List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[kane249]

Shark Darts

Dack Sharts

 

[Obeanie1]

Sounds like we'll have excellent midfield options even if our draft pick is as high as 5 (it won't be, but still).

So trading pick 1 for 5 and something else making it worth it is an option worth considering.

If we want a good mid there are still great options a 5.

 

[shooshka]

So trading pick 1 for 5 and something else making it worth it is an option worth considering.

If we want a good mid there are still great options a 5.

If we are trading from 1 down to 5, that something else would have to be a mid-teens pick wouldn't it?

1-down-to-2, sure a mid-2nd round might get it done. 1-down-to-3 - early 2nd. Outside of that we would want at least 15/16 I would have thought, maybe more.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

It would have to be a bloody good deal, like the rumoured deal Adelaide were offering up to Norf.

And it's early days yet, by the time we get to the draft whoever is available at our pick might be head and shoulders above what we'd get with lower picks, in which case we should keep it.

 

[3agles87]

He’s allegedly not dealing with the sh!t show that is North at the moment. What makes you believe he’d leave one for another?

Sorry, I try to be polite when visiting opposition boards, but sometimes someone says something that just triggers me.

You do realise that not commenting on every crazy suggestion is an option too, right?

Because in responding to this one crazy suggestion, you rubbed everyone else’s nose in it, just saying.

 

[briztoon]

Because unlike the shitshow at North or the one that existed at Brisbane until recent years, we’re unlikely to take a decade to sort out our current issues

Not that I think JHF is remotely likely to head west, but you know sometimes someone just says something that triggers me

Yep, we were a sh!t show for nearly a decade and a half, because of the nuffies at the top. It wasn’t until the AFL stepped in and parachuted Greg Swann, then Noble and Fagan in to the club, that we righted our ship.

Same for Gold Coast, but their issues go deeper, because they were never set up properly to begin with, unlike GWS. (And they still have some issues higher up).


So, how high up do your current issues stem?

Is it purely at the playing group level, or higher?

 

[briztoon]

If we are trading from 1 down to 5, that something else would have to be a mid-teens pick wouldn't it?

1-down-to-2, sure a mid-2nd round might get it done. 1-down-to-3 - early 2nd. Outside of that we would want at least 15/16 I would have thought, maybe more.

In 2016, we traded back from pick 2 to pick 3, and got pick 16 back.

In reality the deal was much more complex, and involved a lot of late picks, and it was with GWS who had two first round academy kids In the draft as well.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

Hanging out at the fantasy forums =/= deleting your account.

We want a name change! Fart Sharts? Dark Sharts? F@rk Sharks?!

I think he should relocate to South Africa and come back as Dork Shorks.

 

[briztoon]

You do realise that not commenting on every crazy suggestion is an option too, right?

Because in responding to this one crazy suggestion, you rubbed everyone else’s nose in it, just saying.

I haven’t commented on every crazy suggestion.

And yes, I was aware what I’d likely let myself in for.

I always find it funny that supporters are happy with their own criticising their own club, but when an oppo does it, all hell (sometimes) breaks loose.

 

[briztoon]

It would have to be a bloody good deal, like the rumoured deal Adelaide were offering up to Norf.

And it's early days yet, by the time we get to the draft whoever is available at our pick might be head and shoulders above what we'd get with lower picks, in which case we should keep it.

We had that discussion on our board a while back. Basically most posters were saying that ship had sailed, and that North would likely get significantly less than what that trade offered.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Seems to be a very good draft for mids in what has been touted repeatedly as a talls draft.

 

[paran]

We had that discussion on our board a while back. Basically most posters were saying that ship had sailed, and that North would likely get significantly less than what that trade offered.

I would offer pick 1 for JHF. I doubt he's ever going to be a s3xy superstar, but he's A grade. No way anyone give up 3 x 1sts...
I honestly doubt Norf received much in extra revenue from touting JHF as pick 1... Myeb they agreed to not bidding pick 1 as part of getting Stephenson.

 

[bzparkes]

Just keep no.1 and take Wardlaw. Exactly what we need.

 

[Keys]

Yep, we were a sh!t show for nearly a decade and a half, because of the nuffies at the top. It wasn’t until the AFL stepped in and parachuted Greg Swann, then Noble and Fagan in to the club, that we righted our ship.

Same for Gold Coast, but their issues go deeper, because they were never set up properly to begin with, unlike GWS. (And they still have some issues higher up).


So, high up do your current issues stem?

Is it purely at the playing group level, or higher?

I think our problems are two-fold.

One is the natural cycle of a list that contended for several years leading to a dearth of high end draft picks. It’s well documented that it’s been a decade since we used a top 10 draft pick (2010) and only had access to one in that time (pick 6 in 2013 which we traded down to picks 11 and 29). That lack of access was compounded by the Kelly trade

In essence we were due for a down period because that’s how the system is designed. This can be rectified with judicious use of the high draft picks we’ll have access to for the next 3 years at least. Our 2021 draft (Chesser, Hough, Bazzo, Williams and Clark) was a promising sign that we’re capable of identifying talent after some lean years

The other problem is more significant as standards have been allowed to slip across all areas of the club from coaching to playing group to fitness to administration

For the moment, it would appear that the men in the two highest positions overseeing that demise of standards (Nisbett and Simpson) are going to be given the opportunity to turn things around. Whether that’s a good or bad thing remains to be seen although there are justified doubts since they’ve effectively led us into our current hole

For the optimistic among us, Nisbett is a very experienced operator who has led us out of dark times before and Simpson has shown he can coach a team to success. It should also be noted that there have been contributing factors outside their control that have exacerbated the problems we’ve created

Whether they stay or go, however, there will need to be an overhaul of staff throughout the club to help generate change. The appointment of Schofield and Knights as senior assistant coaches last year was a beginning but we need to look at our fitness staff and also our recruiters given that department holds the keys to the rebuild

We are a well resourced club that has shown over its history an ability to bounce back and minimise down periods so I’m hopeful we do it again. Although I will say, I don’t think we’ve been in quite as deep a rut as we are now

 

[shooshka]

I think our problems are two-fold.

One is the natural cycle of a list that contended for several years leading to a dearth of high end draft picks. It’s well documented that it’s been a decade since we used a top 10 draft pick (2010) and only had access to one in that time (pick 6 in 2013 which we traded down to picks 11 and 29). That lack of access was compounded by the Kelly trade

In essence we were due for a down period because that’s how the system is designed. This can be rectified with judicious use of the high draft picks we’ll have access to for the next 3 years at least. Our 2021 draft (Chesser, Hough, Bazzo, Williams and Clark) was a promising sign that we’re capable of identifying talent after some lean years

The other problem is more significant as standards have been allowed to slip across all areas of the club from coaching to playing group to fitness to administration

For the moment, it would appear that the men in the two highest positions overseeing that demise of standards (Nisbett and Simpson) are going to be given the opportunity to turn things around. Whether that’s a good or bad thing remains to be seen although there are justified doubts since they’ve effectively led us into our current hole

For the optimistic among us, Nisbett is a very experienced operator who has led us out of dark times before and Simpson has shown he can coach a team to success. It should also be noted that there have been contributing factors outside their control that have exacerbated the problems we’ve created

Whether they stay or go, however, there will need to be an overhaul of staff throughout the club to help generate change. The appointment of Schofield and Knights as senior assistant coaches last year was a beginning but we need to look at our fitness staff and also our recruiters given that department holds the keys to the rebuild

We are a well resourced club that has shown over its history an ability to bounce back and minimise down periods so I’m hopeful we do it again. Although I will say, I don’t think we’ve been in quite as deep a rut as we are now

It is an interesting one though, because for all of our embarrassment this year are we really the 18th best team - and 80-100 points off top 8 sides?

Obviously performance says yes, but our squad, and talent (if all fit and available) are better than that (even if we are old and injury prone).

Not saying we are top 4, but that at times where we have been uncompetitive, with a clear run at it maybe we would have competed (Adelaide, North games etc).


Potentially we were due to get to this level in 2023 or 2024, but due to the perfect storm of circumstances we are here now. Not fun, but the silver lining is we are now ahead of the curve with the rebuild. As you say, drafted 5 guys last year who have potential, plus a MSD pick, and almost certain top-2 pick at the end of the year.

I'm sure we miss finals next year, but we may be in the 10-14 range rather than absolute cellar dwellers. The challenge then is how do we replace the remaining ageing players (who are still with us in 2023) - Nic for sure is the biggest one.

 

[eagles rule]

George Wardlaw no matter what..


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[MrWoollie]

Any love for Brayden George with our first pick? Powerful forward that can go into the midfield. Think he will get more midfield time and climb draft boards by the end of the year

You fool.

Don't the words...
'half back flanker who might transition into the midfield' mean anything to you?

 

[Rowan18]

I think our problems are two-fold.

One is the natural cycle of a list that contended for several years leading to a dearth of high end draft picks. It’s well documented that it’s been a decade since we used a top 10 draft pick (2010) and only had access to one in that time (pick 6 in 2013 which we traded down to picks 11 and 29). That lack of access was compounded by the Kelly trade

In essence we were due for a down period because that’s how the system is designed. This can be rectified with judicious use of the high draft picks we’ll have access to for the next 3 years at least. Our 2021 draft (Chesser, Hough, Bazzo, Williams and Clark) was a promising sign that we’re capable of identifying talent after some lean years

The other problem is more significant as standards have been allowed to slip across all areas of the club from coaching to playing group to fitness to administration

For the moment, it would appear that the men in the two highest positions overseeing that demise of standards (Nisbett and Simpson) are going to be given the opportunity to turn things around. Whether that’s a good or bad thing remains to be seen although there are justified doubts since they’ve effectively led us into our current hole

For the optimistic among us, Nisbett is a very experienced operator who has led us out of dark times before and Simpson has shown he can coach a team to success. It should also be noted that there have been contributing factors outside their control that have exacerbated the problems we’ve created

Whether they stay or go, however, there will need to be an overhaul of staff throughout the club to help generate change. The appointment of Schofield and Knights as senior assistant coaches last year was a beginning but we need to look at our fitness staff and also our recruiters given that department holds the keys to the rebuild

We are a well resourced club that has shown over its history an ability to bounce back and minimise down periods so I’m hopeful we do it again. Although I will say, I don’t think we’ve been in quite as deep a rut as we are now

2008 was a much bigger rut. Club culture was on the brink and we lost a brownlow champion for nothing (Cousins). We didn't even draft amazingly well in 07/08/09 (07 and 08 were solid but 09 was a disaster). A return to a strong culture, our vets finding form and we were back up in 2011/12.

I think culture is our problem now as well. Simmo and Nissy get next year, but if we continue getting thumped, I'd see Simmo gone before the bye (Nisbett possibly by end of year). They need to focus on getting the high achieving culture back, if they can't, we find someone else.

We're not the Brisbane Lions who were struggling to find members, making losses and laden with debt. The West Coast Eagles CEO position is probably one of the most sought after of any mid size company in the country (definitely in the sporting industry). If these guys don't perform, we'll get better people in and away we go.

 

[WCErevival]

We didn't even draft amazingly well in 07/08/09 (07 and 08 were solid but 09 was a disaster).

2009 a disaster? It netted us Lewis Broome who gave us the best high tackle/handball combo in preseason game history.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Shep was seen as a reach at 7 with Jetta and Lucas seen as the more obvious choices, but ultimately that selection paid off.

Everything after that though, pewwwww.

 

[paran]

2008 was a much bigger rut. Club culture was on the brink and we lost a brownlow champion for nothing (Cousins). We didn't even draft amazingly well in 07/08/09 (07 and 08 were solid but 09 was a disaster). A return to a strong culture, our vets finding form and we were back up in 2011/12.

I think culture is our problem now as well. Simmo and Nissy get next year, but if we continue getting thumped, I'd see Simmo gone before the bye (Nisbett possibly by end of year). They need to focus on getting the high achieving culture back, if they can't, we find someone else.

We're not the Brisbane Lions who were struggling to find members, making losses and laden with debt. The West Coast Eagles CEO position is probably one of the most sought after of any mid size company in the country (definitely in the sporting industry). If these guys don't perform, we'll get better people in and away we go.

Pretty bl00dy harsh there on the drafts...

2007:
Masten (215 gms)
Ebert (268 gms/76? @ Eagles)
Notte
Scooter (169 gms/135@ Eagles)
McGinnity (93 gms)
Pretty bl00dy good draft. 2 s 200 gamers, plus Scooter liekly would have been bar injuries... The fact we got Eberted and Notte didn't switch to Fb are the only real misses.

2008:
NicNat (208 gms)
Shuey (228 gms)
Swift
Ash Smith
J Jones
2 top 5 list players - A+.

2009:
Sheppard (216 gms)
Weedon
Stevens
A 200 gamer is good.

 

[briztoon]

2008 was a much bigger rut. Club culture was on the brink and we lost a brownlow champion for nothing (Cousins). We didn't even draft amazingly well in 07/08/09 (07 and 08 were solid but 09 was a disaster). A return to a strong culture, our vets finding form and we were back up in 2011/12.

I think culture is our problem now as well. Simmo and Nissy get next year, but if we continue getting thumped, I'd see Simmo gone before the bye (Nisbett possibly by end of year). They need to focus on getting the high achieving culture back, if they can't, we find someone else.

We're not the Brisbane Lions who were struggling to find members, making losses and laden with debt. The West Coast Eagles CEO position is probably one of the most sought after of any mid size company in the country (definitely in the sporting industry). If these guys don't perform, we'll get better people in and away we go.

that isn’t an insult to a QLD’er.

The idea of sporting club membership was/is a foreign concept in QLD. We’re in a non footy State, where the idea of membership in all sports was/is a bit foreign in the State in general.

As a state, we’re the biggest bandwagon, sports hopping, fickle supporters you will find in Australia. We love a winner and will pack out a stadium of any local winning team. But loser’s, heck there’s to many other teams to go watch.

We’re also soft when it comes to the weather. If it’s bellow 20 degrees, no one ain’t going out in that sh!t weather. We’ll stay home and watch it on TV.

Who buys a membership when you can just get tickets at the gate. I might go this weekend, but next week who knows, it might be cold(ish).

The Brisbane Bronco’s are the West Coast Eagles of the NRL, and the Lions have more members than the Broncos. Club membership just really isn’t a thing here.

We always had a core of 25k members (10k in Melbourne though) right through the bad years. We didn’t struggle to find members, we struggled to attract new members.

We have a different psyche here, so that ain’t an insult.

 

[Wild Kelly]

I haven’t commented on every crazy suggestion.

And yes, I was aware what I’d likely let myself in for.

I always find it funny that supporters are happy with their own criticising their own club, but when an oppo does it, all hell (sometimes) breaks loose.

Are you spending as much time across all clubs' sites or do you have a particular passion for WCEs?

 

[briztoon]

Are you spending as much time across all clubs' sites or do you have a particular passion for WCEs?

Nah. I explained this when I first jumped on.

I like following a teams rebuild.

Was following Freo for the past few years. Jumped off them last year, when I expected them to make finals this year.

 

[Spooky17]

George Wardlaw no matter what..


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