List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Jez1974]

There’s no chance Flynn is moved on a year early with our ruck stocks. Sadly I don’t see a situation where we leave with our 1R pick and the Chad. It’s one or the other. Swans would ask for our 1R and F2 rather than Hawks 1R and our F1 if finishing positions don’t change. I’m on board with developing Barnett and Maric as KPDs. Archer I want to keep developing at CHF, but would rather he play KPD for the Eagles than KPF for the Beagles if it comes to it.

Cody Curtin with Hawks 1R and Josh Lindsay with our own 2R would be my priorities as well as taking the best KPD or ruck in the MSD. Our 1R turns into (most of) The Chad or Rodriguez IMO. The rest of the picks are to match bids on our NGA and FS kids.

No groove there!

 

[WCE777]

There’s no chance Flynn is moved on a year early with our ruck stocks. Sadly I don’t see a situation where we leave with our 1R pick and the Chad. It’s one or the other. Swans would ask for our 1R and F2 rather than Hawks 1R and our F1 if finishing positions don’t change. I’m on board with developing Barnett and Maric as KPDs. Archer I want to keep developing at CHF, but would rather he play KPD for the Eagles than KPF for the Beagles if it comes to it.

Cody Curtin with Hawks 1R and Josh Lindsay with our own 2R would be my priorities as well as taking the best KPD or ruck in the MSD. Our 1R turns into (most of) The Chad or Rodriguez IMO. The rest of the picks are to match bids on our NGA and FS kids.

Depending on how Barnett progresses next year and Flynn performs.
Flynn being AFLW ruck coach and if he doesn't perform he could be put on a rookie contract to cover ruck stocks.
Either either if Sydney want our 1R and F2 or Hawks 1R and our F1st.
Just buy another high end 1st round with our 2026 1st and whatever it takes to get a top 5 pick for the best available mid to us.
Cody Curtin is a ripper, so is J Lindsay.
I still cant get on board with picking another ruck that isn't ready to play, would rather a 23-25yo ruck that's big enough and decent enough to fill the no1 ruck spot for another 5+ years.
I think it will all depend on the development of Maric, Barnett in KDEF roles where our priorities will be with KDEF.
2025 OOC players or 22-24yo KDEF players from the state leagues or players like Blight or Busslinger would be option 2 if Maric and Barnett haven't progressed enough, probably still need 1 of Blight/Busslinger type to fill in the hole that Gove will leave.

 

[FKASC]

Are people seriously writing off 7 players for next seasons delistings already?

How about we give this overused unfunny joke a rest? Its right up there with posting Gee on anything to do with Venables and putting in Jack Watts as a poll option as embarrassing crap just clogging up threads

 

[Monocle]

There’s no chance Flynn is moved on a year early with our ruck stocks. Sadly I don’t see a situation where we leave with our 1R pick and the Chad. It’s one or the other. Swans would ask for our 1R and F2 rather than Hawks 1R and our F1 if finishing positions don’t change. I’m on board with developing Barnett and Maric as KPDs. Archer I want to keep developing at CHF, but would rather he play KPD for the Eagles than KPF for the Beagles if it comes to it.

Cody Curtin with Hawks 1R and Josh Lindsay with our own 2R would be my priorities as well as taking the best KPD or ruck in the MSD. Our 1R turns into (most of) The Chad or Rodriguez IMO. The rest of the picks are to match bids on our NGA and FS kids.

Personally I am very much on the lets button with chasing The Chad at this point in time.

Just way to many " what if's " to unfold and be answered in 2025, as how things pan out, before I start committing to handing over seriously valuable draft capital for him.

For me it's very much - reassess our options and strategies at round 14-16 of next season.

Paying overs for The Chad, concerns me.

 

[We_The_West]

Having just returned from a trip to Melbourne and getting a few glimpses of the Herald Sun, I find it quite surprising how bullish people are on Richmond's draft haul.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one in this camp, but looking at the above I find at least 3 of the picks quite speculative.

Lalor I believe will be a gun and a great pick. Smillie has a high ceiling, but a lower probability of becoming an A grade mid just based on the fact 195cm mids are fewer and far between.

Hotton we just didn't see enough of in his draft year. He played a few great early games, but I would still say that pick 12 is a high value pick to be used on an injured player, albeit if any team had a quantity of picks and could afford a gamble, then Richmond was that team.

Jonty Faull I do rate and believe he has a chance of making it in the AFL. I just didn't have him rated as the #1 KPF.

Trainor with his concussions issues seems pretty speculative, especially given he is classed more as an interceptor rather than a lockdown defender (surely interceptors backing into packs doesn't bode well for concussion probability). As well as Thomas Sims but only because he was taken ahead of Jobe which was a surprise to a lot of people.

As a WC supporter however, I couldn't be any happier with their draft. The fact that we had Bo Allan, Jobe Shanahan and Tom Gross all slide to our picks seems too good to be true and I have high hopes for those 3 in particular.

I know probably half the draftees from the past 3 years will probably not make the cut, but I feel more confident that we are heading in the right direction and will take another valuable step in 2025... at least compared to Richmond.

 

[eaglevision]

Personally I am very much on the lets View attachment 2190210 button with chasing The Chad at this point in time.

Just way to many " what if's " to unfold and be answered in 2025, as how things pan out, before I start committing to handing over seriously valuable draft capital for him.

For me it's very much - reassess our options and strategies at round 14-16 of next season.

Paying overs for The Chad, concerns me.

I do share you caution, the big question is can the Chad translate his form being surrounded by a very good ruck and midfield to a team with a below average ruck and midfield. If the answer is yes then I’ve mentioned where I think the trade lands as a then 24yo mid among the league’s best is a better age profile than a top end 18yo mid for us.

But as you say, what if he’s a downhill skier benefiting from having great players around him. We've been burnt before and it’s likely Pyke told him we’d do what me must to get the deal done during their leisurely round of golf. If Sydney get a few midfield injuries and Warner isn’t roving to Grundy I’ll be watching that game with intent.

 

[Obeanie1]

The first six you have mentioned are gone IMO. Petch is a FA so a band 3 off the would be superb but we’d be lucky to get band 4. Next cabs off the rank for me would be Hunt, Brockman then Dewar depending on need. Chesser would also want to have a good year. Hutch and Maric I would 100% keep. Liam can go for the right price.

Dewar will need to fall off the cliff to be let go. Showed plenty in 2024.

 

[ghostbat12]

Cripps - retire
Sheed - put down
Jamison
Hunt
Barnett or Flynn - we can’t keep going with both
Livingstone
Rawlinson

Need to find their afl level performances or gone:
Chesser
Brock

Retirement looms (hopefully not):
Gov

Petrucelle would, I think, suit the new gameplan. But prone to injury.

 

[We_The_West]

Cripps - retire
Sheed - put down
Jamison
Hunt
Barnett or Flynn - we can’t keep going with both
Livingstone
Rawlinson

Need to find their afl level performances or gone:
Chesser
Brock

Retirement looms (hopefully not):
Gov

Petrucelle would, I think, suit the new gameplan. But prone to injury.

Don't forget Tom Cole... practically captain of the Beagles 2025

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I do share you caution, the big question is can the Chad translate his form being surrounded by a very good ruck and midfield to a team with a below average ruck and midfield. If the answer is yes then I’ve mentioned where I think the trade lands as a then 24yo mid among the league’s best is a better age profile than a top end 18yo mid for us.

But as you say, what if he’s a downhill skier benefiting from having great players around him. We've been burnt before and it’s likely Pyke told him we’d do what me must to get the deal done during their leisurely round of golf. If Sydney get a few midfield injuries and Warner isn’t roving to Grundy I’ll be watching that game with intent.

To be fair to warner this past season was the first they had a decent ruckman .

Even then Grundy is an average ruckman in regards to giving his team first use of the ball .

He gets lots of hit outs but not to a great advantage

 

[eaglevision]

Dewar will need to fall off the cliff to be let go. Showed plenty in 2024.

He improved markedly in the back half of the season but I’m nowhere near considering a lock for an extension but yes plenty of deadwood to be cut before he is considered, will just depend on how many players are coming in.

To be fair to warner this past season was the first they had a decent ruckman .

Even then Grundy is an average ruckman in regards to giving his team first use of the ball .

He gets lots of hit outs but not to a great advantage

I agree with you but he also feeds ball out in the contest, very unusual for him not to have at least 10-12 handballs feeding the mids. Imagine if we got that from our boys each game.

 

[Rowan18]

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Having just returned from a trip to Melbourne and getting a few glimpses of the Herald Sun, I find it quite surprising how bullish people are on Richmond's draft haul.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one in this camp, but looking at the above I find at least 3 of the picks quite speculative.

Lalor I believe will be a gun and a great pick. Smillie has a high ceiling, but a lower probability of becoming an A grade mid just based on the fact 195cm mids are fewer and far between.

Hotton we just didn't see enough of in his draft year. He played a few great early games, but I would still say that pick 12 is a high value pick to be used on an injured player, albeit if any team had a quantity of picks and could afford a gamble, then Richmond was that team.

Jonty Faull I do rate and believe he has a chance of making it in the AFL. I just didn't have him rated as the #1 KPF.

Trainor with his concussions issues seems pretty speculative, especially given he is classed more as an interceptor rather than a lockdown defender (surely interceptors backing into packs doesn't bode well for concussion probability). As well as Thomas Sims but only because he was taken ahead of Jobe which was a surprise to a lot of people.

As a WC supporter however, I couldn't be any happier with their draft. The fact that we had Bo Allan, Jobe Shanahan and Tom Gross all slide to our picks seems too good to be true and I have high hopes for those 3 in particular.

I know probably half the draftees from the past 3 years will probably not make the cut, but I feel more confident that we are heading in the right direction and will take another valuable step in 2025... at least compared to Richmond.

The only draft watching I did was read people's opinions on here, so I can't really comment on their haul, other than I was surprised with some of the talls they took over others that were available.

What it does say to me is how badly they've backed themselves into a corner trying to rebuild in one or two drafts. They were smart to take a lot of talls, as they can take 3-5 years to develop, but they're in for a world of pain as they also need to play them someone to allow them to develop. We saw what this looks like with our injury crisis (meaning experienced players weren't playing) but that's going to be them every week.

They're doing the best they can (given their senior players wanted to leave), but I always think of that win we had against them at home in 2021 as the moment both clubs fell off a cliff. We went straight to the bottom (partly through luck at being so bad at managing injury), while they traded players in to slow the fall. I fell like we're starting to climb up a bit while they're probably locked in to win 1 or 2 more spoons.

 

[Wadsworth]

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Having just returned from a trip to Melbourne and getting a few glimpses of the Herald Sun, I find it quite surprising how bullish people are on Richmond's draft haul.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one in this camp, but looking at the above I find at least 3 of the picks quite speculative.

Lalor I believe will be a gun and a great pick. Smillie has a high ceiling, but a lower probability of becoming an A grade mid just based on the fact 195cm mids are fewer and far between.

Hotton we just didn't see enough of in his draft year. He played a few great early games, but I would still say that pick 12 is a high value pick to be used on an injured player, albeit if any team had a quantity of picks and could afford a gamble, then Richmond was that team.

Jonty Faull I do rate and believe he has a chance of making it in the AFL. I just didn't have him rated as the #1 KPF.

Trainor with his concussions issues seems pretty speculative, especially given he is classed more as an interceptor rather than a lockdown defender (surely interceptors backing into packs doesn't bode well for concussion probability). As well as Thomas Sims but only because he was taken ahead of Jobe which was a surprise to a lot of people.

As a WC supporter however, I couldn't be any happier with their draft. The fact that we had Bo Allan, Jobe Shanahan and Tom Gross all slide to our picks seems too good to be true and I have high hopes for those 3 in particular.

I know probably half the draftees from the past 3 years will probably not make the cut, but I feel more confident that we are heading in the right direction and will take another valuable step in 2025... at least compared to Richmond.

It's almost like the quantity of picks they had affected their thinking too much. With the quantity of picks they had, they are the ones who could afford to take a risk to shoot for the stars and afford for a pick to fail.

They could take a risk on someone like Smillie with a very high ceiling, but lower probability of reaching that ceiling... or they could afford to take a risk on Hotton after his injury this year... or they could afford to take a bit of a risk on Trainor and his concussions... or they could afford to reach a bit on someone like Faull that maybe they liked a bit more than consensus.

But that should apply to one or two of their picks, not cumulatively applied to all of them. I guess they have a few years of premium picks ahead of them.

 

[FKASC]

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Having just returned from a trip to Melbourne and getting a few glimpses of the Herald Sun, I find it quite surprising how bullish people are on Richmond's draft haul.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one in this camp, but looking at the above I find at least 3 of the picks quite speculative.

Lalor I believe will be a gun and a great pick. Smillie has a high ceiling, but a lower probability of becoming an A grade mid just based on the fact 195cm mids are fewer and far between.

Hotton we just didn't see enough of in his draft year. He played a few great early games, but I would still say that pick 12 is a high value pick to be used on an injured player, albeit if any team had a quantity of picks and could afford a gamble, then Richmond was that team.

Jonty Faull I do rate and believe he has a chance of making it in the AFL. I just didn't have him rated as the #1 KPF.

Trainor with his concussions issues seems pretty speculative, especially given he is classed more as an interceptor rather than a lockdown defender (surely interceptors backing into packs doesn't bode well for concussion probability). As well as Thomas Sims but only because he was taken ahead of Jobe which was a surprise to a lot of people.

As a WC supporter however, I couldn't be any happier with their draft. The fact that we had Bo Allan, Jobe Shanahan and Tom Gross all slide to our picks seems too good to be true and I have high hopes for those 3 in particular.

I know probably half the draftees from the past 3 years will probably not make the cut, but I feel more confident that we are heading in the right direction and will take another valuable step in 2025... at least compared to Richmond.

The herald sun is basically an extension of the Richmond media team

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I think 7 is about right, 2 x Warners, Banfield, Walley, Evans, a 1R and a 2R as a minimum. Then we’re also likely to add a player via SSP or MSD.

Add Jake Caton couldn't be more impressed with his training stint at WCE

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

My records show the following out of contract players (age end of 2025)

Senior list - 11
Sheed (30)
Hunt (30)
Kelly (31)
Allen (26)
Cripps (33)
Chesser (22)
McGovern (33)
Petruccelle (26)
Cole (28)
Bazzo (21)
Jamieson (24)

Rookies - 3
Rawlinson (20)
Dewar (21)
Hutchinson (23)

Cat B - 1
Livingston (20)

Player No 44 will be SSP or mid season draft likely to be a 1 year contract

Too soon to write anyone off including Sheed.
McGovern and Cripps will be older but may well get another gig if their body stays fit and they adapt to new coach
Chesser and Bazzo for various reasons have not shown they can make it yet. So 2025 will see them playing for their career and we will not worry what pick we used on them
Champion, Walley and Evans will be putting huge pressure on Rawlinson to step up or he will be gone (lucky to stay IMHO). Dewar made better progress but will need to continue to build
Jamieson is a tease as he cannot stay fit so most likely back to Claremont

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Add Jake Caton couldn't be more impressed with his training stint at WCE

What position do you see Caton playing?

 

[Obeanie1]

My records show the following out of contract players (age end of 2025)

Senior list - 11
Sheed (30)
Hunt (30)
Kelly (31)
Allen (26)
Cripps (33)
Chesser (22)
McGovern (33)
Petruccelle (26)
Cole (28)
Bazzo (21)
Jamieson (24)

Rookies - 3
Rawlinson (20)
Dewar (21)
Hutchinson (23)

Cat B - 1
Livingston (20)

Player No 44 will be SSP or mid season draft likely to be a 1 year contract

Too soon to write anyone off including Sheed.
McGovern and Cripps will be older but may well get another gig if their body stays fit and they adapt to new coach
Chesser and Bazzo for various reasons have not shown they can make it yet. So 2025 will see them playing for their career and we will not worry what pick we used on them
Champion, Walley and Evans will be putting huge pressure on Rawlinson to step up or he will be gone (lucky to stay IMHO). Dewar made better progress but will need to continue to build
Jamieson is a tease as he cannot stay fit so most likely back to Claremont

A tad harsh with Bazzo playing for his career at only 21 years?

After two interrupted years the first being family tragedy related.

Did we move on Barrass and McGovern after only 3 years?

Ben McKay didn't debut till his 5th year.

 

[Bacchus]

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Having just returned from a trip to Melbourne and getting a few glimpses of the Herald Sun, I find it quite surprising how bullish people are on Richmond's draft haul.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one in this camp, but looking at the above I find at least 3 of the picks quite speculative.

Lalor I believe will be a gun and a great pick. Smillie has a high ceiling, but a lower probability of becoming an A grade mid just based on the fact 195cm mids are fewer and far between.

Hotton we just didn't see enough of in his draft year. He played a few great early games, but I would still say that pick 12 is a high value pick to be used on an injured player, albeit if any team had a quantity of picks and could afford a gamble, then Richmond was that team.

Jonty Faull I do rate and believe he has a chance of making it in the AFL. I just didn't have him rated as the #1 KPF.

Trainor with his concussions issues seems pretty speculative, especially given he is classed more as an interceptor rather than a lockdown defender (surely interceptors backing into packs doesn't bode well for concussion probability). As well as Thomas Sims but only because he was taken ahead of Jobe which was a surprise to a lot of people.

As a WC supporter however, I couldn't be any happier with their draft. The fact that we had Bo Allan, Jobe Shanahan and Tom Gross all slide to our picks seems too good to be true and I have high hopes for those 3 in particular.

I know probably half the draftees from the past 3 years will probably not make the cut, but I feel more confident that we are heading in the right direction and will take another valuable step in 2025... at least compared to Richmond.

Agree with you.

Richmond were in a position to fill their boots and don’t appear to have done so - to the relief of every other team.

Think WC did very well with our limited set of picks.

 

[eaglevision]

Add Jake Caton couldn't be more impressed with his training stint at WCE

To add to AsterixTheGaul can you also tell us a little more about your thoughts on his strengths/weakness and game style? Assuming he doesn’t end up in the 1R/2R that’s 8 players minimum I think we take.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

A tad harsh with Bazzo playing for his career at only 21 years?

After two interrupted years the first being family tragedy related.

Did we move on Barrass and McGovern after only 3 years?

Ben McKay didn't debut till his 5th year.

Fair call and I am happy if Bazzo starts to show potential at WAFL - he does not need to be great at the AFL level.

I sense Clarke will be in a hurry with some players and Bazzo will probably be last to get chopped.

Barrass had an injury interrupted year 1 and only managed reserves
In his second, he started in reserves and then got promoted and by the end of 2015 was looking solid at WAFL League level and even cracked a couple or AFL games.
Come 2016 and his 3rd year, Tom was burning it up in the WAFL in the first half of the year and got to play 10 games at AFL level later in the year



I hope you are not using Ben McKay as a benchmark for our players!!!

 

[eaglevision]

A tad harsh with Bazzo playing for his career at only 21 years?

After two interrupted years the first being family tragedy related.

Did we move on Barrass and McGovern after only 3 years?

Ben McKay didn't debut till his 5th year.

I don’t think it’s particularly harsh, just an observation that he’s proven little at AFL level which is correct. Of course his injuries and family tragedy need to be factored in, I don’t see him being moved on this year but he’s need to show a bit to get more than a one year extension IMO.

 

[eaglevision]

My records show the following out of contract players (age end of 2025)

Senior list - 11
Sheed (30)
Hunt (30)
Kelly (31)
Allen (26)
Cripps (33)
Chesser (22)
McGovern (33)
Petruccelle (26)
Cole (28)
Bazzo (21)
Jamieson (24)

Rookies - 3
Rawlinson (20)
Dewar (21)
Hutchinson (23)

Cat B - 1
Livingston (20)

Gov, Kelly, Oscar and Hutch are the only ones I would consider safe on that list.

Cole, Dewar, Bazzo, Chesser and Hunt would want good seasons.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

Add Jake Caton couldn't be more impressed with his training stint at WCE

Any relation to Kevin Caton (1 game for WCE in 88)?

 

[kane249]

Any relation to Kevin Caton (1 game for WCE in 88)?

Nephew