List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[TerryFilk]

Trying to piece Twomeys phantom draft back together after the last third of the first round was blown up

Ryan (Collingwood) and Cowan (Sydney) were off the board by now in his phantom

Hewett and Rowston were still there

22: GWS - George (Originally had George then Jones who they’ve already taken)
23: West Coast - Clarke (Had Hewett at this pick with Clarke and Ryan as possibilities)
24: Bulldogs - Ryan (Had Clarke here but if we go him then Cowan, Ryan and Hotton the others mentioned still available)
25 : Essendon- Hayes
26: North - Cowan (Had McCallum but also mentioned Cowan who wasn’t available at this pick in his phantom)
27: Sydney (was Hawthorn) - Gruzewski (Had swans taking Weddle who Hawthorn took and had Hawthorn taking Gruzewski here. Hawks cough up a F2 and F3 to play swapsies. Terrible trade)
28: Collingwood - Barnett
29: West Coast - Burgiel
30: Collingwood- Hotton

It’ll be interesting to see what offers go to GWS for their pick and whether they take one in an attempt to mitigate the damage Sydney did to their draft strategy

We’re probably choosing between Clarke and Ryan based on what Twomey thought and tbh he’s done a fair job so far of picking who’s come off the board

Hopefully someone bids on Davey before Essendons pick just to * ‘em. Maybe GWS do a Sydney and bid then trade the pick

Ginbey, Hewett, Clarke, Burgiel would be a nice draft for us from a start point of 2,20,26,40 pre trade period then add Ports F2 and F3 for Rioli as well

We should be bidding on Alwyn Davey, it’ll help us with our next 2nd wouldn’t it? Could be wrong though.

I feel like GWS might go Clark, they definitely wanted Kostanty imo and Sydney stuffed that one up for them

I really hope we get the chance to draft George, but it doesn’t seem like a very West Coast pick sadly

 

[LittleFires]

Haven’t seen this posted yet

Interestingly Rohan was asked about Hewett’s supposed behavioural issues, seemed to bristle at it a bit and brush it off

 

[jesterwester]

Clarke looks like a decent pick up, but do we really want a small forward who tackles hard and will pass to a player in a better position?

Doesn’t seem like us, really.

 

[Ridge Renegade]

I really want Charlie Clarke tomorrow now.

With he and Hewett joining the ranks we can really ramp the campaigner-levels at the club up to 11.

F$&@ing all for it. We’ve been too nice for too long. Ginbey looks like he wants a crack at sh!tmixing Brayden Maynard & there’s nothing wrong with Hewett being confident in his ability; he’s got heaps of it.

I’m not saying any newbies should go lighting anyone on fire on a Tuesday night in Glendalough.

I am saying; even if these new campaigners can’t swim across the Swan River, I like it when they’ve got the balls to think they can.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Left field prediction - Lemmey is a chance at 29

We’ve been linked to him in more than one source

Give me Burgiel at 23 and I’m still happy

 

[Keys]

Left field prediction - Lemmey is a chance at 29

We’ve been linked to him in more than one source

Give me Burgiel at 23 and I’m still happy

Wasn’t there some real concerns around him that saw his form disappear totally

Bit of a risk is he not?

 

[TerryFilk]

Wasn’t there some real concerns around him that saw his form disappear totally

Bit of a risk is he not?

Yeah apparently he had some serious mental health issues this year. I’m not sure I’d bother with him or Scully unless it was a rookie spot, but I expect both will get snapped up at some point

 

[WCE_phil]

Ok so some things from night 1.

For all the media talk I was actually shocked when Geelong picked Clark, I was certain they were drafting Busslinger.

The Dogs bid on Fletcher purely out of spite for losing Dunkley. The dogs genuinely wanted two top 10-15 picks for him.

Essendon had an in principle deal with Sydney for pick 17 for Hewett (got this info today) however even with Hewett off the board Sydney got a much better deal out of the Hawks and actually gave up who they would have drafted with their pick 14.

Carlton were interested in Allan but the interest was always with their second draft pick and only if Hollands was off the board. (club got it's first choice in the first round for the role) The price for trading up for him in the first round was considered too steep and of little benefit after securing Hollands. The club did want to trade both their first and second round picks higher for another player and Allan but it never got close to getting off the ground. (they were certain if the trade went through Hollands would have been off the board in between the picks)

Sydney absolutely destroyed GWS draft planning. Making them pay up for their Academy pick and then picking their number 1 choice small in Konstanty before GWS could have their next pick. GWS thought they'd get 4 live picks in by selling off the first pick of the second round for a slightly later second and a future second before having to match. I think it means unless someone puts a big offer in front of GWS overnight they will be wanting that live pick. Sydney's first choice for 17 is still on the board and they are hoping he gets through to the pick they traded from the Hawks.

There are enough high quality names left on the board that West Coast should be able to get another small (and a tall from what i've heard) with the next two picks. If i were drafting for West Coast I think it would be Clarke and Burgiel but i'm not. (making the assumption Jakob Ryan is off the board)

I know of 1 offer already through to GWS for tomorrow's first pick for Jakob Ryan but it has already been knocked back.

For me there's been a few too many speculative picks already which has meant if the cards fall right tomorrow WCE have some great choices to pick from. I just hope the club hasn't made a promise on a certain player with our last planned pick. AFAIK the original was 4 planned picks. I hope the Club bids on Davey as I think Essendon match and it takes out one of the picks in between our first and second tomorrow.

I think Ginbey was a reach, however is potentially a very good pairing with Hewett and Culley. For as much as people want to give the pie man shit if Culley, Hewett, Chesser and Ginbey all come off as hoped the centre square is already fixed outside of a ruck.

Expecting Ryan, George and Hotton to be off the board pretty quick tomorrow.

 

[TerryFilk]

Ok so some things from night 1.

For all the media talk I was actually shocked when Geelong picked Clark, I was certain they were drafting Busslinger.

The Dogs bid on Fletcher purely out of spite for losing Dunkley. The dogs genuinely wanted two top 10-15 picks for him.

Essendon had an in principle deal with Sydney for pick 17 for Hewett (got this info today) however even with Hewett off the board Sydney got a much better deal out of the Hawks and actually gave up who they would have drafted with their pick 14.

Carlton were interested in Allan but the interest was always with their second draft pick and only if Hollands was off the board. (club got it's first choice in the first round for the role) The price for trading up for him in the first round was considered too steep and of little benefit after securing Hollands. The club did want to trade both their first and second round picks higher for another player and Allan but it never got close to getting off the ground. (they were certain if the trade went through Hollands would have been off the board in between the picks)

Sydney absolutely destroyed GWS draft planning. Making them pay up for their Academy pick and then picking their number 1 choice small in Konstanty before GWS could have their next pick. GWS thought they'd get 4 live picks in by selling off the first pick of the second round for a slightly later second and a future second before having to match. I think it means unless someone puts a big offer in front of GWS overnight they will be wanting that live pick. Sydney's first choice for 17 is still on the board and they are hoping he gets through to the pick they traded from the Hawks.

There are enough high quality names left on the board that West Coast should be able to get another small (and a tall from what i've heard) with the next two picks. If i were drafting for West Coast I think it would be Clarke and Burgiel but i'm not. (making the assumption Jakob Ryan is off the board)

I know of 1 offer already through to GWS for tomorrow's first pick for Jakob Ryan but it has already been knocked back.

For me there's been a few too many speculative picks already which has meant if the cards fall right tomorrow WCE have some great choices to pick from. I just hope the club hasn't made a promise on a certain player with our last planned pick. AFAIK the original was 4 planned picks. I hope the Club bids on Davey as I think Essendon match and it takes out one of the picks in between our first and second tomorrow.

I think Ginbey was a reach, however is potentially a very good pairing with Hewett and Culley. For as much as people want to give the pie man s**t if Culley, Hewett, Chesser and Ginbey all come off as hoped the centre square is already fixed outside of a ruck.

Expecting Ryan, George and Hotton to be off the board pretty quick tomorrow.

Thanks mate, brilliant as always.

I really want George with our first pick tomorrow if he’s on the board still, would you want to take him or not worth the gamble?

 

[HawkerHurricane]

NB yellow looking too canary and not enough Gold

i'm not sure it's even a NB guernsey..

 

[Wce17]

Ok so some things from night 1.

For all the media talk I was actually shocked when Geelong picked Clark, I was certain they were drafting Busslinger.

The Dogs bid on Fletcher purely out of spite for losing Dunkley. The dogs genuinely wanted two top 10-15 picks for him.

Essendon had an in principle deal with Sydney for pick 17 for Hewett (got this info today) however even with Hewett off the board Sydney got a much better deal out of the Hawks and actually gave up who they would have drafted with their pick 14.

Carlton were interested in Allan but the interest was always with their second draft pick and only if Hollands was off the board. (club got it's first choice in the first round for the role) The price for trading up for him in the first round was considered too steep and of little benefit after securing Hollands. The club did want to trade both their first and second round picks higher for another player and Allan but it never got close to getting off the ground. (they were certain if the trade went through Hollands would have been off the board in between the picks)

Sydney absolutely destroyed GWS draft planning. Making them pay up for their Academy pick and then picking their number 1 choice small in Konstanty before GWS could have their next pick. GWS thought they'd get 4 live picks in by selling off the first pick of the second round for a slightly later second and a future second before having to match. I think it means unless someone puts a big offer in front of GWS overnight they will be wanting that live pick. Sydney's first choice for 17 is still on the board and they are hoping he gets through to the pick they traded from the Hawks.

There are enough high quality names left on the board that West Coast should be able to get another small (and a tall from what i've heard) with the next two picks. If i were drafting for West Coast I think it would be Clarke and Burgiel but i'm not. (making the assumption Jakob Ryan is off the board)

I know of 1 offer already through to GWS for tomorrow's first pick for Jakob Ryan but it has already been knocked back.

For me there's been a few too many speculative picks already which has meant if the cards fall right tomorrow WCE have some great choices to pick from. I just hope the club hasn't made a promise on a certain player with our last planned pick. AFAIK the original was 4 planned picks. I hope the Club bids on Davey as I think Essendon match and it takes out one of the picks in between our first and second tomorrow.

I think Ginbey was a reach, however is potentially a very good pairing with Hewett and Culley. For as much as people want to give the pie man s**t if Culley, Hewett, Chesser and Ginbey all come off as hoped the centre square is already fixed outside of a ruck.

Expecting Ryan, George and Hotton to be off the board pretty quick tomorrow.

Cheers for that info, can you shed any light on the flowing questions?


Do you know if WCE where aware of the in-principal deal between Sydney & Essendon to get Hewitt? Did we jump at 13 on him because we knew he wouldn’t last until pick 20 or was he who we always wanted? Was Allan ever a chance at 13 for us?

Any idea if pick 9 was a choice between Ginbey & Poo? If so do you think they went Ginbey simply because he was a local?

Would WCE have any interest in the player Swans wanted at 17 who they are hoping will still be available at there next pick? I know they where linked to Hustwaite in the first round at one stage.

I’m assuming by what you’ve said that you think that GWS will pick Jacob Ryan with the first pick of the round if they don’t trade it?

Who would you like to see as avoid with the next couple of picks?

& finally what are your thoughts on the Hawks trade?

 

[Mattman93]

There are enough high quality names left on the board that West Coast should be able to get another small (and a tall from what i've heard)

I just hope the club hasn't made a promise on a certain player with our last planned pick

So is the certain player a tall?

 

[WCE_phil]

So is the certain player a tall?

No what i heard was there is a tall in the mix for the last pick. The potential promise to a certain player which the club has done in the past the player has already been alluded to by royal eagle. I really gave out all the info I can until after the rest of the draft tomorrow.

Apart from yes WCE got wind of the Hewett deal. I dont think Allan was ever a chance at 12/14 personally.

 

[new breed]

23- Coby Burgiel
29- Sam Gilbey

Steely Green , Jed Hagan chances

Barnett we could draft at #23 also in front of Burgiel hope lasts to # 29 .

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Ok so some things from night 1.

For all the media talk I was actually shocked when Geelong picked Clark, I was certain they were drafting Busslinger.

The Dogs bid on Fletcher purely out of spite for losing Dunkley. The dogs genuinely wanted two top 10-15 picks for him.

Essendon had an in principle deal with Sydney for pick 17 for Hewett (got this info today) however even with Hewett off the board Sydney got a much better deal out of the Hawks and actually gave up who they would have drafted with their pick 14.

Carlton were interested in Allan but the interest was always with their second draft pick and only if Hollands was off the board. (club got it's first choice in the first round for the role) The price for trading up for him in the first round was considered too steep and of little benefit after securing Hollands. The club did want to trade both their first and second round picks higher for another player and Allan but it never got close to getting off the ground. (they were certain if the trade went through Hollands would have been off the board in between the picks)

Sydney absolutely destroyed GWS draft planning. Making them pay up for their Academy pick and then picking their number 1 choice small in Konstanty before GWS could have their next pick. GWS thought they'd get 4 live picks in by selling off the first pick of the second round for a slightly later second and a future second before having to match. I think it means unless someone puts a big offer in front of GWS overnight they will be wanting that live pick. Sydney's first choice for 17 is still on the board and they are hoping he gets through to the pick they traded from the Hawks.

There are enough high quality names left on the board that West Coast should be able to get another small (and a tall from what i've heard) with the next two picks. If i were drafting for West Coast I think it would be Clarke and Burgiel but i'm not. (making the assumption Jakob Ryan is off the board)

I know of 1 offer already through to GWS for tomorrow's first pick for Jakob Ryan but it has already been knocked back.

For me there's been a few too many speculative picks already which has meant if the cards fall right tomorrow WCE have some great choices to pick from. I just hope the club hasn't made a promise on a certain player with our last planned pick. AFAIK the original was 4 planned picks. I hope the Club bids on Davey as I think Essendon match and it takes out one of the picks in between our first and second tomorrow.

I think Ginbey was a reach, however is potentially a very good pairing with Hewett and Culley. For as much as people want to give the pie man s**t if Culley, Hewett, Chesser and Ginbey all come off as hoped the centre square is already fixed outside of a ruck.

Expecting Ryan, George and Hotton to be off the board pretty quick tomorrow.

Expect the player Sydney wanted at 17 to be Barnett and the player we may have promised to pick be Kaleb Smith.

 

[FKASC]

Dreading the turnaround in mood on this board when our first pick today is someone nobody had even considered pre-draft

 

[omgfridge]

After getting 2 mids, feel like we may go Barnett? Then hope Burgiel is available with the later pick. I'm pretty happy with lots of scenarios including us going Clarke.

Don't really see the urgent need to grab a key defender.

 

[The Passenger]

Excellent.

Was a big Eagles fan, happy to pick him up in two years for a 3rd rounder before he explodes.

Yep - we haven't exactly been able to pull young talent away from GCS or GWS, but here's hoping that changes.

It should be a drafting and trading strategy of all other 16 clubs to be honest.

 

[The Passenger]

• AFL really needs to change the bidding rules. Getting pick 2 for 5 picks in the 30s/40s is a joke.

So much this. Suma Magic did a great thread on what the real draft points should look like: Analysis - Accurate points curve and table

IMO the rule should be you can only match points with two draft picks. This means clubs have to trade all these mid-range picks to work their way up the board and get something approaching what looks like a reasonable trade.

They already get a 15 (or 20?) per cent discount on F/S and academy picks, without factoring in how overvalued middle and low draft picks are.

 

[salo]

The Dogs bid on Fletcher purely out of spite for losing Dunkley. The dogs genuinely wanted two top 10-15 picks for him.

Is that true? Fletcher looks like a gun and the bid at that pick doesn't feel like a reach at all.

 

[Obeanie1]

Expect the player Sydney wanted at 17 to be Barnett and the player we may have promised to pick be Kaleb Smith.

I dont get the Kaleb Smith hype TBH.

Think there are better players and at 29 he's a reach.

He's quick sure but what else?

 

[Obeanie1]

Ok so some things from night 1.

For all the media talk I was actually shocked when Geelong picked Clark, I was certain they were drafting Busslinger.

The Dogs bid on Fletcher purely out of spite for losing Dunkley. The dogs genuinely wanted two top 10-15 picks for him.

Essendon had an in principle deal with Sydney for pick 17 for Hewett (got this info today) however even with Hewett off the board Sydney got a much better deal out of the Hawks and actually gave up who they would have drafted with their pick 14.

Carlton were interested in Allan but the interest was always with their second draft pick and only if Hollands was off the board. (club got it's first choice in the first round for the role) The price for trading up for him in the first round was considered too steep and of little benefit after securing Hollands. The club did want to trade both their first and second round picks higher for another player and Allan but it never got close to getting off the ground. (they were certain if the trade went through Hollands would have been off the board in between the picks)

Sydney absolutely destroyed GWS draft planning. Making them pay up for their Academy pick and then picking their number 1 choice small in Konstanty before GWS could have their next pick. GWS thought they'd get 4 live picks in by selling off the first pick of the second round for a slightly later second and a future second before having to match. I think it means unless someone puts a big offer in front of GWS overnight they will be wanting that live pick. Sydney's first choice for 17 is still on the board and they are hoping he gets through to the pick they traded from the Hawks.

There are enough high quality names left on the board that West Coast should be able to get another small (and a tall from what i've heard) with the next two picks. If i were drafting for West Coast I think it would be Clarke and Burgiel but i'm not. (making the assumption Jakob Ryan is off the board)

I know of 1 offer already through to GWS for tomorrow's first pick for Jakob Ryan but it has already been knocked back.

For me there's been a few too many speculative picks already which has meant if the cards fall right tomorrow WCE have some great choices to pick from. I just hope the club hasn't made a promise on a certain player with our last planned pick. AFAIK the original was 4 planned picks. I hope the Club bids on Davey as I think Essendon match and it takes out one of the picks in between our first and second tomorrow.

I think Ginbey was a reach, however is potentially a very good pairing with Hewett and Culley. For as much as people want to give the pie man s**t if Culley, Hewett, Chesser and Ginbey all come off as hoped the centre square is already fixed outside of a ruck.

Expecting Ryan, George and Hotton to be off the board pretty quick tomorrow.

Darcy Jones looked dissappointed.

Do you think the Eagles were keen at pick 22?

 

[ziad]

Ok so some things from night 1.

For all the media talk I was actually shocked when Geelong picked Clark, I was certain they were drafting Busslinger.

The Dogs bid on Fletcher purely out of spite for losing Dunkley. The dogs genuinely wanted two top 10-15 picks for him.

Essendon had an in principle deal with Sydney for pick 17 for Hewett (got this info today) however even with Hewett off the board Sydney got a much better deal out of the Hawks and actually gave up who they would have drafted with their pick 14.

Carlton were interested in Allan but the interest was always with their second draft pick and only if Hollands was off the board. (club got it's first choice in the first round for the role) The price for trading up for him in the first round was considered too steep and of little benefit after securing Hollands. The club did want to trade both their first and second round picks higher for another player and Allan but it never got close to getting off the ground. (they were certain if the trade went through Hollands would have been off the board in between the picks)

Sydney absolutely destroyed GWS draft planning. Making them pay up for their Academy pick and then picking their number 1 choice small in Konstanty before GWS could have their next pick. GWS thought they'd get 4 live picks in by selling off the first pick of the second round for a slightly later second and a future second before having to match. I think it means unless someone puts a big offer in front of GWS overnight they will be wanting that live pick. Sydney's first choice for 17 is still on the board and they are hoping he gets through to the pick they traded from the Hawks.

There are enough high quality names left on the board that West Coast should be able to get another small (and a tall from what i've heard) with the next two picks. If i were drafting for West Coast I think it would be Clarke and Burgiel but i'm not. (making the assumption Jakob Ryan is off the board)

I know of 1 offer already through to GWS for tomorrow's first pick for Jakob Ryan but it has already been knocked back.

For me there's been a few too many speculative picks already which has meant if the cards fall right tomorrow WCE have some great choices to pick from. I just hope the club hasn't made a promise on a certain player with our last planned pick. AFAIK the original was 4 planned picks. I hope the Club bids on Davey as I think Essendon match and it takes out one of the picks in between our first and second tomorrow.

I think Ginbey was a reach, however is potentially a very good pairing with Hewett and Culley. For as much as people want to give the pie man s**t if Culley, Hewett, Chesser and Ginbey all come off as hoped the centre square is already fixed outside of a ruck.

Expecting Ryan, George and Hotton to be off the board pretty quick tomorrow.

Interesting that the Swans justified their trades as they felt the tallent dropped after 7-8 and that they are very confident that they can get the same 'type of player' at 27 that would have been available at 17. Good for us I guess.

I think we need KP talls next up.

 

[Obeanie1]

Clarke looks like a decent pick up, but do we really want a small forward who tackles hard and will pass to a player in a better position?

Doesn’t seem like us, really.

Perfect Cripps replacement is Clarke.

And the kid is a much better kick on goal than Cripps and tackles harder. Can get up the ground and is a good kick inside the forward 50. Bit bigger than Cripps to.

The only hesitation is if we are set on Dewar and Baker. Both can also play half forward.

 

[Obeanie1]

Interesting that the Swans justified their trades as they felt the tallent dropped after 7-8 and that they are very confident that they can get the same 'type of player' at 27 that would have been available at 17. Good for us I guess.

I think we need KP talls next up.

So mate are you still unhappy with split pick 2?

We certainly addressed the midfield needs.