List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Ambrose Burnside]

I believe a function of that is where they have drafted, as often all the quality mids and KPP’s are already off the board.

Could you repeat that for the slow kids in the back?

 

[SumaGodCoach]

I like it, particularly because cattle AI and rapid genetic improvement, has been a business on both sides of my family.

Well then you of all people would know that you need at least 2 buckets of A+ bull semen and 6 buckets of A grade bull semen before you can fully rebuild your cattle station.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

I'll do my best to explain it to you in a way that you'll understand that also doesn't result in responding with 15 posts with about how you're right:

Let's say you're a cattle farmer tending to one of your bulls, now you know the bull isn't that fantastic, but you're making do with it for the time being until you can afford the prize bull sperm you'd like to purchase in the coming months. Then another farmer from a different shire is driving past and he pulls up on the side of the road and stops you in the middle of milking your bull and says to you "hey mate, no offence, but that bull is a piece of s**t."

Now you know he's telling the truth, and that he's not trying to be mean, but it's still a disrespectful act so you tell him to * off. But really, you and one if your farm hands have discussed it before and you know that it's true.

So, perhaps its possible to be honest and disrespectful at the same time - something to consider. There's a list management board where all and sundry can go to discuss recruitment etc, and though the Eagles board is 99% of the time very welcoming, it doesn't mean opposition supporters get a free hit. And to be fair to briztoon they seem constructive the majority of the time, but I think that particular post was a bit average.

Have a terrific day.

I'm really struggling to get the image of "milking your bull" out of my head.

 

[Chump Change]

Well then you of all people would know that you need at least 2 buckets of A+ bull semen and 6 buckets of A grade bull semen before you can fully rebuild your cattle station.

Have a look at Briztoon's post....
And then Ambrose Burnside's response.....

It's just another way of saying what I was saying. You're the slow kid at the back.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but I struggle to think of another club with so few quality young players. Especially midfielders.

Maybe Adelaide and St Kilda.

We haven't had a top 10 pick in god knows how long. Can we review this next year when we have further exposure on Culley, Brady Hough, Campbell Chesser, the No. 2 pick, No. 20 pick and no. 26 pick?

Midfielders especially are the quickest to get up to speed. The fact we have a potential young gun key forward in Oscar Allen (with Darling taking the main attention) also helps.

We've never had issues finding key backs either so not too worried about that.

A lot can change in 12 months.

 

[briztoon]

Its not always about the young players though. The reason we've often rebounded quickly is because we've always had a group of older quality players still at the club. The clubs that have taken forever to rebuild have usually started from a lower base and had to rely heavily on the draft.

Sorry bolding my last paragraph, in case people don’t want to read me waffling on.

This has been discussed this on here already.

My comments on this point, was that I believed your list was pretty shallow here as well.

Which is why I questioned the idea of a fast rebound.

However, it doesn’t take much to fast track a rebuild if you can trade in a couple of quality players in the right age group.

I try to resist comparing to Brisbane, but I want to highlight something where about to face.

We hit the draft hard in 2016 and 2017 under new leadership, then started trading in quality players in 2018 to fast track our rebuild.

It made us more competitive much earlier than anyone expected. But I said at the time, it will come at a future cost.

We didn’t get to draft enough quality kids to carry us beyond the life span of our senior players and the players we traded in.

I believe we (Brisbane) are about to have a dip and go through a mini rebuild. I won’t be surprised if we flirt with dropping out of the 8 in the next two or three seasons.

We’re just lucky that we potentially have some quality father son and academy kids coming through at the same time as we potentially drop down the ladder a bit.

But it’s still going to take 3 or 4 years after we draft those kids, before they’ve got enough games under their belts, for us to be competitive.

And that comes back to a point I’ve tried making here, a rebuild doesn’t just consist of drafting kids over a 2 or 3 year period, but also includes getting 50 to 100 games in to them, before they’re properly competitive and experienced enough.

 

[Bender_]

I'm really struggling to get the image of "milking your bull" out of my head.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Fair point on Geelong. Forgot about them.

I really rated Richmond’s draft crop last year. Basically did half a rebuild in one draft. If they get a key forward with their first pick this year, they’re one more draft and a quality young mid away from fast tracking the drafting part of their rebuild.

I agree with your post. And who knows what happens in the future in regards to trades, I just find it hard to believe you’ll be jumping back in to the 8 so quick.

Yeah agree, Tigers did remarkably well in the draft last year. Sonsie was the one I couldn't tell if he was the dominant junior who everyone had caught up to or just got hampered by injuries. His last 3 games, looks like they got a Cotch replacement and a steal.

Key forward and another mid this year and they've built a nice young core.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Sorry bolding my last paragraph, in case people don’t want to read me waffling on.

This has been discussed this on here already.

My comments on this point, was that I believed your list was pretty shallow here as well.

Which is why I questioned the idea of a fast rebound.

However, it doesn’t take much to fast track a rebuild if you can trade in a couple of quality players in the right age group.

I try to resist comparing to Brisbane, but I want to highlight something where about to face.

We hit the draft hard in 2016 and 2017 under new leadership, then started trading in quality players in 2018 to fast track our rebuild.

It made us more competitive much earlier than anyone expected. But I said at the time, it will come at a future cost.

We didn’t get to draft enough quality kids to carry us beyond the life span of our senior players and the players we traded in.

I believe we (Brisbane) are about to have a dip and go through a mini rebuild. I won’t be surprised if we flirt with dropping out of the 8 in the next two or three seasons.

We’re just lucky that we potentially have some quality father son and academy kids coming through at the same time as we potentially drop down the ladder a bit.

But it’s still going to take 3 or 4 years after we draft those kids, before they’ve got enough games under their belts, for us to be competitive.

And that comes back to a point I’ve tried making here, a rebuild doesn’t just consist of drafting kids over a 2 or 3 year period, but also includes getting 50 to 100 games in to them, before they’re properly competitive and experienced enough.

It's all a bit of a moot point. We don't have the luxury of having multiple years at the bottom to load up on gun high draft picks.

Thanks to being in Perth (and the home wins that provides), and having a consistently good organization in place (unlike Freo of yesteryear who kept shooting themselves in the foot) we have a higher natural floor than most.

We've had an unprecedented year this year in terms of COVID/Injuries, and we're going to come second last. Next year if health is reasonable we'll end up at a minimum pushing just outside the 8, with players like Nic Nat, Shuey, Yeo, Sheed, Kelly, Allen, Darling. Ryan, Rioli, McGovern, Barrass ensuring we don't fall to the bottom four again.

As a result the idea that we'll have 2 or 3 years of high draft picks is sadly not going to happen unless the club completely implodes.

 

[briztoon]

TBH I think our list is in much worse shape than it was in 2002 or 2010. I'm expecting a longer dip and while we have what looks to be a decent young spine by relative terms to other lists our KPP are all on the short side except for Williams and Edwards and both may not be quick enough to make it at AFL level.

We'll see but I expect our lowest point at the end of 2025 and to then start the climb from there. Will be a tough few years and lets just hope we absolutely nail our high end picks so we can contend again after that 2025 period otherwise it will be a double rebuild as if not good enough we'll have a secondary rebuilt when those senior players aren't up to scratch in 2028-2029.

Pretty much inline with my view from the outside.

 

[briztoon]

We haven't had a top 10 pick in god knows how long. Can we review this next year when we have further exposure on Culley, Brady Hough, Campbell Chesser, the No. 2 pick, No. 20 pick and no. 26 pick?

Midfielders especially are the quickest to get up to speed. The fact we have a potential young gun key forward in Oscar Allen (with Darling taking the main attention) also helps.

We've never had issues finding key backs either so not too worried about that.

A lot can change in 12 months.

I believe you’re missing the point.

Everyone here knows you haven’t had access to top picks for a decade, and that the Tim Kelly trade also impacted your draft hand and ability to add quality kids.

None of that is a criticism of the Eagles.

It’s just the reality of where your list is currently at.

Yes, a lot can change in 12 months. But it doesn’t change the fact of where you sit, right now, in terms of quality youth on your list.

So say, right now, you sit at 18th on the list of quality youth.

Depending on what other clubs do in the trade period, you might jump from 18th to 16th on the list after this years draft.

There’s more to a rebuild than just adding quality youth. So you could turn things around fast. We won’t know for a couple years.

 

[Cuzz09]

U never know. All our picks from last year and the next could have first years out of the box instead of the first year from hell like this year and we become a bit of a surprise packet in 2023.

Dreaming I know but no one knows

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[briztoon]

It's all a bit of a moot point. We don't have the luxury of having multiple years at the bottom to load up on gun high draft picks.

Thanks to being in Perth (and the home wins that provides), and having a consistently good organization in place (unlike Freo of yesteryear who kept shooting themselves in the foot) we have a higher natural floor than most.

We've had an unprecedented year this year in terms of COVID/Injuries, and we're going to come second last. Next year if health is reasonable we'll end up at a minimum pushing just outside the 8, with players like Nic Nat, Shuey, Yeo, Sheed, Kelly, Allen, Darling. Ryan, Rioli, McGovern, Barrass ensuring we don't fall to the bottom four again.

As a result the idea that we'll have 2 or 3 years of high draft picks is sadly not going to happen unless the club completely implodes.

Just on the bolded.

From reading here, I get the impression that doesn’t currently exist at your club, at least in the list management and recruiting department.

 

[JackOutback]

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but I struggle to think of another club with so few quality young players. Especially midfielders.

Maybe Adelaide and St Kilda.

We've just come out of a long period near the top, we won't be flush with top end young talent, but the club rarely stays down for long, usually due to some canny drafting and trading. The spine looks solid, with Oscar Allen, Tom Barrass and Harry Edwards, with Darling still to play a few more years. Hough and Culley already look the goods, Bazzo looks ok too, and Chesser is yet to debut. We have a solid draft hand this year that if we use effectively, followed by some canny trades the year after, means we could bounce back quicker than some predict.

 

[JackOutback]

If Nick Riewoldt’s right, now is the perfect time for a rebuild because there’ll be a Tasmanian team gobbling up draft picks in a few more years.

Reckon we can pull a Hawthorn?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Just on the bolded.

From reading here, I get the impression that doesn’t currently exist at your club, at least in the list management and recruiting department.

People complain but it's just not reality.

The history of the club shows that. We've played in GF's in 91, 92, 94, 05, 06, 15, 18, don't think any other club can match that over time. Sure we have our ups and downs and things that could have been done better (Kelly trade, injury management), but we've consistently spun quality from shit compared to the majority of the competition.

Yes, I know past performance is not an indicator of future performance, but there's a reason the wealthy clubs always float to the top, they have the resources in both facilities and people, and when it comes to wealthy clubs we are as wealthy as they come.

 

[EaglesVille]

What do you get If you're milking a bull?

 

[Spange]

Just on the bolded.

From reading here, I get the impression that doesn’t currently exist at your club, at least in the list management and recruiting department.

I think it can be a bit of some board members perception vs reality. We don’t alway see what goes on behind closed doors but there have been a few posts from Trev amongst other things that have riled supporters up.

FYI Briztoon I think your posts have been great value add to our board.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

2022 NAB AFL National Development Championships U16 Boys All-Australian Team

The AFL has today announced the 2022 NAB AFL National Development Championships U16 Boys All-Australian Team.

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Too early to start thinking about the 2024 draft?

 

[bh90210fan]

Reckon we can pull a Hawthorn?

Aim higher

 

[Feeling Groovy]

What do you get If you're milking a bull?

Arrested...

 

[Nedland]

What do you get If you're milking a bull?

 

[Hook461123]

I can see a bounce back next year if we can get our senior players healthy before another fall. I know we often bounce back fairly quickly but unless we get a few bonus father sons / academy players I think it might take a while if we are relying purely on the draft.

I see us getting a couple of good draft picks this year and competing while Nic Nat, Shuey, Hurn, Darling, Gov, Kelly and Yeo are still around but still not being good enough to challange the top 8. Then when all those guys retire over the next couple of years there will be a gap while the next crop of kids develop and we get some more high picks to complement them.

I don't see our middle bracket of players, the 23-28yr olds being good enough to support the draft picks we get now to make a challange.

Its the rebuild that had to happen. Atleast by sucking this bad it will happen harder and faster then if we hung around the top 8 for the next couple of years as was expected.

Now we just have to nail our drafts....

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I can see a bounce back next year if we can get our senior players healthy before another fall. I know we often bounce back fairly quickly but unless we get a few bonus father sons / academy players I think it might take a while if we are relying purely on the draft.

I see us getting a couple of good draft picks this year and competing while Nic Nat, Shuey, Hurn, Darling, Gov, Kelly and Yeo are still around but still not being good enough to challange the top 8. Then when all those guys retire over the next couple of years there will be a gap while the next crop of kids develop and we get some more high picks to complement them.

I don't see our middle bracket of players, the 23-28yr olds being good enough to support the draft picks we get now to make a challange.

Its the rebuild that had to happen. Atleast by sucking this bad it will happen harder and faster then if we hung around the top 8 for the next couple of years as was expected.

Now we just have to nail our drafts....

Current players 23 - 28.

Tim Kelly
Dom Sheed
Rioli
Barass
Liam Ryan
Duggan
Tom Cole
Oscar Allen
Jack Petrucelle

That's the foundation for a solid backline and forward line. Just need star talent in the midfield. Not exactly a secret.

 

[Hook461123]

Current players 23 - 28.

Tim Kelly
Dom Sheed
Rioli
Barass
Liam Ryan
Duggan
Tom Cole
Oscar Allen
Jack Petrucelle

That's the foundation for a solid backline and forward line. Just need star talent in the midfield. Not exactly a secret.

Kelly already 28, Rioli turning 28
Barass, Liam Ryan, Oscar Allen (could be) are great players.
Cole, Duggan, Sheed can be role players
Petrucelle not sold on yet.
Personally I think thats pretty bare.

Others in that bracket - Langdon, Jones, Clark, Dixon, Naish, Nelson, SPS, Rotham, Waterman, West, Witherden. All below average
Then just Below them. Bailey Williams 22, Jameson 22, Foley 22, jones 23, O'Neil 22, H Edwards 22, Not a lot of talent their either