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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[briztoon]

Your last point about aging out is why Brisbane and Carlton copped 10 year rebuilds.

20 years.

Leigh Matthews raised that with the board after 2003.

Asked if they wanted to try for a fourth or start a rebuild by trading some players after 2003.

He discussed this on a Lions podcast recently.

Said if we tried for a fourth, it would mean a significantly longer rebuild.

But we also had crap administration for a long time, and a crap player culture for a long time.

It hinges on whether the young talent develops enough to take over. I'm optimistic so far, but the next two years will answer the question. The 2021 draftees are into their fourth pre-season, so the smalls should start performing and the talls will be at the start of breaking out. If all goes well, in 2026 the likes of: Hough, Ginbey, Hewett, Reid should be driving the team with talls like: Bazzo, J Williams, A Reid, Barnett also becoming regular contributors.

I think there's enough talent there, but they need good development and to stay fit.

I’m most curious about who replaces Barrass and McGovern’s eventual successor.

With the trade of Barrass, that’s where I see a potential 2 steps forward (while McGovern is still in the team), and then a potential 1 step back (if a replacement for one or both is not found by the time McGovern retires).

It is a good time for a new coach and gameplan, as hopefully it evolves as those young players step up. Hawthorn's success last year is a good example of this working, Adelaide not so much (though their excellent trading should save them).

 

[Rowan18]

20 years.

Leigh Matthews raised that with the board after 2003.

Asked if they wanted to try for a fourth or start a rebuild by trading some players after 2003.

He discussed this on a Lions podcast recently.

Said if we tried for a fourth, it would mean a significantly longer rebuild.

But we also had crap administration for a long time, and a crap player culture for a long time.

I’m most curious about who replaces Barrass and McGovern’s eventual successor.

With the trade of Barrass, that’s where I see a potential 2 steps forward (while McGovern is still in the team), and then a potential 1 step back (if a replacement for one or both is not found by the time McGovern retires).

I think we can cover Barass at this stage. Edwards may be ready or a young tall could step up (Bazzo, Jameson, Barnett, A Reid). If young forwards step up (J Williams, Shanahan or A Reid up forward) then we could always play Oscar back. McGovern retiring will be the big test, as we will need 2 solid KPD by then.

We've got enough tall players on the list, but developing them in the right spots (forward or back) will be crucial.

 

[WCE777]

Your last point about aging out is why Brisbane and Carlton copped 10 year rebuilds. It hinges on whether the young talent develops enough to take over. I'm optimistic so far, but the next two years will answer the question. The 2021 draftees are into their fourth pre-season, so the smalls should start performing and the talls will be at the start of breaking out. If all goes well, in 2026 the likes of: Hough, Ginbey, Hewett, Reid should be driving the team with talls like: Bazzo, J Williams, A Reid, Barnett also becoming regular contributors.

I think there's enough talent there, but they need good development and to stay fit.

It is a good time for a new coach and gameplan, as hopefully it evolves as those young players step up. Hawthorn's success last year is a good example of this working, Adelaide not so much (though their excellent trading should save them).

100%
Most draftees take 3-4 to show their potential or 50 games.
The list has lots of young talent to develop, biggest job over 2025-6 imo.
We might have another 8-10 in the 22-24 drafts on top of those you have mentioned who are best 22 in 3 years, pretty good foundation of a team, add some trades/FA and you have a very nice team in 2027.

 

[eaglevision]

I think we can cover Barass at this stage. Edwards may be ready or a young tall could step up (Bazzo, Jameson, Barnett, A Reid). If young forwards step up (J Williams, Shanahan or A Reid up forward) then we could always play Oscar back. McGovern retiring will be the big test, as we will need 2 solid KPD by then.

We've got enough tall players on the list, but developing them in the right spots (forward or back) will be crucial.

We need to scour the competition for established or more developed KPDs. Zach Reid and Jacob Blight would be low cost options to start. Drafting Cody Curtin IMO is crucial.

 

[mattyc75]

We need to scour the competition for established or more developed KPDs. Zach Reid and Jacob Blight would be low cost options to start. Drafting Cody Curtin IMO is crucial.

Let's hope Jamieson or Barnett can show something..anything

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[eaglevision]

Let's hope Jamieson or Barnett can show something..anything

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Jamieson, Barnett, Edwards, Bazzo or even BWilliams. We don’t even have a B Grade KPD after Gov. Let’s hope the increased pressure up the ground is actually a thing.

 

[stallon]

I think we can cover Barass at this stage. Edwards may be ready or a young tall could step up (Bazzo, Jameson, Barnett, A Reid). If young forwards step up (J Williams, Shanahan or A Reid up forward) then we could always play Oscar back. McGovern retiring will be the big test, as we will need 2 solid KPD by then.

We've got enough tall players on the list, but developing them in the right spots (forward or back) will be crucial.

We need to scour the competition for established or more developed KPDs. Zach Reid and Jacob Blight would be low cost options to start. Drafting Cody Curtin IMO is crucial.

I think we have enough talls that we can fill the gap with "ok" players, even if Gov was to retire. We will know more by the end of the year.
If we dont see anything "very good" then Cody comes right into calculations

I dont think Cody Curtin is an absolute must right now, if Bazzo or Barnett have good years as KPDs, Maric shows aptitude at playing a 3rd tall sort of role, and Archer/Shanahan start to train back there then along with HEdwards we have enough.

The Swans made a grand final with Tom McCartin and some random fringe player as a KPD, we dont need 2 very strong KPDs

 

[eaglevision]

I think we have enough talls that we can fill the gap with "ok" players, even if Gov was to retire. We will know more by the end of the year.
If we dont see anything "very good" then Cody comes right into calculations

I dont think Cody Curtin is an absolute must right now, if Bazzo or Barnett have good years as KPDs, Maric shows aptitude at playing a 3rd tall sort of role, and Archer/Shanahan start to train back there then along with HEdwards we have enough.

The Swans made a grand final with Tom McCartin and some random fringe player as a KPD, we dont need 2 very strong KPDs

I don’t think either of these are likely to happen, but be great if it did.

The Swans did but look at their midfield and i50s against compared to ours and what happens when they come up against a strong, pressure midfield.

Jobe and Archer would be a waste in defence, for me they are our KPFs for the next decade after Oscar and Jake retire and will have opportunities before then.

We need to draft a KPD this year so their development isn’t too far behind our core young midfield.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yeah, we are pretty well stocked for those attacking mids. By 2026 ideally we have Reid and Hewett full time through the middle, just isnt a good fit to add in Warner too, just too much of the same. I think Allan should end up in a similar mould in a couple of years too, as an attacking mid closer to Yeos style.

We start having to put them forward, which isnt necessarily a bad thing, but what we gain by adding Warner with our mids to spend time forward would have to be weighed up against adding an actual small forward while keeping our existing mids in the middle. We have a lot of small forward options now, and in the near future

It can still work like how Port run with Rozee, Butters and JHF- they never have all 3 together at the same centre bounce, but its less optimal I think

Id rather Freddy and hope one of Hall/Gross/Ginbey/Grego/Hutchinson/whoever ends up being our inside mid extractor

Not a good fit to add a Warner?

Because we have Reid and Hewett?

If you can add a Warner to Reid and Hewett you do it.

At least then we would have one bonafida gun midfielder locked in long term.

Hewett has yet to arrive and could end up a low production half forward and Reid yet to commit.

If all three turned into stars then what a problem to have.

 

[mattyc75]

Jamieson, Barnett, Edwards, Bazzo or even BWilliams. We don’t even have a B Grade KPD after Gov. Let’s hope the increased pressure up the ground is actually a thing.

Yeah bazzo is actually a defender and may come good with a good run at it. HEdwards is the great white hope and could definitely hold down a spot but is injury plagued and not elite
So I've got my fingers crossed that maybe Barnett can grow a heart and/or Jamieson some talent to fill a kpd role

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[WCE777]

Yeah bazzo is actually a defender and may come good with a good run at it. HEdwards is the great white hope and could definitely hold down a spot but is injury plagued and not elite
So I've got my fingers crossed that maybe Barnett can grow a heart and/or Jamieson some talent to fill a kpd role

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Bazzo may come good but is probably undersized for KDEF, I see him as a depth KDEF player like Rotham at this stage, hope he has a decent run this year.
I think we are probably underestimating Maric's ability to be KDEF intercept player in Gov mode, he is a really good size, athletic, good mark and a really good kick, 2025 will tell.
Barnett showed a fair bit in the last couple of games of WAFL in defence to at least provide an option if he doesn't progress as a ruck.
Don't think Jamieson is the answer, would have more confidence in BW as a FB if Flynn has a decent season.
I think A Reid has all the attributes to be KDEF in the mode of a H Andrews, he is very good below his knees, very tall and athletic.
If a couple of them develop in KDEF we have a new backline, bring on 2025.

 

[WCE777]

Not a good fit to add a Warner?

Because we have Reid and Hewett?

If you can add a Warner to Reid and Hewett you do it.

At least then we would have one bonafida gun midfielder locked in long term.

Hewett has yet to arrive and could end up a low production half forward and Reid yet to commit.

If all three turned into stars then what a problem to have.

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[stallon]

I don’t think either of these are likely to happen, but be great if it did.

The Swans did but look at their midfield and i50s against compared to ours and what happens when they come up against a strong, pressure midfield.

Adding Warner and drafting an outside mid of some sort with one of our young mids coming on as a defensive mid leaves us with a pretty similar lineup to what the Swans have, but better forwards, our mids physically bigger, and a worse ruck.
I think in a couple of years with the mids we could have that inside 50 count wont look so bad

Jobe and Archer would be a waste in defence, for me they are our KPFs for the next decade after Oscar and Jake retire and will have opportunities before then.

Jobe and Archer will be the same age as Oscar and Jake are now by the time they can take over the #1 and #2 forward roles, if theyre not getting regular games by their 4th seasons at the latest im sure theyre both looking around at what else is out there. We probably need another 3+ years on top of that if theyre meant to replace Oscar and Jake.

We need to draft a KPD this year so their development isn’t too far behind our core young midfield.

If Barnett or Bazzo show something as KPDs, that late development wont be an issue. Im not going to rule them out just yet
Its really a question for the end of the year anyway, too many unknowns.

In my mind the ideal situation is that hawks 1st rounder that would get Curtin is for Warner anyway

 

[We_The_West]

If all goes well, in 2026 the likes of: Hough, Ginbey, Hewett, Reid should be driving the team with talls like: Bazzo, J Williams, A Reid, Barnett also becoming regular contributors

If we can get another 15-20 games into Hewett, Bazzo and Williams that would be a great start.

5-10 games for Barnett(KPD) and Archer with another year of development in a hopefully more competitive Beagles.

A lot of optimism around Archer and Shanahan of which I agree but I think JWilliams will make his move with a 20-25 goal 2025 and a 35+ goal 2026.

Genuine footy IQ and also a great mark which we've only seen him scratch the surface of in the AFL.

 

[stallon]

Not a good fit to add a Warner?

Because we have Reid and Hewett?

If you can add a Warner to Reid and Hewett you do it.

At least then we would have one bonafida gun midfielder locked in long term.

Hewett has yet to arrive and could end up a low production half forward and Reid yet to commit.

If all three turned into stars then what a problem to have.

I didnt say to not do it, but it might not be as impactful as many might be hoping.
Im just saying that he is not a "perfect fit" to round out a midfield consisting of Reid and Hewett. If we have those 3 in the same midfield we wont be getting full value out of them

I have Hewett as a full time mid by 2026/2027, im not as pessimistic on him as many here.

 

[stallon]

Bazzo may come good but is probably undersized for KDEF, I see him as a depth KDEF player like Rotham at this stage, hope he has a decent run this year.

Bazzo is listed at 195cm.
Using the Swans again as an example, Mccartin is 194cm and Melican is 194cm
Geelong have Henry at 192cm and Kolodjashnij at 193cm as their #2 and #3 KPDs
Brisbane had Payne at 196cm taking the main KPFs

Hes defnitely not undersized, he was always more of a #2 KPD anyway. Pair him with Edwards or something and itd be more than fine.

 

[We_The_West]

Bazzo is listed at 195cm.
Using the Swans again as an example, Mccartin is 194cm and Melican is 194cm
Geelong have Henry at 192cm and Kolodjashnij at 193cm as their #2 and #3 KPDs
Brisbane had Payne at 196cm taking the main KPFs

Hes defnitely not undersized, he was always more of a #2 KPD anyway. Pair him with Edwards or something and itd be more than fine.

Sam Collins 194cm
Jack Buckley 195cm
Jake lever 194cm
Jacob Weitering 195cm

I think the emphasis on team defence reduces the likelihood of the pagans' paddock 1v1 KP battles and the lack of need for giant 200cm KPDs

 

[WCE777]

Bazzo is listed at 195cm.
Using the Swans again as an example, Mccartin is 194cm and Melican is 194cm
Geelong have Henry at 192cm and Kolodjashnij at 193cm as their #2 and #3 KPDs
Brisbane had Payne at 196cm taking the main KPFs

Hes defnitely not undersized, he was always more of a #2 KPD anyway. Pair him with Edwards or something and itd be more than fine.

fair call, he has the frame and build to be a 2nd KPD like you say, hope he has a really good year as he deserves a decent run at it

 

[WCE777]

If we can get another 15-20 games into Hewett, Bazzo and Williams that would be a great start.

5-10 games for Barnett(KPD) and Archer with another year of development in a hopefully more competitive Beagles.

A lot of optimism around Archer and Shanahan of which I agree but I think JWilliams will make his move with a 20-25 goal 2025 and a 35+ goal 2026.

Genuine footy IQ and also a great mark which we've only seen him scratch the surface of in the AFL.

totally, JW is improving rapidly and looks set to take a KPF spot very soon, we may end up with 3 KPF sooner than many think.

 

[eaglevision]

Adding Warner and drafting an outside mid of some sort with one of our young mids coming on as a defensive mid leaves us with a pretty similar lineup to what the Swans have, but better forwards, our mids physically bigger, and a worse ruck.
I think in a couple of years with the mids we could have that inside 50 count wont look so bad

Jobe and Archer will be the same age as Oscar and Jake are now by the time they can take over the #1 and #2 forward roles, if theyre not getting regular games by their 4th seasons at the latest im sure theyre both looking around at what else is out there. We probably need another 3+ years on top of that if theyre meant to replace Oscar and Jake.

If Barnett or Bazzo show something as KPDs, that late development wont be an issue. Im not going to rule them out just yet
Its really a question for the end of the year anyway, too many unknowns.

In my mind the ideal situation is that hawks 1st rounder that would get Curtin is for Warner anyway

Given you views and my views it’s probably not worth us revisiting this until later in the season when we see how Bazzo and Barnett go. Hopefully you’re right and I’m wrong.

 

[Obeanie1]

All I was saying was when predicting where we'll be in a few years you can't factor in we'll have this player traded in or that player traded in because it rarely happens

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We havent traded in any players recently?

 

[WCE_phil]

Bazzo has a bit of a short reach for his height. He is more intercept than lockdown too.
Harry Edwards is a stopgap as far as im concerned. When he's not injured he's too slow to be the number one man against lead up forwards.
Maric is the perfect third tall / intercept tall defender.

We need someone who can lockdown key talls going into the future.

We still as of now need 2-3 high end midfield prospects. (particularly with skill outside)
We need a long term serviceable ruck.

Then we need list depth across lines and for the high level talent we have to develop into stars.

McGovern, Yeo, Kelly still need replacing.

That is just the honest read on the list.

Small and mid sized defenders outside of a key distributor we have coming out our arse.
We have plenty of small forwards and or will by the end of the year. Who makes the grade who knows but we have a plethora.
We have tall forwards not just for now but for the future.
We have great depth in developing talls.

Unless significant things happen in the trade and free agent situations the club is 4-5 years away from potentially seriously contending. Anyone who says otherwise is peddling bullshit.

 

[mattyc75]

We havent traded in any players recently?

Well as you well know your conversation on this subject has been going on for quite some time. And mostly over the years the players we all talk about recruiting on here never end up at the eagles. . Sure we got a few this year and that's great and hopefully we get Warner at the end of 25 but generally we haven't recruited anyone of note. I like hunt but he'll be long gone by the time we play finals. Brockman, well this could be his last season,current contract depending

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[WCE777]

Well as you well know your conversation on this subject has been going on for quite some time. And mostly over the years the players we all talk about recruiting on here never end up at the eagles. . Sure we got a few this year and that's great and hopefully we get Warner at the end of 25 but generally we haven't recruited anyone of note. I like hunt but he'll be long gone by the time we play finals. Brockman, well this could be his last season,current contract depending

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apart from Warner who would you have realistically on the radar to recruit over next 2 years?

 

[Obeanie1]

Bazzo has a bit of a short reach for his height. He is more intercept than lockdown too.
Harry Edwards is a stopgap as far as im concerned. When he's not injured he's too slow to be the number one man against lead up forwards.
Maric is the perfect third tall / intercept tall defender.

We need someone who can lockdown key talls going into the future.

We still as of now need 2-3 high end midfield prospects. (particularly with skill outside)
We need a long term serviceable ruck.

Then we need list depth across lines and for the high level talent we have to develop into stars.

McGovern, Yeo, Kelly still need replacing.

That is just the honest read on the list.

Small and mid sized defenders outside of a key distributor we have coming out our arse.
We have plenty of small forwards and or will by the end of the year. Who makes the grade who knows but we have a plethora.
We have tall forwards not just for now but for the future.
We have great depth in developing talls.

Unless significant things happen in the trade and free agent situations the club is 4-5 years away from potentially seriously contending. Anyone who says otherwise is peddling bullshit.

Hence why Pyke has stated many times the club will use all means to to improve the list.

Draft
Trades
Free Agency

No club builds a premiership list without trades and free agents. None. Zero. Nidda.

The quality of player development and the quality of trades and free agents will determine when we contend again.