List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[briztoon]

2022 NAB AFL National Development Championships U16 Boys All-Australian Team

The AFL has today announced the 2022 NAB AFL National Development Championships U16 Boys All-Australian Team.

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Too early to start thinking about the 2024 draft?

Why not, some Lions fans are. We see our U16 academy group as pretty strong, especially for KPP’s. To add to Levi Ashcroft.

QLD also finished second in the National U15 carnival that wrapped up last weekend, with 4 Lions academy kids named in the U15 AA squad (Gold Coast had 2), including player of the tournament who is only 14.

 

[Obeanie1]

Sorry bolding my last paragraph, in case people don’t want to read me waffling on.

This has been discussed this on here already.

My comments on this point, was that I believed your list was pretty shallow here as well.

Which is why I questioned the idea of a fast rebound.

However, it doesn’t take much to fast track a rebuild if you can trade in a couple of quality players in the right age group.

I try to resist comparing to Brisbane, but I want to highlight something where about to face.

We hit the draft hard in 2016 and 2017 under new leadership, then started trading in quality players in 2018 to fast track our rebuild.

It made us more competitive much earlier than anyone expected. But I said at the time, it will come at a future cost.

We didn’t get to draft enough quality kids to carry us beyond the life span of our senior players and the players we traded in.

I believe we (Brisbane) are about to have a dip and go through a mini rebuild. I won’t be surprised if we flirt with dropping out of the 8 in the next two or three seasons.

We’re just lucky that we potentially have some quality father son and academy kids coming through at the same time as we potentially drop down the ladder a bit.

But it’s still going to take 3 or 4 years after we draft those kids, before they’ve got enough games under their belts, for us to be competitive.

And that comes back to a point I’ve tried making here, a rebuild doesn’t just consist of drafting kids over a 2 or 3 year period, but also includes getting 50 to 100 games in to them, before they’re properly competitive and experienced enough.

Are Collingwood competitive now?

They used the draft and traded in.

Yes they will lose more experience next year and guess what. They will draft and trade in again. Something they hold a natural advantage.

And rhen it comes back to this term. Being competitive. What is that exactly?

Mine is within three drafts and trade periods you build and start making finals from the bottom of the 8. You start playing, losing and then winning finals. The squad builds finals experience. Then you need to finish top 2, win that 1st final, get a break and hit a prelim fresh.

Al that can take 2 to 3 draft and trade periods from now for the Eagles. And along the way you become competitive and you fail before you succeed.

That is the natural course of the AFL football cycle. Teams go up for a while then go down. Some faster than others. Some do it better than others. To date the Eagles do it better than most.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

We've just come out of a long period near the top, we won't be flush with top end young talent, but the club rarely stays down for long, usually due to some canny drafting and trading. The spine looks solid, with Oscar Allen, Tom Barrass and Harry Edwards, with Darling still to play a few more years. Hough and Culley already look the goods, Bazzo looks ok too, and Chesser is yet to debut. We have a solid draft hand this year that if we use effectively, followed by some canny trades the year after, means we could bounce back quicker than some predict.

I think Bazzo has looked really good.

 

[Obeanie1]

Kelly already 28, Rioli turning 28
Barass, Liam Ryan, Oscar Allen (could be) are great players.
Cole, Duggan, Sheed can be role players
Petrucelle not sold on yet.
Personally I think thats pretty bare.

Others in that bracket - Langdon, Jones, Clark, Dixon, Naish, Nelson, SPS, Rotham, Waterman, West, Witherden. All below average
Then just Below them. Bailey Williams 22, Jameson 22, Foley 22, jones 23, O'Neil 22, H Edwards 22, Not a lot of talent their either

As an excercise go and list the core group driving Freo's current success.

How many are there.

 

[Hook461123]

As an excercise go and list the core group driving Freo's current success.

How many are there.

Ok

Acres 26, Aish 26, Brodie, 24, Cox, 24, Darcy 24, Logue 24, Ryan 26, Schultz 25, Switkowski 26, Pearce 27, tucker 25, Banfield 24, Meek 24
then Brayshaw 22, Clark, 22, Chapman 21, Serong 21, Young 21, Frederick 22

Missing forwards but a lot more talent in that age group then ours.

I'd argue that our senior players are much better then theirs but not in that mid range age bracket

 

[FKASC]

Ok

Acres 26, Aish 26, Brodie, 24, Cox, 24, Darcy 24, Logue 24, Ryan 26, Schultz 25, Switkowski 26, Pearce 27, tucker 25, Banfield 24, Meek 24
then Brayshaw 22, Clark, 22, Chapman 21, Serong 21, Young 21, Frederick 22

Missing forwards but a lot more talent in that age group then ours.

I'd argue that our senior players are much better then theirs but not in that mid range age bracket

Yeah let’s not kid ourselves that we don’t have a hell of a lot of work to do to rebuild the side.

 

[mattyc75]

I think Bazzo has looked really good.

And HEdwards has regressed, i hooe he can come good

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[Obeanie1]

Ok

Acres 26, Aish 26, Brodie, 24, Cox, 24, Darcy 24, Logue 24, Ryan 26, Schultz 25, Switkowski 26, Pearce 27, tucker 25, Banfield 24, Meek 24
then Brayshaw 22, Clark, 22, Chapman 21, Serong 21, Young 21, Frederick 22

Missing forwards but a lot more talent in that age group then ours.

I'd argue that our senior players are much better then theirs but not in that mid range age bracket

Ok but who are the real A graders. The keys to their current success.

Not the B grade role players. Those can be found with cheap trades or later picks.

I would suggest.

Brayshaw
Darcy
Serong
Pearce

Then?
Ryan?
Lobb?
Shultz?
Young?
Logue?
Clark?

You see Im starting to reach here.

Fyfe hasnt been playing so I left him out. Mundy and Walters at the end of their careers.

The rest are solid B+ players or kids yet to really make an impact.

My point is you dont need 10 AA A graders to become competitive. You need a good game plan, a handful of stars and then commitment and buy in from the group.

 

[Chump Change]

Ok but who are the real A graders. The keys to their current success.

Not the B grade role players. Those can be found with cheap trades or later picks.

I would suggest.

Brayshaw
Darcy
Serong
Pearce

Then?
Ryan?
Lobb?
Shultz?
Young?
Logue?
Clark?

You see Im starting to reach here.

Fyfe hasnt been playing so I left him out. Mundy and Walters at the end of their careers.

The rest are solid B+ players or kids yet to really make an impact.

My point is you dont need 10 AA A graders to become competitive. You need a good game plan, a handful of stars and then commitment and buy in from the group.

Sounds like what I've been saying.......

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Team that's been shit since 2016 has a better list than a team that's been shit since 2022.

More at 6.

 

[darksquare]

One of my PE teachers was Dwayne Lambs brother. Never got his brother to visit us though.

At JTC? Maybe I taught you too

 

[Hook461123]

Ye

Ok but who are the real A graders. The keys to their current success.

Not the B grade role players. Those can be found with cheap trades or later picks.

I would suggest.

Brayshaw
Darcy
Serong
Pearce

Then?
Ryan?
Lobb?
Shultz?
Young?
Logue?
Clark?

You see Im starting to reach here.

Fyfe hasnt been playing so I left him out. Mundy and Walters at the end of their careers.

The rest are solid B+ players or kids yet to really make an impact.

My point is you dont need 10 AA A graders to become competitive. You need a good game plan, a handful of stars and then commitment and buy in from the group.

I think you are underestimating the ease to obtain a list of B+ players coming through together.
Assuming Allen, Rioli, Ryan and Barass our A graders, who are our B+ players Sheed, Duggan, Cole(?) and who else?

I listed 19 dockers in that bracket. Of which at least 15 or 16 are best 22 in a finals side fighting for a top 4 spot.
I don't think you can honestly compare the two lists at this point in time.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I think Bazzo has looked really good.

Awwwwwweeee ECE has a crush...Too cute!!!

We all have our types I suppose

 

[Chump Change]

Ye


I think you are underestimating the ease to obtain a list of B+ players coming through together.
Assuming Allen, Rioli, Ryan and Barass our A graders, who are our B+ players Sheed, Duggan, Cole(?) and who else?

I listed 19 dockers in that bracket. Of which at least 15 or 16 are best 22 in a finals side fighting for a top 4 spot.
I don't think you can honestly compare the two lists at this point in time.

If you have a good coach and core group of guns they start coming out of the woodwork.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Kelly already 28, Rioli turning 28
Barass, Liam Ryan, Oscar Allen (could be) are great players.
Cole, Duggan, Sheed can be role players
Petrucelle not sold on yet.
Personally I think thats pretty bare.

Others in that bracket - Langdon, Jones, Clark, Dixon, Naish, Nelson, SPS, Rotham, Waterman, West, Witherden. All below average
Then just Below them. Bailey Williams 22, Jameson 22, Foley 22, jones 23, O'Neil 22, H Edwards 22, Not a lot of talent their either

You set the 23/28 parameter not me.

No doubt here’s a bit of dross there, but it’s not like we are completely barren in that region. There were 9 names listed. We need to add some young talent to boost that group. Hopefully Culley and pick 2 especially can be the AA level stars we need to push us over the top, but we have a foundation.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

At JTC? Maybe I taught you too

Nope. this was early 90's.

 

[darksquare]

I think Bazzo has looked really good.

By any reasonable standards, he was not ready for AFL football when he played his first game. But he's got excellent football instincts and a competitive edge, and I'm absolutely confident he's going to make it. Starting next year, he's half a season ahead of where he might have been. 200 games incoming...

 

[Happy Mastenator]

AFL Draft Power Rankings: Son-of-a-gun back on top of the class

ESPN.com.au's draft expert Chris Doerre has revealed his AFL Draft Power Rankings for the month of August, with Will Ashcroft once again topping the class after his head-turning efforts in the NAB League.

www.espn.com.au

If we can land:
Pick 2 - Phillipou - gun big balanced mid who can play forward (has X factor); and
Pick 20 - Adam D'Aloia - sounds like gun inside mid (solid consistent player)

Think would be pretty happy. They should complement each other nicely.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

AFL Draft Power Rankings: Son-of-a-gun back on top of the class

ESPN.com.au's draft expert Chris Doerre has revealed his AFL Draft Power Rankings for the month of August, with Will Ashcroft once again topping the class after his head-turning efforts in the NAB League.

www.espn.com.au

If we can land:
Pick 2 - Phillipou - gun big balanced mid who can play forward (has X factor); and
Pick 20 - Adam D'Aloia - sounds like gun inside mid (solid consistent player)

Think would be pretty happy. They should complement each other nicely.

Unless Pie Man goes full Pie Man and we grab a U16 half back flanker who averages 10 touches a game but has MiDfIeLd PoTeNtIaL despite going backwards in his U18 year (which to be fair I really don't think we'll do with ... with our first rounder anyway), I think we'll all be reasonably happy with our first pick (there will still be melts and I look forward to bumping them years later ala the JK threads this week), so the thing I'm mostly interested in this offseason is when we sack our entire medical and strength and conditioning team, and who we replace them with.

Nek minnut Jack's Dr Ovaries is hired

 

[Obeanie1]

Ye


I think you are underestimating the ease to obtain a list of B+ players coming through together.
Assuming Allen, Rioli, Ryan and Barass our A graders, who are our B+ players Sheed, Duggan, Cole(?) and who else?

I listed 19 dockers in that bracket. Of which at least 15 or 16 are best 22 in a finals side fighting for a top 4 spot.
I don't think you can honestly compare the two lists at this point in time.

Its about comparing what it takes to get to that level.

No doubt we arent at the same level now. So how many draft and trade periods will it take to get there.

That is the real issue.

People think we are at ground zero. I dont agree. Things can turn quickly. Just look at Collingwood

Getting the likes of Allen, Yeo, Sheed and Cole fit and playing is a part of that. So is drafting well. And trading well.

Thepast couple of years that hasnt happend.

 

[paran]

I reckon you just harden up.

Probably gets plenty of that from the bull...

 

[paran]

Well then you of all people would know that you need at least 2 buckets of A+ bull semen and 6 buckets of A grade bull semen before you can fully rebuild your cattle station.

Well that's a fair bit of sprognostication going on right there...

 

[Chump Change]

Probably gets plenty of that from the bull...

The bull does like a reacharound.

 

[paran]

The bull does like a reacharound.

Honestly, the bull's probably a bit shy. That other farmer's just undone all his hard work...

 

[frenchconnection]

I

One thing to remember is we haven't lost all of our senior players. Our ability to keep them on the park is s**t, but we have the following who should be around for a few more seasons:

Defence:
Gov
Barrass
Cole
Duggan
Jones

Mids
Kelly
Yeo (his body may force him to HB)
Sheed
Gaff

Forwards
Rioli
Ryan
Darling
Allen

That is a reasonable core If they are ever fit and in form at the same time. The young guys can slot in and fill the rest of the roles. We would need a mature Ruck as Nic Nat could go at any moment (given age and injury history) and the midfield is lacking top end talent and depth (so we'd need some young guys to come on in a hurry or a trade to break out). KPP are solid other than the ruck and they are much harder to trade for or develop (compared to mids/flankers).

We've done this before though - that's how we rebounded so quickly in 2002 and 2010.

You make a good point about Richmond, nail one draft and we might be on our way.

wouldn’t have Jones in that group of senior players as imo he’s still finding his way albeit doing quite a good job at it since being moved to the HBF.