List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

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[dinnaz]

The interesting question emerging for me is: if Wardlaw is off the table, would we be tempted to go tall with Busslinger or Keeley? Sheezel might be deemed too flight-risky, and it seems an open question whether Phillipou is showing enough consistency to be deemed a top tier midfield prospect. Beyond that, no other mids seem to be firming as genuine pick 2/3 candidates.

I asked that question and got crucified for a few weeks haha
Seems we like our 2006 heroes over our 2018 champs.

 

[Spooky17]

The interesting question emerging for me is: if Wardlaw is off the table, would we be tempted to go tall with Busslinger or Keeley? Sheezel might be deemed too flight-risky, and it seems an open question whether Phillipou is showing enough consistency to be deemed a top tier midfield prospect. Beyond that, no other mids seem to be firming as genuine pick 2/3 candidates.

I really rate Gunslinger, but our midfield must be the priority with our first pick.

Ashcroft obviously not considered, so go Warlord or back ourselves to keep Cheezles

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I am a bit in the same camp as Phil.
Going to be an interesting last two months of the season for him as right at the minute to answer your question ECE I would not not be using our second rounder on him and definitely not if Phoenix Foster was still available.

All the three much touted SA talls come with a tantalising tease factor.

Keeler : best KPF in this draft, but a tease as his laconic style is difficult to read at times, is he holding back in cruise control or has he just gone AWOL for a period of the game?
He is a burst player the good bursts are breathtakingly good the rest …. not so much.
If he could just increase the number of bursts x 2, then he would be in the conversation for a top three pick.

Scully : Is he real ….. does he even exist …. when are we going to see him play?

Lemmey: A shadow of the player we watched in 2021,just what has happened ?

Right now my top rated KPP in the draft cohort are:

Gunslinger
Keeler
Foster

All of which I would comfortably spend a top 20 pick on.
After that the quality drops away pretty quickly.

The good thing is that there is still plenty of time to see what else emerges from the KPP pack… oh …. and it’s a bunched pack.

The bottom age talls are look better than this years crop.

No Cadman? As much as I've loved Foster, I'd have Cadman ahead.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

The interesting question emerging for me is: if Wardlaw is off the table, would we be tempted to go tall with Busslinger or Keeley? Sheezel might be deemed too flight-risky, and it seems an open question whether Phillipou is showing enough consistency to be deemed a top tier midfield prospect. Beyond that, no other mids seem to be firming as genuine pick 2/3 candidates.

If Wardlaw was off the table and Sheezel was deemed a slight risk, and yes from what I've seen so far Phillipou not yet pick 2 worthy. I'd let the phone ring on draft night, as they'll come hard for Busslinger. I think he could end up being the top rated player in the draft, he's not just a key back he plays a quarter back rebounding type defender with great movement of a half back and foot skills to match. I just don't think he's a need for us, if we didn't take Bazzo I'd be interested.
Suns and GWS desperately need a key defender!
Norf do to, and I wouldn't be surprised if they called him out, which would leave Wardlaw.

 

[Monocle]

No Cadman? As much as I've loved Foster, I'd have Cadman ahead.

I have Cadmam in the lead of the following bunch. I have only seen a little of him and yes he was good but I have learnt to hold my judgment till I have seen a larger body of work.
I have seen more of and been tracking Foster longer.

What I like in particular about Foster is that I think he can play either as a KPF or KPD.
I also liked what small sample I watched of Tregenza-Cashell he is as raw as they come, but there is something there with him.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

If Wardlaw was off the table and Sheezel was deemed a slight risk, and yes from what I've seen so far Phillipou not yet pick 2 worthy. I'd let the phone ring on draft night, as they'll come hard for Busslinger. I think he could end up being the top rated player in the draft, he's not just a key back he plays a quarter back rebounding type defender with great movement of a half back and foot skills to match. I just don't think he's a need for us, if we didn't take Bazzo I'd be interested.
Suns and GWS desperately need a key defender!
Norf do to, and I wouldn't be surprised if they called him out, which would leave Wardlaw.

Spot on with the Gunsliger. Just start watching what Cal Twomey starts printing and then you will get an understanding of whether there is hot interest in him. I am thinking Cal will be networking big time in Qld with the U16 carnival. To see the players? No. But the list managers and recruiters will be there big time.

The Suns have got so many second rounders that they may well tempt me with a slide back. Suns have picks 8, 26, 30, 33, 44, 48 etc. A slide back from 2 to 8 plus picks 26 and 30 might be enough. We on sell the 26 and 30 to Lions for their first (which I think may be as low as 14 if they miss a prelim but cannot see them with pick 18). We could do well with 8, 15, 20, 25 and 38. Especially if Hewett was still there at 8. it becomes even more attractive if the Suns lose a couple more and end up with pick 6.

I see GWS also jumping meaning it could be 2 for 5 and 23 plus a future second (might need to give back a future 3rd). The desire for GWS to have Taylor and Busslinger together would be tempting. That would give us 5, 20, 23, 25, and 38. Again, 38 and 25 could be bundled for Lions 15 leaving 5, 15, 20, 23 and 38.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Maybe they have contacted him and he's only considering a move to Victoria

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Maybe the vic media is just reporting he is interested in a move back to Victoria because they don't consider anyone else exists in the football world .

 

[ArdentEagle]

For all sexual or whore island related questions just inbox me.

See...I knew you had an obsession with size!!!

 

[dinnaz]

Spot on with the Gunsliger. Just start watching what Cal Twomey starts printing and then you will get an understanding of whether there is hot interest in him. I am thinking Cal will be networking big time in Qld with the U16 carnival. To see the players? No. But the list managers and recruiters will be there big time.

The Suns have got so many second rounders that they may well tempt me with a slide back. Suns have picks 8, 26, 30, 33, 44, 48 etc. A slide back from 2 to 8 plus picks 26 and 30 might be enough. We on sell the 26 and 30 to Lions for their first (which I think may be as low as 14 if they miss a prelim but cannot see them with pick 18). We could do well with 8, 15, 20, 25 and 38. Especially if Hewett was still there at 8. it becomes even more attractive if the Suns lose a couple more and end up with pick 6.

I see GWS also jumping meaning it could be 2 for 5 and 23 plus a future second (might need to give back a future 3rd). The desire for GWS to have Taylor and Busslinger together would be tempting. That would give us 5, 20, 23, 25, and 38. Again, 38 and 25 could be bundled for Lions 15 leaving 5, 15, 20, 23 and 38.

I think 8 is too far back for that move to be good for us to move 2, however I wouldn't mind picking up 6, 15, 20, 23 as 4 top end shots.
How many picks are we taking to the ND this year do you think?

 

[dinnaz]

Out Of Contract 2022
Joshua Kennedy	Retire
Shannon Hurn	Retire
Nicholas Naitanui	+2
Luke Shuey	+1
Jack Redden	+1
Willie Rioli	+2
Jackson Nelson	De-list
Alex Witherden	+2
Patrick Naish	De-list
Bailey Williams	+1
Callum Jamieson	+1
Luke Edwards	+1
Isiah Winder	+1
Jamaine Jones	+1
Luke Strnadica	+1
Connor West	+1
Hugh Dixon	De-list
Tom Joyce	De-list
Zane Trew	De-list
On List	To Draft
35	3
3	3

Thats just OOC at the end of this year, though I would move on Foley, O'Neill & Langdon 1 year early if possible

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Out Of Contract 2022
Joshua Kennedy	Retire
Shannon Hurn	Retire
Nicholas Naitanui	+2
Luke Shuey	+1
Jack Redden	+1
Willie Rioli	+2
Jackson Nelson	De-list
Alex Witherden	+2
Patrick Naish	De-list
Bailey Williams	+1
Callum Jamieson	+1
Luke Edwards	+1
Isiah Winder	+1
Jamaine Jones	+1
Luke Strnadica	+1
Connor West	+1
Hugh Dixon	De-list
Tom Joyce	De-list
Zane Trew	De-list
On List	To Draft
35	3
3	3

Thats just OOC at the end of this year, though I would move on Foley, O'Neill & Langdon 1 year early if possible

I’m not convinced Langdon is contracted for next year, it was reported in one place as a three-year deal when we traded for him but not widely reported and not confirmed by the club.

Shep is also technically on the list so that’s another departure, not sure if that affects your numbers.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Out Of Contract 2022
Joshua Kennedy	Retire
Shannon Hurn	Retire
Nicholas Naitanui	+2
Luke Shuey	+1
Jack Redden	+1
Willie Rioli	+2
Jackson Nelson	De-list
Alex Witherden	+2
Patrick Naish	De-list
Bailey Williams	+1
Callum Jamieson	+1
Luke Edwards	+1
Isiah Winder	+1
Jamaine Jones	+1
Luke Strnadica	+1
Connor West	+1
Hugh Dixon	De-list
Tom Joyce	De-list
Zane Trew	De-list
On List	To Draft
35	3
3	3

Thats just OOC at the end of this year, though I would move on Foley, O'Neill & Langdon 1 year early if possible

We need to move on at least 2 of shuey , gaff and redden . With Redden my preference to stay

Kelly , yeo and sheed will be our senior mids with O'Neill Clark, West, Ledwards , hough culley and chesser all fast tracked

Maybe move on stradnica too if we pick up broadbent at the draft

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I think 8 is too far back for that move to be good for us to move 2, however I wouldn't mind picking up 6, 15, 20, 23 as 4 top end shots.
How many picks are we taking to the ND this year do you think?

How many picks? We are already 3 over the cap and I see us retiring/de-listing/losing to FA/trading somewhere from 8 to 11. So that means we can pick some 5 to 8 new players. We only have 37 on the main list meaning we can be flexible.

I would back us in for 5 from the National Draft and 3 rookies if we go for 11 off and hence net 8.

Off the main list, I see JK definite, Hurn most likely, Nelson probable. Others maybe in the firing line are Witherden, Winder, one of our developing rucks (but I doubt it) and L Edwards (I hope not). I suspect we lose 4 for net 33 on the senior list and we can go up to 38 meaning ND = 5.

Off the rookie list, a mix of Joyce, Trew, Naish, West, Dixon and Strnadica. we currently have 8 on the rookie draft Jones, Trew, West, Dixon, Strnadica, Naish, Joyce and Culley. Jones and Culley are the priority keeps with one of Trew/West/Naish. Dixon - a possible outside chance.



Interesting listening to a Hard Ball Get podcast, Fat X was saying Shuey is open to leaving the club if that is the best thing and he would consider another club for a year or so. The suggestion of Boots to Port came up. Not sure how well Ellis is connected with Boots but that was the statement. Another block of outs in the back of this season with soft tissue problems and I would seriously consider retiring Boots.

 

[Rowan18]

How many picks? We are already 3 over the cap and I see us retiring/de-listing/losing to FA/trading somewhere from 8 to 11. So that means we can pick some 5 to 8 new players. We only have 37 on the main list meaning we can be flexible.

I would back us in for 5 from the National Draft and 3 rookies if we go for 11 off and hence net 8.

Off the main list, I see JK definite, Hurn most likely, Nelson probable. Others maybe in the firing line are Witherden, Winder, one of our developing rucks (but I doubt it) and L Edwards (I hope not). I suspect we lose 4 for net 33 on the senior list and we can go up to 38 meaning ND = 5.

Off the rookie list, a mix of Joyce, Trew, Naish, West, Dixon and Strnadica. we currently have 8 on the rookie draft Jones, Trew, West, Dixon, Strnadica, Naish, Joyce and Culley. Jones and Culley are the priority keeps with one of Trew/West/Naish. Dixon - a possible outside chance.



Interesting listening to a Hard Ball Get podcast, Fat X was saying Shuey is open to leaving the club if that is the best thing and he would consider another club for a year or so. The suggestion of Boots to Port came up. Not sure how well Ellis is connected with Boots but that was the statement. Another block of outs in the back of this season with soft tissue problems and I would seriously consider retiring Boots.

I reckon Shuey is jostling for another year. Keeps suggesting he might play elsewhere, but that is doubtful, given he has a young family and his wife does some media here. Why would you move away for one season? I think he's trying to scare the club into an extension.

Provided he plays out the year, I see the club giving him and Redden another 12 months. Any more soft tissue injuries and I would prefer he bows out gracefully.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I reckon Shuey is jostling for another year. Keeps suggesting he might play elsewhere, but that is doubtful, given he has a young family and his wife does some media here. Why would you move away for one season? I think he's trying to scare the club into an extension.

Provided he plays out the year, I see the club giving him and Redden another 12 months. Any more soft tissue injuries and I would prefer he bows out gracefully.

Meh...I'm not so sure. Maybe it's the romantic in me but I believe he's genuine in his comment.
Heart and Soul player.

FWIW - HFF flank is where it's at next year for Boots.

 

[Wce17]

Is there a chance the AFL might increase lists spots back to what they used to be Pre - Covid? Didn’t they reduce them from 42 to 40? Would make list changes a little bit easier.

 

[DanWCE]

I reckon Shuey is jostling for another year. Keeps suggesting he might play elsewhere, but that is doubtful, given he has a young family and his wife does some media here. Why would you move away for one season? I think he's trying to scare the club into an extension.

Provided he plays out the year, I see the club giving him and Redden another 12 months. Any more soft tissue injuries and I would prefer he bows out gracefully.

It's a lot to pack up for 12 months. Maybe he'll get real with himself in the off season. Maybe it's about him mentally getting himself right for the rest of the year.

Genuinely think he will only move if a coaching role is tied into it.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Is there a chance the AFL might increase lists spots back to what they used to be Pre - Covid? Didn’t they reduce them from 42 to 40? Would make list changes a little bit easier.

Pre Covid it was 44 list spots with a maximum of 40 on the senior list. It then went to a maximum of 42 active players with a maximum of 38 senior spots and the rest as rookies.

 

[bzparkes]

I reckon Shuey is jostling for another year. Keeps suggesting he might play elsewhere, but that is doubtful, given he has a young family and his wife does some media here. Why would you move away for one season? I think he's trying to scare the club into an extension.

Provided he plays out the year, I see the club giving him and Redden another 12 months. Any more soft tissue injuries and I would prefer he bows out gracefully.

No I think he's just being realistic as per the questions asked. Clearly interested in coaching, so a Hodge/Mitchell/Lewis move obviously has some appeal.

 

[dinnaz]

AsterixTheGaul Wheres the Gremlins at? I was pretty sure Sheppard is off the list but still has his contract counted in the salary cap, Naish on the main list, Langdon on a 3 year deal because it seemed excessive at the time.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Gotta be honest Jackson to Fremantle doesn't quite add up.
Firstly, because I don't see how Fremantle have the currency for Melbourne to even bother with them. Their current first round pick is completely inadequate. I doubt even their first round this year and their first round next year would be satisfactory.
Secondly, because I don't think that even were Fremantle to hold the currency (i.e. our pick this year) I don't think that they would see a ruckman as something to sell the house for, based on the fact that they have a great combo of Darcy (as the starting ruck) and Lobb (as the resting ruck forward) and Meek in the reserves. Now I've no doubt that Jackson would be an upgrade on Lobb (either next year or in the coming years), however, he's not replacing Darcy (save for injuries to Darcy) for at least 5-6 years.

All this to say, whilst I would be equally happy for us to offer our first (or not get involved) I just don't think electing Fremantle makes much sense for them (even if it might be Jackson's preference). But sure, go all in for Jackson, Fremantle. Burn it all down.

 

[Rowan18]

Gotta be honest Jackson to Fremantle doesn't quite add up.
Firstly, because I don't see how Fremantle have the currency for Melbourne to even bother with them. Their current first round pick is completely inadequate. I doubt even their first round this year and their first round next year would be satisfactory.
Secondly, because I don't think that even were Fremantle to hold the currency (i.e. our pick this year) I don't think that they would see a ruckman as something to sell the house for, based on the fact that they have a great combo of Darcy (as the starting ruck) and Lobb (as the resting ruck forward) and Meek in the reserves. Now I've no doubt that Jackson would be an upgrade on Lobb (either next year or in the coming years), however, he's not replacing Darcy (save for injuries to Darcy) for at least 5-6 years.

All this to say, whilst I would be equally happy for us to offer our first (or not get involved) I just don't think electing Fremantle makes much sense for them (even if it might be Jackson's preference). But sure, go all in for Jackson, Fremantle. Burn it all down.

I suspect he will re-sign with Melbourne. All this chat about WA teams is just to drive up his salary.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I suspect he will re-sign with Melbourne. All this chat about WA teams is just to drive up his salary.

If it's that or Fremantle I don't see how a deal gets done.
Melbourne will request something like two top 10 picks or a first rounder and a player like Serong.
Fremantle will scoff, but don't have the currency to even get in the ballpark without offering legitimate talent back, which they shouldn't do.
Ergo, trade to West Coast (if we rate Jackson high enough) or re-sign at Melbourne.

 

[dkalphy]

If north get a priority pick i'm walking away from AFL...Its such a joke of a sport sometimes. Never seen this happen in the nba...

 

[Chump Change]

If north get a priority pick i'm walking away from AFL...Its such a joke of a sport sometimes. Never seen this happen in the nba...

Look on the bright side - you don't support North. Hhahaha North, peasant campaigners.