List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

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The Contracts Thread

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[WCE_phil]

Picks 1 through 10 based on current ladder

1. North (4 points)
2. West Coast (8)
3. Essendon (16)
4. Hawthorn (16)
5. Adelaide (20)
6. GWS (20)
7. Port Adelaide (28)
8. Gold Coast (28)
9. Bulldogs (32)
10. St Kilda (36)

Us and North are almost certainly locked in at 17th and 18th respectively

The sides in 13th to 16th are unlikely to move out of that band but the finishing order between those teams is fluid

I don’t see Port or Gold Coast doing anything much other than swap positions between themselves

Saints and Bulldogs would still harbour hopes of jumping into the top 8

Without a JHF as a clear no. 1 pick I could see North doing what we’ve been discussing and trade down. If they get a priority pick (end of 1st round most likely or perhaps middle of 1st round) I don’t know whether that would make them more or less inclined to trade pick 1

North are such an interesting scenario. They have so many key position holes to fill what do you do? If they get an end of first round PP they might also potentially trade next years first into this years draft for say sydney's 2 picks. They may even get more out of Sydney than that with an exchange of 2023 norths third for 2023 sydney's second etc or maybe just a straight swap.

This would allow 4 top 20 picks for them and they could literally cure all of their potential Key position problems in one draft.

 

[shooshka]

I thought he was going to be a nobody in his draft year. But his run from half back is astoundingly good. You'd have to offer up a package for Dan and Maurice Jnr though. I don't think he'd leave his uncle/cousin behind. It would cost a future first.

Maurice was terrible yesterday. Out of position, lots of fumbles, poor execution of skills.

The crowd excitement when he was chasing down players was pretty much the only involvement he had in the game for the most-part.

He's still young, but not sure he keeps his spot in their side after that game.

Daniel has surprised me though. Thought he was another average/decent small forward but his move to the HBF has certainly allowed him to utilise his skills.

 

[Spooky17]

Not for me. I think he has head issues.

From memory heart issues too.

So head and heart…?

Sounds like a song!

 

[Convocation]

Thomas' attitude has been called into question lately. Lead to him being dropped for not meeting Norf's training standards.

Let that sink in, he didn't meet Norf's low standards

I think North want to keep Thomas. They dropped him, but are investing (one of the few players) in him, so think he'd be tough to pull out. If he does want out, imagine every club recruiter will be reaching out for him.

 

[shooshka]

North are such an interesting scenario. They have so many key position holes to fill what do you do? If they get an end of first round PP they might also potentially trade next years first into this years draft for say sydney's 2 picks. They may even get more out of Sydney than that with an exchange of 2023 norths third for 2023 sydney's second etc or maybe just a straight swap.

This would allow 4 top 20 picks for them and they could literally cure all of their potential Key position problems in one draft.

For us, there are 3 best-case scenario's (and one worst case - which is Nth getting picks 1 + 2 as priority).

- Busslinger takes the champs by storm, rises into pick 1 calculations

- A key forward (or two) emerges into pick 1 calculations

- more mids push into the Ahscroft/Wardlaw bracket


If Busslinger were to become a player in the #1 pick conversation I can definitely see north taking him. Same with any key position forward. As you say, they have serious KPP issues, and they do have a decent bank of young mids.

 

[WCE_phil]

Maurice was terrible yesterday. Out of position, lots of fumbles, poor execution of skills.

The crowd excitement when he was chasing down players was pretty much the only involvement he had in the game for the most-part.

He's still young, but not sure he keeps his spot in their side after that game.

Daniel has surprised me though. Thought he was another average/decent small forward but his move to the HBF has certainly allowed him to utilise his skills.

I'm not saying Maurice stays in their side at the moment, i'm suggesting if you want to trade for Dan you'd also have to bring along Maurice as well. I doubt Dan leaves Richmond anyway but it was just my opinion on what you would need to get Dan Rioli across.

 

[WCE_phil]

For us, there are 3 best-case scenario's (and one worst case - which is Nth getting picks 1 + 2 as priority).

- Busslinger takes the champs by storm, rises into pick 1 calculations

- A key forward (or two) emerges into pick 1 calculations

- more mids push into the Ahscroft/Wardlaw bracket


If Busslinger were to become a player in the #1 pick conversation I can definitely see north taking him. Same with any key position forward. As you say, they have serious KPP issues, and they do have a decent bank of young mids.

I don't think there's a Key forward rated highly enough to get close to pick 1 now. Unless Keeler goes and puts all the pieces together and has a 5 or 6 goal day out against us in the champs on top of some around the ground work. He'd then still need to have great results between now and the draft.

I honestly think Jefferson or Cadman could kick 5-6 goals a week and still not get projected any higher than maybe 5th.

Barnett even if he continues to produce the goods isn't going higher than pick 10 as a ruck (thats extreme top end of range) and he now looks like the distinct top ruck pick.

I hadn't heard it until recently (the source is reasonably trustworthy and even if i follow up I doubt I get any further info) and won't go into details either but Lemmey being out of form may have a lot more to do with things outside of lack of development, his bad case of Covid or on field either.

If Busslinger can be dominant against SA and Vic Country then he could rise into that top draft pick conversation purely because of north's needs.

I no longer see Broadbent going to anyone before our third pick and maybe not till well after. If the dockers get Jackson i'd be in Meek's ear.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

The West Aus reporting that we are locking in Hough for another 2 years, keeping him at the club until 2025! He's been great and getting better each week.

 

[Bender_]

Assuming Chesser comes on as expected, Hough continues his trajectory and Bazzo improves then we've done pretty well out of the 2021 draft.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I don't think there's a Key forward rated highly enough to get close to pick 1 now. Unless Keeler goes and puts all the pieces together and has a 5 or 6 goal day out against us in the champs on top of some around the ground work. He'd then still need to have great results between now and the draft.

I honestly think Jefferson or Cadman could kick 5-6 goals a week and still not get projected any higher than maybe 5th.

Barnett even if he continues to produce the goods isn't going higher than pick 10 as a ruck (thats extreme top end of range) and he now looks like the distinct top ruck pick.

I hadn't heard it until recently (the source is reasonably trustworthy and even if i follow up I doubt I get any further info) and won't go into details either but Lemmey being out of form may have a lot more to do with things outside of lack of development, his bad case of Covid or on field either.

If Busslinger can be dominant against SA and Vic Country then he could rise into that top draft pick conversation purely because of north's needs.

I no longer see Broadbent going to anyone before our third pick and maybe not till well after. If the dockers get Jackson i'd be in Meek's ear.

Is the reason Lemmey has dropped off, because someone yelled out last week - heck you Lemmey?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

What was everyone's thoughts on Trew debut? As a lot of ppl had him as delist.

I thought he showed a few really nice things, had some other moments where he'd like to improve. Personally like to see him again this weekend.

 

[Chump Change]

What was everyone's thoughts on Trew debut? As a lot of ppl had him as delist.

I thought he showed a few really nice things, had some other moments where he'd like to improve. Personally like to see him again this weekend.

I liked him. I was surprised because I heard he was struggling at WAFL. We should just look at him for the rest of the season. I have Nelson, Langdon, Naish and Winder in the delist cat with JK and Hurn retiring.

 

[suntagonal]

Question: Do we want Ashcroft to nominate the Lions or do we want him to go in the open draft?

 

[Dale Doback]

Sounds like he has some credits in the bank with you

I reckon. Duggans ordinary at best. No speed, poor kick, no right foot, gets out run by his opponent doubling back on our turnovers. More than 77 points Richmond scored against us from turnovers. Dan Rioli on their half back cut us to pieces. We need half backs with that pace, not plodders like Duggan.
At 34 Hurn is still far more valuable than Duggan. We just signed Cole for 3 years and I'd pick him before Duggan.

 

[Monocle]

What was everyone's thoughts on Trew debut? As a lot of ppl had him as delist.

I thought he showed a few really nice things, had some other moments where he'd like to improve. Personally like to see him again this weekend.

For me unless injured I would like to see him remain in the side for much of what’s left of the season.
He has a skill set that we are short of and at the risk of keeping him on the list a year to long if he doesn’t work out, I would be very reluctant to cut him at seasons end.
There are others on our list that I would cut before him.

Once he masters the tempo of the game at the next level I think he will be fine and the only way he is going to be able to do that is by getting games into him.

 

[briztoon]

Nah, cannot see concessions lifted until Suns make finals for a couple of years.

Success will help player retention.

Up until then they, and GWS, will remain a part of VFL development program.

AFL has already said they will be reviewing the Suns concessions this, which needs to be completed before trade period.

Expectations are that they will lose their right to prelist academy and Darwin zone kids, and will have to match bids from next year.

They’ll also most likely have to bring their list back in line with every other club.

They’re going to lose some players, but most likely they’ll be players that they are comfortable losing, like Flanders.

 

[Monocle]

Question: Do we want Ashcroft to nominate the Lions or do we want him to go in the open draft?

No Brainer …. Nominate for the open draft.

But that’s not going to happen he will be a Lion next season.
If we had pick 2 and North pass on him I hope we bid on him and at the very least make Brisbane pay what he is worth in draft currency.
They still have his younger brother Levi to draft as well.

Got my fingers crossed for Drew Banfields three boys as good F/S options for us .

The eldest Bailey is looking promising from the info I have gleaned from Scotch College and Claremont.

 

[WCE_phil]

Is the reason Lemmey has dropped off, because someone yelled out last week - **** you Lemmey?

No it's significantly more important than that, although saying things like that to the poor kid atm wouldn't be helping.

 

[Keys]

Current list is 45 (46 if you count Shepp) which is 3 above the maximum of 42

With our picks 2,20,38 and ports 2nd (currently 25) we need to make space for an absolute minimum of 4 picks

So at least 7 players need to be moved on. Assuming no trades of contracted players, those 7 will have to come from the 18 players currently uncontracted beyond this year

Definitely safe - Rioli, Naitanui

Definitely gone (retired) - JK, Hurn

Choose your poison on at least 5 to cut from these 14 :

Ruck - Strnadica
Ruck/forward - Jamieson, Williams, Dixon
Defenders - Jones, Nelson, Witherden
Mids - Shuey, Redden, West, Trew. Naish, Joyce
Forwards - Winder

There’s every likelihood that we cut more than just 5 but those players will be replaced with (in order) pick 74, 92, RD2, RD20, RD38 so the question then becomes who’s worth persevering with ahead of a late draft/rookie pick selection

Not convinced that it’s the right thing to do but I think Shuey will likely play on, as will Redden.

Jones has been promising off half back so he should be kept imo

Strnadica, Dixon and Joyce look the most obvious delistings

Leaves 2 (or more) of Williams, Jamieson, Nelson, Witherden, Naish, Trew, West and Winder

I can make a case for and against each of them

 

[ziad]

Current list is 45 (46 if you count Shepp) which is 3 above the maximum of 42

With our picks 2,20,38 and ports 2nd (currently 25) we need to make space for an absolute minimum of 4 picks

So at least 7 players need to be moved on. Assuming no trades of contracted players, those 7 will have to come from the 18 players currently uncontracted beyond this year

Definitely safe - Rioli, Naitanui

Definitely gone (retired) - JK, Hurn

Choose your poison on at least 5 to cut from these 14 :

Ruck - Strnadica
Ruck/forward - Jamieson, Williams, Dixon
Defenders - Jones, Nelson, Witherden
Mids - Shuey, Redden, West, Trew. Naish, Joyce
Forwards - Winder

There’s every likelihood that we cut more than just 5 but those players will be replaced with (in order) pick 74, 92, RD2, RD20, RD38 so the question then becomes who’s worth persevering with ahead of a late draft/rookie pick selection

Not convinced that it’s the right thing to do but I think Shuey will likely play on, as will Redden.

Jones has been promising off half back so he should be kept imo

Strnadica, Dixon and Joyce look the most obvious delistings

Leaves 2 (or more) of Williams, Jamieson, Nelson, Witherden, Naish, Trew, West and Winder

I can make a case for and against each of them

Not sure Hurn is definite -95% perhaps

 

[Keys]

Not sure Hurn is definite -95% perhaps

If he stays, then one of Shuey or Redden needs to go instead

We need to be moving on the older players on our list without doing so all at once. At least 2 of our 30+ players should respectfully be shown the door at the end of this year

 

[Rowan18]

What was everyone's thoughts on Trew debut? As a lot of ppl had him as delist.

I thought he showed a few really nice things, had some other moments where he'd like to improve. Personally like to see him again this weekend.

He seemed OK so has probably earned a second game. However, I'd love to see O'Neill given the same chance to play that position (he did well against the Pies when he did - as opposed to being stuck on HFF) or even Clark given a go too.

 

[Chump Change]

Question: Do we want Ashcroft to nominate the Lions or do we want him to go in the open draft?

I would draft him. I've read reports he's tracking like Walsh and Daicos before him. Maybe there's another player or two who will end up better, but which one/s? He's less of a guess and I'm pretty sure he's going to be a star. Jack McCrae like. Prefer a Dusty contested beast but would take a 35 possy elite ball user.

If he didn't nominate for Lions, I'd be taking him.

 

[Obeanie1]

If JHF is as unhappy at North as he seems, they might keep Pick 1 just to make up (in marketing terms) for possibly losing him.

If JHF leaves they will get either Adelaides 1st or Ports plus extras.

And I can see them gettting a mid or end of 1st round pick as a AFL assistance pick.

North may end up with pick 1, 4 Crows, AFL compo pick 10.

Wardlaw replaces JHF 4 they take Busslinger and 10 ?

 

[Obeanie1]

I'm not saying Maurice stays in their side at the moment, i'm suggesting if you want to trade for Dan you'd also have to bring along Maurice as well. I doubt Dan leaves Richmond anyway but it was just my opinion on what you would need to get Dan Rioli across.

Dan is a RFA.

So its contract length and $.

Richmond would be roapable if Maurice asked to follow. And he's under contract.

This only happens if Richmond low ball Daniel on his contract.