List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[mattyc75]

Every chance North reach for Busslinger as they really need a developing key defender.

If i was north I'd take sheezel first and pick schlensog very late in the draft or hayes with their second

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[Imnotdeadyet]

So 2 key things happening today.

1. Ashcroft to the Lions means their first round pick is up for grabs. I had previously assumed that the Suns would want it given they have 3 R2 picks and 2 R3 picks. Maybe not given what they will get with Rankin.

2. Rankin is being heavily linked to Adelaide. Not a done deal but when a delay in signing continues and the favoured club to take him is being "strongly" linked, then it makes me think it will happen.

How does all of that effect us?

1. Lions will pick up a player before we do. Our current pick 2 will now be pick 3 (if Norf don't bid on Ashcroft then we do). The difference in Sheezel, Phillipou and Wardlaw is minimal to me as we can pair up what we do at 20 and get the balance right then. No real impact.

2. Rankin off to Crows - let us assume that the Crows first pick will be part of the deal which sits at 4 and Suns would want at least that. If I was the Crows list manager, I know he Suns want to bank points for their academy prospects in 2023 hence it makes no sense in their list management to have 3 first rounders in 2022. I also know that for the Crows giving up pick 4 leaves them with picks 22, 76 and 94 this year. It also does not make sense with the Crows list build. I would rather get something this year to add to the list and think that pick 4 or 5 is probably light on. Some pretty good SA prospects at the second round this year. I would look to offer pick 4 and next year's first round pick (assume this is say 6 but could be lower) and get Rankin plus picks 26 and 34 (the Suns and Pies R2). That would value Rankin at about pick 3 which is where he was taken in a strong draft year. A win for Suns in that they get decent value for Rankin and bank around 1,700 points for next year. A win for Crows in that they get their man plus get 2 picks in a year that fits better with their list build and does not kill off their draft this year. Crows left with 22, 26 and 34 this year.
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3. Suns post Rankin would sit with picks 4, 8, 31, 44, 52, 67 and 70. Excluding 4 and 8, they have 1,322 points to trade for the Lions R1 which is worth 1,161 with pick 14. Good value but not brilliant. Lions will be searching for more. We could always add in pick 38. More to come.

Suns could go best available at 2 and Holland at 8. I think the Suns will be nervous that Holland will be gone prior to 14. Add to the banking of future draft capital, I think they would be happy.

Brisbane will be happy getting their premium.
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Would we then get involved and move back from pick 2 to pick 4? We also give up 38 and get 44 in return.
What would it mean for us to move back to pick 4? We effectively slide form 2 to 4 and slide from 38 to 44 BUT we pick up 14 and lose a future 4th rounder (assume it is 57).A future 4th is roughly 200 more points that Suns get to bank for next year.
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The top prospects I see at both 2 and 4 (excluding Ashcroft) are Sheezel, Wadlaw, Phillipou, and Tsatas. So I believe one of these will still be there at 4 and there is not a lot of distance in the value of these 4.

So the question is would I want:

Option A - 2, 20, 25, 38 and 72​

OR​

Option B - 4, 14, 20, 25 and 44?​

I think B. Why?
At 4, we get one of Sheezel, Wadlaw, Phillipou, and Tsatas.
At 14 - the likes of Hewett, Hustwaite, Mackenzie, Hayes (if we want to go tall and assuming Busslinger is off) or Szybkowski and get to balance with who we get at 4.
At 20 - the likes of Hotton, Ryan, Gibney, D'Aloia
At 25 - Barnett
At 44/52 - best available like Jones or Allen

4 picks inside 30 is a great start to the second year of a rebuild.

Lots of work there ATG.
Afraid I need 2 glasses of good red and some quiet time to absorb all that.
Either that or a glazed eyes or Homer emoji.

 

[eaglespremiers]

If i was north I'd take sheezel first and pick schlensog very late in the draft or hayes with their second

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Sheezel makes some sense for them.
I can't see them taking Phillipou or Wardlaw given the decent players they already have developing in similar midfield roles.

 

[MrWoollie]

So how it should work, using common sense, best players and needs...

North bid on Ashcroft, knowing Brisbane will match. It makes sense, but they didn't bid on Daicos last year. SO every chance stupidity reigns supreme.
Brisbane match (or rub hands with glee).
North go with best/needs which should be Sheezel or Buslinger.
We go Wardlaw or Philipou.

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

Just watched the allies vs SA game, and i don’t think there’s many draftees you can be certain of to be a gun but i think he is one of them.


Dalziel esque

 

[Doashuey]

I think jacks been one of our best players for the second half of the season. Showed his mental toughness sticking to his guns despite a whole state being on his back
Came back slowly but is finishing off the season very strongly

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I agree. The mental toughness wasn't referring to JD but rather the lions biggest issue. A single player won't fix that.

 

[Goroyals22]

I agree. The mental toughness wasn't referring to JD but rather the lions biggest issue. A single player won't fix that.

No, one player wouldn’t… although theres a pretty handy player to ad to ashcroft who looks like going there next year



Now the swans wont get a first rounder for franklin but I wonder if one of our second rounders could be exchanged for the lions 1st rounder so we get up the order a bit.

 

[Ishmael_]

No, one player wouldn’t… although theres a pretty handy player to ad to ashcroft who looks like going there next year



Now the swans wont get a first rounder for franklin but I wonder if one of our second rounders could be exchanged for the lions 1st rounder so we get up the order a bit.

Pretty sure he can just leave and Sydney get nothing.

Out of contract and an unrestricted free agent.

 

[Lazzas]

I reckon if Clarke goes to North he will try to shop the first pick for someone he likes and a slightly lower pick. He loved trading. That could change things.

So how it should work, using common sense, best players and needs...

North bid on Ashcroft, knowing Brisbane will match. It makes sense, but they didn't bid on Daicos last year. SO every chance stupidity reigns supreme.
Brisbane match (or rub hands with glee).
North go with best/needs which should be Sheezel or Buslinger.
We go Wardlaw or Philipou.

I reckon if Clarke goes to North he will try to shop the first pick for someone he likes and a slightly lower pick. He loved trading. That could change things.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

We’ve got 5 KPP’s in our academy for the next two drafts, 2023 and 2024. Plus another in 2025.

Long way to go for those kids, but we’re hopeful.

And if they fall in the top 40 you still get them ?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Do we bid for Ashcroft if Norf don't?

Not if they trade us Devon Robertson for a packet of chips

 

[WCE_phil]

And if they fall in the top 40 you still get them ?

The northern states do, it's the big ****ing rort.

 

[briztoon]

No, one player wouldn’t… although theres a pretty handy player to ad to ashcroft who looks like going there next year



Now the swans wont get a first rounder for franklin but I wonder if one of our second rounders could be exchanged for the lions 1st rounder so we get up the order a bit.

You want to exchange 1 of your second rounders for our first round pick. Riiigggghhhhttttt.

 

[briztoon]

And if they fall in the top 40 you still get them ?

Under current rules, yes.

 

[briztoon]

Unless you hold the first pick of the draft, we’re not making any favourable deals with you, because if North bid on Ashcroft, you’ve got nothing to offer us.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Unless you hold the first pick of the draft, we’re not making any favourable deals with you, because if North bid on Ashcroft, you’ve got nothing to offer us.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

So 2 key things happening today.

1. Ashcroft to the Lions means their first round pick is up for grabs. I had previously assumed that the Suns would want it given they have 3 R2 picks and 2 R3 picks. Maybe not given what they will get with Rankin.

2. Rankin is being heavily linked to Adelaide. Not a done deal but when a delay in signing continues and the favoured club to take him is being "strongly" linked, then it makes me think it will happen.

How does all of that effect us?

1. Lions will pick up a player before we do. Our current pick 2 will now be pick 3 (if Norf don't bid on Ashcroft then we do). The difference in Sheezel, Phillipou and Wardlaw is minimal to me as we can pair up what we do at 20 and get the balance right then. No real impact.

2. Rankin off to Crows - let us assume that the Crows first pick will be part of the deal which sits at 4 and Suns would want at least that. If I was the Crows list manager, I know he Suns want to bank points for their academy prospects in 2023 hence it makes no sense in their list management to have 3 first rounders in 2022. I also know that for the Crows giving up pick 4 leaves them with picks 22, 76 and 94 this year. It also does not make sense with the Crows list build. I would rather get something this year to add to the list and think that pick 4 or 5 is probably light on. Some pretty good SA prospects at the second round this year. I would look to offer pick 4 and next year's first round pick (assume this is say 6 but could be lower) and get Rankin plus picks 26 and 34 (the Suns and Pies R2). That would value Rankin at about pick 3 which is where he was taken in a strong draft year. A win for Suns in that they get decent value for Rankin and bank around 1,700 points for next year. A win for Crows in that they get their man plus get 2 picks in a year that fits better with their list build and does not kill off their draft this year. Crows left with 22, 26 and 34 this year.
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3. Suns post Rankin would sit with picks 4, 8, 31, 44, 52, 67 and 70. Excluding 4 and 8, they have 1,322 points to trade for the Lions R1 which is worth 1,161 with pick 14. Good value but not brilliant. Lions will be searching for more. We could always add in pick 38. More to come.

Suns could go best available at 2 and Holland at 8. I think the Suns will be nervous that Holland will be gone prior to 14. Add to the banking of future draft capital, I think they would be happy.

Brisbane will be happy getting their premium.
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Would we then get involved and move back from pick 2 to pick 4? We also give up 38 and get 44 in return.
What would it mean for us to move back to pick 4? We effectively slide form 2 to 4 and slide from 38 to 44 BUT we pick up 14 and lose a future 4th rounder (assume it is 57).A future 4th is roughly 200 more points that Suns get to bank for next year.
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The top prospects I see at both 2 and 4 (excluding Ashcroft) are Sheezel, Wadlaw, Phillipou, and Tsatas. So I believe one of these will still be there at 4 and there is not a lot of distance in the value of these 4.

So the question is would I want:

Option A - 2, 20, 25, 38 and 72​

OR​

Option B - 4, 14, 20, 25 and 44?​

I think B. Why?
At 4, we get one of Sheezel, Wadlaw, Phillipou, and Tsatas.
At 14 - the likes of Hewett, Hustwaite, Mackenzie, Hayes (if we want to go tall and assuming Busslinger is off) or Szybkowski and get to balance with who we get at 4.
At 20 - the likes of Hotton, Ryan, Gibney, D'Aloia
At 25 - Barnett
At 44/52 - best available like Jones or Allen

4 picks inside 30 is a great start to the second year of a rebuild.

Love this, I don’t have a strong preference between wardlaw, sheezel and phillipou so to get one of them and be able to likely take hewett or perhaps the big szybkowski at 14 is a big win for me. With those picks in the 20s could be a huge draft to set us up for the future. I like a the balance of phillipou, hewett and one of ginbey, Ryan or d’alolia before securing taller players later.

 

[DanWCE]

If we win the spoon, what's the value of points Brisbane save by us not nominating Ashcroft with #1 (assuming North nominate at #2)? And then what's the equivalent pick value of that saving?

 

[WCE_phil]

If we win the spoon, what's the value of points Brisbane save by us not nominating Ashcroft with #1 (assuming North nominate at #2)? And then what's the equivalent pick value of that saving?

About 360 points from memory, we can also offer a guarantee not to bid on Fletcher as well.

 

[Rowan18]

Richmond have been very effective at trading out soldiers that may be over rated by other clubs. The likes of Ellis, Markov, Coleman-Jones, Higgins (though probably more than a soldier) and Choi (more a case of the KPF's were blocking him) mean that they have had great draft picks in return. We tend to be more protective as an interstate club and focus on a culture of retention.

Example. When were were at our best, our defence was ranked very high and we could possibly have got higher currency for Duggan, Cole, Nelson, HEdwards, Rotham, etc. Likewise when both Carlton and Doggies were sniffing about Petruccelle.

That is just our lot so no point moaning.

The good news in that from drafts in the last 12 months, we landed 3 keepers in Culley, Hough and Bazzo with Chesser likely to be good but we just do not know. Our picks this year will be crucial as to whether we can genuinely think we are only in the bottom 6 for another 2 or 3 years. Best case scenario I see is being on the edge of the 8 in 2025. There is no easy or quick bounce that I can envisage.

I think we will bounce a bit next year, but not necessarily into the 8. It is contingent on the team getting fit and staying on the park (so may be unrealistic).

I write the first half of this year off completely. If I look at the second half, I think we could expect at least 4 wins if we had a fit team with some confidence (Bombers, Richmond, Hawks, Saints, suns, Crows all winnable games). From there it's not unreasonable to think we could win 8 games and not be in the bottom 4.

If all goes well, it's not extreme to think we win another 4 and end up with 12 and possibly 7th or 8th spot. We still have enough talent on our list, we just need it on the field and a gameplan to suit.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Unless you hold the first pick of the draft, we’re not making any favourable deals with you, because if North bid on Ashcroft, you’ve got nothing to offer us.

Norf won't bid on Ashcroft at #1, they showed last year that the marketing/hype behind having the #1 pick on their list is crucial to them.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I think Shuey should also go too.
1 hammy he is done.
I also do not want to see Gaff, Sheed & Redden together.
So keep Redden for 1 more year so long as Gaff is traded.

Kelly, Yeo, Redden & a refreshed Sheed is enough snr mids. Yeo will move back to midfield next season.
As someone stated above a big pre-season for Willie and he will move into midfield.
Inject Culley, Chesser, Rd 1 pick plus whatever we trade in.
Now is time for clean out. Not in a year.
Start making cap room.

Yep I agree with this. Shuey is done . Yes he does some nice things offensively but watching him trott behind his opponent when they have the ball and not being able to or willing to catch them is infuriating.

Redden has triggered an extension and deserves another year but not automatically selected in the seniors .

Gaff needs to be told he will be behind the next generation for selection. If he wants a regular game ask for a trade .

Witherden gone just not good enough and way too slow .

Nelson - i hold hope that a team will offer him a contract and we get a 3rd round pick . Not holding my breath

Winder - i have liked his move to the midfield in the wafl but I would rather bring in a top 40 pick . Maybe rookie

Hurn - i love the man but we really don't achieve much keeping him on . We need to pump games into our next generation and winning games is secondary to exposure for the next few years

West - just not afl standard . He is a poor man's maginnity

Dixon , naish , joyce , stadnica that's for your service .

I feel that Kelly yeo sheed and redden is enough midfield senior experience

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Under current rules, yes.

And a 20% discount? On academy players not just F/S

 

[Schtinker]

‘Overweight? You do not get paid’: Cornes’ shock AFL stance

All AFL clubs — in particular West Coast — should take note and follow the NBA’s lead on Zion Williamson, whose $193 million contract dictates he must stay in shape, writes Kane Cornes in his explosive column.

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Are we too fat or just thick? Is our fitness regime top notch or behind the 8 ball?

 

[Obeanie1]

He sat two years out and has played footy in patches this season, no way in hell we'd get a pick in the 20s for him.

The Suns would do that without blinking.

Especially if they lost Rankin.