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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 21/10/24) : Total 38...

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[garlic munchers]

We need to do what we did in 2017, hit the draft hard and get some quality youth in the door that can come into the side next year and contribute when required. They don’t need to be best 22 straight away but it’d be good if they could all, at a minimum, come in and play a role for a few games here and there, like Ledwards has done this year, and like guys like Allen and Petch did in 2018.

In retrospect, the 2017 draft ain't a game changer unless you consider 1 out of 5 to be good:

Jarrod Brander (pick 13) - jury is out, but seems the club has NFI if he can make it;
Oscar Allen (21) - future star, but keep in perspective as there are other better young KPF's (i.e. Max King);
Ryan (26) - mature ager, but very good;
Brayden Ainsworth (32) - Not up to it;
Petruccelle (38) - no chance of playing in a good side; and
Hamish Brayshaw (68).

 

[Mulldogg]

In retrospect, the 2017 draft ain't a game changer unless you consider 1 out of 5 to be good:

Jarrod Brander (pick 13) - jury is out, but seems the club has NFI if he can make it;
Oscar Allen (21) - future star, but keep in perspective as there are other better young KPF's (i.e. Max King);
Ryan (26) - mature ager, but very good;
Brayden Ainsworth (32) - Not up to it;
Petruccelle (38) - no chance of playing in a good side; and
Hamish Brayshaw (68).

1 out of 5 is unnecessarily harsh. Assume you’re saying Oscar Allen is the one? Or is it All Australian Liam Ryan?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I can actually see West Coast doing West Coast things and not selecting a midfielder with our first pick in this year's draft.

Rather, we do what we normally do and draft a tall or a half back flanker and hope they can turn into a midfielder.

I wouldn't even be shocked.

Haha, we should always be nervous.

But I do recall Bond saying that they are acutely aware of our lack of midfielders (young midfielders), and looking at the plethora of decent mids in this draft I can see us taking a good mid.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

1 out of 5 is unnecessarily harsh. Assume you’re saying Oscar Allen is the one? Or is it All Australian Liam Ryan?

Yeah I’m not sure whether he’s saying Ryan doesn’t count because he turned 21 the month before the draft, or Allen doesn’t count because he might not be as good as Max King?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Haha, we should always be nervous.

But I do recall Bond saying that they are acutely aware of our lack of midfielders (young midfielders), and looking at the plethora of decent mids in this draft I can see us taking a good mid.

Two of our three picks last year were genuine mids and the third was a forward who may push up into the middle.

Hopefully that’s part of an ongoing move to bolster the midfield, and not a “we did the midfield last year, let’s focus on other areas” sort of strategy.

 

[shooshka]

Possible delist for me, if he were a 18/19 year old he's form is quite good. But as a mature ager less so.

I mean possible being dependent on what happens with others.

Needs to be our new Hutchings. Maybe not a pure tagger - but a real defensive mid.

He can tackle and crack in. We have enough of the silky type players - but need a lot more grunt (blocking, tackling, bullocking).

Also, he is the one bloke in the squad (maybe add Yeo as well) who can blame fitness for form/output. He is yet to do an AFL preseason (TBF it seems like most of our squad failed to do one this year). Will be interesting to see if there is improvement there for him as he gets fitter.

 

[shooshka]

In retrospect, the 2017 draft ain't a game changer unless you consider 1 out of 5 to be good:

Jarrod Brander (pick 13) - jury is out, but seems the club has NFI if he can make it;
Oscar Allen (21) - future star, but keep in perspective as there are other better young KPF's (i.e. Max King);
Ryan (26) - mature ager, but very good;
Brayden Ainsworth (32) - Not up to it;
Petruccelle (38) - no chance of playing in a good side; and
Hamish Brayshaw (68).

Ainsworth and Brayshaw both busts, agreed.

Ryan and Allen both elite choices. Smashed it out of the park.

Petruccelle - we've been a good side for years, and he's been getting games (and, to be fair, has been getting better this year whilst a lot of the team gets worse). Jury is still out - but there is a role there for him if he can get his hammies right (they have limited his pace, or his desire to use it, and that hurts his game to a point where he shouldn't get a gig)

Brander is the interesting one. I think he'll make it somewhere - it is just whether that is with us, or at another team. Not going to be an elite player in the comp, but a handy contributor.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

In retrospect, the 2017 draft ain't a game changer unless you consider 1 out of 5 to be good:

Jarrod Brander (pick 13) - jury is out, but seems the club has NFI if he can make it;
Oscar Allen (21) - future star, but keep in perspective as there are other better young KPF's (i.e. Max King);
Ryan (26) - mature ager, but very good;
Brayden Ainsworth (32) - Not up to it;
Petruccelle (38) - no chance of playing in a good side; and
Hamish Brayshaw (68).

Max King was also taken at pick 4 vs 21 for Allen.

That's like the difference in draft picks between Chris Judd and Scott Selwood (3 vs 22).

We nailed the absolute shit out of that pick.

 

[juddy_Like]

The only trades I’ll be doing is to get as high up the draft order as possible.
I.e. up to Gold Coast pick with say Pick 10 and Brander (just as an example) or the bulldogs first for our two second rounders.

 

[Obeanie1]

I think we are all in agreement that we MUST invest our 1st and two 2nd round picks in the draft.

So what scope do we have in potentially trading out a player or two in order to bring back in other players? Who would have some value and interest and who would we let go?

Duggan - interesting especially knee wise. Valued but not a key player.
Cole - against interesting as this season he has been reasonable, still young and teams would be interested.
Rotham - out of contract and teams would be hoping to nab a best 25 player cheap like we did with Yeo.
Brander - no need to say any more.
Nelson - a depth role player with some aggressive traits, 4th rounder value.
Waterman - FS and his best ahead of him. Would both be and wouldn't be shocked if something happened.
Petruccelle - the red fararri. He would attract interest for sure because he shows glimpses of being very good.

If we could move Gaff for a 2nd I would. Even a future 2nd.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

They needed to be drafted 10 years ago.

Same as kytel. But he didn't get drafted because he wasn’t a good player he didn't get drafted because he was lazy and a massive tosser to boot

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Same as kytel. But he didn't get drafted because he wasn’t a good player he didn't get drafted because he was lazy and a massive tosser to boot

He still is lazy.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

He still is lazy.

And not a tosser ?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

And not a tosser ?

Don't know him mate

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I think we are all in agreement that we MUST invest our 1st and two 2nd round picks in the draft.

So what scope do we have in potentially trading out a player or two in order to bring back in other players? Who would have some value and interest and who would we let go?

Duggan - interesting especially knee wise. Valued but not a key player.
Cole - against interesting as this season he has been reasonable, still young and teams would be interested.
Rotham - out of contract and teams would be hoping to nab a best 25 player cheap like we did with Yeo.
Brander - no need to say any more.
Nelson - a depth role player with some aggressive traits, 4th rounder value.
Waterman - FS and his best ahead of him. Would both be and wouldn't be shocked if something happened.
Petruccelle - the red fararri. He would attract interest for sure because he shows glimpses of being very good.

If we could move Gaff for a 2nd I would. Even a future 2nd.

Happy to keep all of brander , duggan and petrecelle.
Offload gaff hopefully get another 2nd rounder and some salary cap back .
Sheed can play gaffs role if he chooses to be a soft outside player .
A top 10 pick + 3x 2nd rounders in the draft .
Or trade 2nd rounders to get another 1st rounder

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Happy to keep all of brander , duggan and petrecelle.
Offload gaff hopefully get another 2nd rounder and some salary cap back .
Sheed can play gaffs role if he chooses to be a soft outside player .
A top 10 pick + 3x 2nd rounders in the draft .
Or trade 2nd rounders to get another 1st rounder

Duggan and Petch are dime a dozen players, if we can get a pick for them then do it. Duggan is much better than Petch but we have seen his best and it aint that good.
I would keep Gaff over Sheed, Gaff will kill it if he left and went to a decent team. Sheed butchers it and is way to slow.

Not sure about Brander, he has been given opportunities and failed to make a spot his own. If he wanted to go then I would just do it.

I like Rotham but he makes many mistakes, maybe just needs clearer instructions. Cole I would put up, tries his guts out but makes so many mistakes.
Waterman, Gov and Sheed I would all put up but they have contracts so it won't happen.
We will recruit for our WAFL side in the draft and not much change will happen to our list until a new coach appears in a year or two.
We have to remember if the club chooses to rebuild then we are likely stuck with Simpson for at least 3-5 years.

 

[garlic munchers]

1 out of 5 is unnecessarily harsh. Assume you’re saying Oscar Allen is the one? Or is it All Australian Liam Ryan?

When the quote was in response to WC going hard at youth in the draft like 2017, I would have thought we were talking 18/19 year olds only.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

When the quote was in response to WC going hard at youth in the draft like 2017, I would have thought we were talking 18/19 year olds only.

Ryan turned 21 the month before the draft. I wouldn’t exclude that from “going hard at youth”. Especially when I also mentioned getting players that can contribute straight away.

 

[garlic munchers]

Max King was also taken at pick 4 vs 21 for Allen.

That's like the difference in draft picks between Chris Judd and Scott Selwood (3 vs 22).

We nailed the absolute sh*t out of that pick.

So 13 is looking so/so, but we nailed 21?

Whohooo.

Zac Baily or Wil Powell as opposed to Brandner, would have made the 2017 draft awesome.

As it stands, 2017 was a solid year with 1 contributor to 2018 and pretty much 2 of 5 contributing to what we all surely agree, is shocking 2021.

 

[KERRPOW]

Redden was in our best today and last week.
You know what you're going to get from him.

West and XON shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Redden.

West is extremely poorly skilled.
XON can't find it.
Had 3 possessions in the first half today.

I agree with you, but we need to start regenerating somehow.

JK is a generational player so if he decides to go another year, fair call.

We cant go into next year with the exact same line up and expect to make top 4.

 

[garlic munchers]

Ryan turned 21 the month before the draft. I wouldn’t exclude that from “going hard at youth”. Especially when I also mentioned getting players that can contribute straight away.

Actually thought you referred to 2017 and said "hit the draft hard and get some quality youth in the door that can come into the side next year and contribute when required".

Seeing as only one of the 2017 crop was capable of even playing a game in 2018, 2017 isn't a great reference; but get your point.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Actually thought you referred to 2017 and said "hit the draft hard and get some quality youth in the door that can come into the side next year and contribute when required".

Seeing as only one of the 2017 crop was capable of even playing a game in 2018, 2017 isn't a great reference; but get your point.

By “the 2017 crop” I was referring to the players taken in the 2017 draft (Brander, Allen etc).

 

[Rowan18]

Personally think Witherden and Langdon have plenty of upside and will both come good, we often have issues settling new guys in our team. Foley and Nelson both go alright, solid role players or depth, West goes in hard and is worth persevering with, don't know much about Johnson, Jamieson and Trew yet. But given the state of the list and the team, I think there's plenty of room to cut if we have enough picks. Vardy, Hutchings and one of Hurn/Kennedy to retire (Hurn is my pick), delist Ainsworth, Ah Chee, potentially O'Neill, plus a rookie or two, Venables already gone, potentially trade Brander. If we can package up some pics for a higher pick, we have the potential to come out with a solid draft hand and reset for the future.

Witherden is essential to any future attacking gameplan. Looked to play on at all costs yesterday and was right amongst it. Didn't always come off, but that was much better than Gov kicking to the dreaded right hand side after each behind.

 

[Rowan18]

North did the right thing .
Harvey would have never retired
Petrie was holding up development of younger players
Furrito was past it

They may not have liked it but norf were going nowhere but mid table playing those old guys .

They dropped down the ladder and have looked way better than a wooden spoon team this year .

They will do a Melbourne and explode up the ladder in the next few years .

Great, so they did a clean out in 2016 and now, 5 seasons later, are winning the spoon but should come good in a few years. I hope our club never goes through and 8 to 10 year rebuild.

 

[WCErevival]

I agree with you, but we need to start regenerating somehow.

JK is a generational player so if he decides to go another year, fair call.

We cant go into next year with the exact same line up and expect to make top 4.

Well Simmo said we will be regenerating the list similar to a few years ago so I doubt we will go in the same as this year.