List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Jumpoff Joey]

Why is everyone popping their cookies over Deven Robertson

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Deven Robertson

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

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He's not going to be our saviour, could be half decent I suppose but I just don't see A grade personally.

The kid has links to the club, also helps adding another midfielder who is young that would be cheap.

No one knows if he can play but he did have a decent performance in the under 18's. I think he won the Larke medal and we have usually done very well with those in the past.

 

[briztoon]

Think he dominated or at least performed in the top few in the 18s carnival few years back .....the AFL has a way or working youngsters out and whether they are up to the grade or not .
I think Robertson would be worth a late second rounder after Eagles make top 4 this year !@ dreaming maybe .

He won the Larke medal for best kid at the U18 Championships, 1 point ahead of Luke Jackson.

There were some handy inside mids he played against. This kid called Rowell, and some kid who plays for Freo and won a rising star. He actually beat up on Serong, to the point that VIC country moved Serong out of the midfield and in to the forward line in the second half, because Serong couldn’t do anything inside.

Now he’s stuck behind Lachie Neale and Jarrod Lyons.

 

[FKASC]

How does Luke Jackson compare?

Same hitout winning %, lower hitouts to advantage. He’s 8cm shorter than English though, and 4+ years younger. Hard to gauge given he’s mostly only pinch hit in the ruck

 

[bh90210fan]

Without NN our ruck stocks are the worst in the comp. Given that we won’t have him around much longer going forward the ruck position is our most pressing need imo. I don’t know how long people think we’re going to be out of contention for but English still has 6/7 years of decent footy in him.

Unless Strnadica or Bailey step up big time this season we should go for English and build around that. If we can get him for a couple of early seconds or by splitting an early first and dishing one off we should do it.

 

[bh90210fan]

Same hitout winning %, lower hitouts to advantage. He’s 8cm shorter than English though, and 4+ years younger. Hard to gauge given he’s mostly only pinch hit in the ruck

Thanks for that. Just trying to get my head around some willing to pay heaven and earth for Jackson when he’s only around the same mark as English as a ruck when Tim would cost a fraction of the price.

 

[FKASC]

Thanks for that. Just trying to get my head around some willing to pay heaven and earth for Jackson when he’s only around the same mark as English as a ruck when Tim would cost a fraction of the price.

It’s unlikely English showed anywhere near the match-winning ability Jackson has within the same number of games. Jackson is a more skilled Nic Nat IMO, he’s that good.

Granted I watch every Melbourne game, but generally choose not to watch WB so haven’t followed English as closely. I wouldn’t say no to English but know we’ll jeopardise our development by trading out too many good picks that should be used to draft midfielders.

 

[hbk2015]

Thanks for that. Just trying to get my head around some willing to pay heaven and earth for Jackson when he’s only around the same mark as English as a ruck when Tim would cost a fraction of the price.

Well there are a lot of reasons, Jackson is 4 years younger and already better. So your getting a 20 year old with arguably 10 years of footy left in him. Jackson is already a much better all-round footballer than English

 

[THE A5]

we need freaks

Ok papi

 

[Into The Black]

It’s unlikely English showed anywhere near the match-winning ability Jackson has within the same number of games. Jackson is a more skilled Nic Nat IMO, he’s that good.

Granted I watch every Melbourne game, but generally choose not to watch WB so haven’t followed English as closely. I wouldn’t say no to English but know we’ll jeopardise our development by trading out too many good picks that should be used to draft midfielders.

That's a huge statement. I've never seen a more skilled big man than Nic. But as you say you watch Melbourne all the time.

 

[bh90210fan]

It’s unlikely English showed anywhere near the match-winning ability Jackson has within the same number of games. Jackson is a more skilled Nic Nat IMO, he’s that good.

Granted I watch every Melbourne game, but generally choose not to watch WB so haven’t followed English as closely. I wouldn’t say no to English but know we’ll jeopardise our development by trading out too many good picks that should be used to draft midfielders.

Jackson has the same hitout winning % as English though, which I wouldn’t say is like NN at all. He’s an oversized utility who can play all over the ground, more like English imo. The difference between English and Jackson is their hardness at the contest, where Jackson is a standout. If English can improve in that area he’ll be worth his weight in gold. So far this season, he has improved

 

[RanaNaved]

I really, really like Jackson, but the hype around him is over the top imo.

The way some people are talking about him now, you'd think he's an elite mid, an elite KF and an elite ruck.

If you isolate his ability in each position it's not as impressive. Probably like 6/7 out of 10 as a ruck, 5 or 6 as a KF and 4 as a mid.

You'd be paying up like he's already elite in every position though, which would be risky as hell.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

He won the Larke medal for best kid at the U18 Championships, 1 point ahead of Luke Jackson.

There were some handy inside mids he played against. This kid called Rowell, and some kid who plays for Freo and won a rising star. He actually beat up on Serong, to the point that VIC country moved Serong out of the midfield and in to the forward line in the second half, because Serong couldn’t do anything inside.

Now he’s stuck behind Lachie Neale and Jarrod Lyons.

What do you think he’s worth in trade capital? Thinking this trade period where he is out of contract and Fagan is social distancing Robertson from the b22

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I really, really like Jackson, but the hype around him is over the top imo.

The way some people are talking about him now, you'd think he's an elite mid, an elite KF and an elite ruck.

If you isolate his ability in each position it's not as impressive. Probably like 6/7 out of 10 as a ruck, 5 or 6 as a KF and 4 as a mid.

You'd be paying up like he's already elite in every position though, which would be risky as hell.

That’s the thing about football - if he can do it like he did in the Big Dance, it means so much more

 

[RanaNaved]

That's a little simplistic. He had a good GF so is worth spending millions and multiple high draft picks on?

 

[new breed]

Both Freo and WCE have shown interest so suppose you never know but the price would be scary high and he is a FREO supporter although idolised NicNat .

 

[WCE_phil]

Just remember Tom Boyd played a great grand final as well. It didn't make him a great player. I think Jackson is a future star but all it takes is one major knee injury and that explosive athleticism could be gone which is the feature of his game as he's undersized as a ruck.

 

[mattyc75]

Just remember Tom Boyd played a great grand final as well. It didn't make him a great player. I think Jackson is a future star but all it takes is one major knee injury and that explosive athleticism could be gone which is the feature of his game as he's undersized as a ruck.

Glass empty kinda guy hey.
Nic nat didnt really lose his explosive athleticism after 2 knees

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Just remember Tom Boyd played a great grand final as well. It didn't make him a great player.

Sheed, Hutch and Schofield are all GOATs though.

 

[FKASC]

Jackson has the same hitout winning % as English though, which I wouldn’t say is like NN at all. He’s an oversized utility who can play all over the ground, more like English imo. The difference between English and Jackson is their hardness at the contest, where Jackson is a standout. If English can improve in that area he’ll be worth his weight in gold. So far this season, he has improved

Yeah I shouldn’t have said the NN thing because he’s not as good a tap ruckman as him, but he has similar athletic attributes and is a much better kick (hence the skills comment) and seems to be able to read the play better.

You just rarely see big men of that age make such an impact. Like Nic Nat you know he’s going to impact the game when he’s involved.

Like I said I can’t comment as much on English but was just posting screenshots of his stats out of curiosity really.

What I don’t think is that he would be a ‘fraction of the price’ of Jackson. He’d cost us a good first rounder minimum. That’s OK for a contending team but I think we’re 5 years away from contending.

 

[BOND 007]

Yeah I shouldn’t have said the NN thing because he’s not as good a tap ruckman as him, but he has similar athletic attributes and is a much better kick (hence the skills comment) and seems to be able to read the play better.

You just rarely see big men of that age make such an impact. Like Nic Nat you know he’s going to impact the game when he’s involved.

Like I said I can’t comment as much on English but was just posting screenshots of his stats out of curiosity really.

What I don’t think is that he would be a ‘fraction of the price’ of Jackson. He’d cost us a good first rounder minimum. That’s OK for a contending team but I think we’re 5 years away from contending.

Allowing for your time frame - that'd make him 30ish which seems like a perfect age to play a hybrid fwd/ruck role in a team that's contending.

 

[Keys]

Allowing for your time frame - that'd make him 30ish which seems like a perfect age to play a hybrid fwd/ruck role in a team that's contending.

That would also then be a perfect time to target him as a free agent

 

[BOND 007]

That would also then be a perfect time to target him as a free agent

Theoretically yes but I'll play devils advocate.
1) someone like him is likely to fast track you to contention given 25-32 is generally the peak of a players span
2) the longer someone is away from home, the greater the chance of them setting up roots.
3) the old saying comes into play "take opportunities when they arise, they may never come again"

 

[mattyc75]

Theoretically yes but I'll play devils advocate.
1) someone like him is likely to fast track you to contention given 25-32 is generally the peak of a players span
2) the longer someone is away from home, the greater the chance of them setting up roots.
3) the old saying comes into play "take opportunities when they arise, they may never come again"

Would you use a high pick to get english back this year or use that pick on broadbent if hes available?

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[Eastcoasteagle]

I had two concerns with Williams predraft, lack of athleticism and height.

I always thought at 195cm, if he lacks the ability to launch and out jump his opponent, he’d struggle at afl level.

Athleticism, surely not. He's come from a basketball background and this would be one of his strengths.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Williams 'officially' 198cm, Hough 'officially) 190cm.

I was at the Eagles/Nth game and when Williams and Callum Jamieson (who is 200cm) were standing together posing for photos they looked pretty much the same height.

Likewise at the Eagles/Pies game Hough and Waterman (193cm) looked pretty much the same height too.

There may be a difference, but it's negligible.

Yeah agreed, I thought that at the game. Williams I reckon definitely 200cm now.