Mckenzie vs Clark vs Tsatas all on the board at our first selection would be interesting.

Gee. Not sure who I'd go there.

Mckenzie very neat..
but also pretty plain Jane, and a Vic Metro bed wetter.

Clark tries his ass off, natural leader and you can see doesn't like to lose...
but he's from Geelong and loves Selwood.

Tsatas is a high risk high reward outside mid and would add some much needed flair..
But flair doesn't exactly fit into Simmos game plan, plus also a Metro bedwetter.

 

[Keys]

Mckenzie vs Clark vs Tsatas all on the board at our first selection would be interesting.


Gee. Not sure who I'd go there.

Jefferson

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

In Melbourne, know of at least 4 teams trying to trade up the order and GWS almost certain to sell their pick 19 for an early second this year and a future second.

Not allowed to post much more than that at the moment.

Still think BODE pick Busslinger.

I thought that for a long time, think I got wore down by everyone just saying Clark is going to the Cats. Busslinger IMO is a better draftee.

 

[Coasters7]

Man, if another team gets a better deal than 8 and 12 for 2, I'm gonna be pissed.

Yeah this is why we should have kept it till draft night. Still happy splitting the pick but look at the hype a guy projected at 8-11 has picked up in 2 weeks, with multiple clubs clamouring to move up the order. Definitely would have been a potential to get on the end of a bidding war

Even if we did a smallish trade initially (assuming any were available), trading down from 2 to 4 or 5 for another pick and then keeping that and listening to offers on draft night. We had the right idea with the split but didn’t extract maximum value

 

[eagles rule]

In Melbourne, know of at least 4 teams trying to trade up the order and GWS almost certain to sell their pick 19 for an early second this year and a future second.

Not allowed to post much more than that at the moment.

Still think BODE pick Busslinger.

Why not ??
If you know then there’s bound to be another 70 to 80 ppl who know..


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[Miguel Sanchez]

Mckenzie vs Clark vs Tsatas all on the board at our first selection would be interesting.

Gee. Not sure who I'd go there.

Who’s off the board in this hypothetical? Im thinking Ashcroft, Cadman, Wardlaw, Sheezel, Phillipou, Ginbey, Humphrey, Busslinger?

Just trying to gauge if there’s a “D. Other” option that might be more attractive.

 

[Nuffington Post]

I see there are continued rumours that we may be engaging with Essendon to trade up to pick 4 in exchange for a future second. Everyone assumes it’s for Ginbey but could it be for Phillipou or Tsatas?


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[Dark Sharks]

Who’s off the board in this hypothetical? Im thinking Ashcroft, Cadman, Wardlaw, Sheezel, Phillipou, Ginbey, Humphrey, Busslinger?

Just trying to gauge if there’s a “D. Other” option that might be more attractive.

Nope you're spot on beets. Exactly how i played it out, although I do think it's unlikely Ginbey is selected before all three. Hollands would be around the mark, Jefferson too.

I'd be happy with either of those 3 mids. The critical one is Hewett at 12 IMO.

Regardless of our first selection, if we can at least lock away an explosive wa midfielder as backup at 12, it'll go down much easier.