List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[wirra44]

Simmo's trolling is next level

With Pick 1 in the mid season draft the West Coast Eagles select Aaron Black, West Perth Football Club

 

[Monocle]

He was saying 10-12 weeks in that video, there’s only 13 weeks left in the season. Don’t see the point.

At the most, take him off in a couple of months and replace him with whoever’s leg has fallen off.

Miguel has found a situation in which Tom Joyce gets a game.

 

[shooshka]

He was saying 10-12 weeks in that video, there’s only 13 weeks left in the season. Don’t see the point.

At the most, take him off in a couple of months and replace him with whoever’s leg has fallen off.

Exactly, we just put 2 extra players on the inactive list - but in reality probably could have put at least another 2 (4 moved there now, making 6 total). Not even considering potentially retiring a couple of players (who would happily do that for the club would be my guess).

If we have any player on the inactive list who we can or want to bring back we won't have difficulties with list spot management. Our difficulties seem to be too far the other way - i.e. can't field a team without at least a few unfit or recovering players.

 

[EagleEgo]

Putting too many players on inactive list can cause salary cap issues.

 

[FKASC]

Simmo’s choice for MSD pick #1:

 

[Obeanie1]

Putting too many players on inactive list can cause salary cap issues.

Was thinking that.

But really, if two mid season top up players put us over the cap id be surprised. And considering the AFL bulldozed our season not allowing games to be posponed Im pretty bloody sure they would tick off the extra 2 x $50k or whatever they get for half a season.

 

[shooshka]

Was thinking that.

But really, if two mid season top up players put us over the cap id be surprised. And considering the AFL bulldozed our season not allowing games to be posponed Im pretty bloody sure they would tick off the extra 2 x $50k or whatever they get for half a season.

Do you have to under pay the cap to then be allowed to over-pay in the following year, or can you over-pay then you must cut that from the following year?

I know the allowance is there to pay (as an example) 95% of the cap this season, then that team is allowed to pay 105% the following season.

But if we can do it in reverse then going to 102%-105% of the cap this season (with enforcement that we have to pay 95-97% next year and no more) would be perfectly fine. Even with the ongoing big contracts (Gov, Gaff, TK) we will be struggling to pay the full cap with the number of rookies and draftees we are bringing in.


If we can't over-pay this year, just re-negotiate with some players. Extra holidays are guaranteed for them this season, and likely next year - so if they have 2-3 future seasons on their contract would they take $50k extra in a later year for giving up $30k now?

 

[WCErevival]

Putting too many players on inactive list can cause salary cap issues.

They would ask Gaff and co to push some of their contract into later years

 

[bh90210fan]

Salary caps and players contracts are a bit of a mystery but everyone seems to fit these guys in somehow (besides Collingwood)

Tom Cole

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Tom Cole

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

110.3

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

110.3

2star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

just extended. It’s not a reach to think they could’ve worked something out with his contract to fit in a couple of rookies this season.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Good, let’s put that suggestion to bed.

 

[ep2018]

I wouldn't be opposed to them getting an end of first round PP. And I'd hope if we're still shit in a couple years we'd get one too.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Cole is close to returning off the inactive list so maybe only one pick MSD and NicNat later in season
Culley big chance for us surely ...
Florenca is easily good enough but we're going for ( don't fall over ) youth .

Joyce is likely to go to the inactive list

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I wouldn't be opposed to them getting an end of first round PP. And I'd hope if we're still shit in a couple years we'd get one too.

How much better would they have been if they still had Ben brown up forward, and Robbie Tarrant down back?

Shouldnt reward teams for making decision to be bad.

 

[THE A5]

At the very least he tries his guts out, I don't think he'll be as good as Shep mainly because I don't think his size will allow him to be as versatilve as Shep was but we're not in any position to be sending players with his attitude packing particularly when there's no materially better player in his position on our list.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.

Him and Shep were roughly the same size but shep was one of the rare mid size defenders that was able to play on tall opponents. When Cole is on he is one of our best mid/small defenders but a bit like Duggan he lacks the consistency. Maybe with age and responsibility he can step it up over the next couple years

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Him and Shep were roughly the same size but shep was one of the rare mid size defenders that was able to play on tall opponents. When Cole is on he is one of our best mid/small defenders but a bit like Duggan he lacks the consistency. Maybe with age and responsibility he can step it up over the next couple years

Yep, my concerns were pretty much around Cole being able to play tall like shep could given he's 3cm shorter which I don't recall having seen him do yet.

No concerns around his ability to guard small forwards outside of the frees he gives away from being overeager and running flat nut at someone on the ground only to get the high.

 

[juddy_Like]

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Good, let’s put that suggestion to bed.

Why is it when a club is up shit creek, it’s PP that automatically gets brought up. PP should be disbanded forever.

North’s issues isn’t from a lack of talent. More so poor list management, lack of development and repeated coaching changes.

If a club like North or GC are in that bad of shape, give them concession in the form of soft cap, extra coach or whatever since it directly impacts them but doesn’t really influence anyone else unlike a PP.

Anyways, carry on.

 

[Agent93]

Tom Cole has signed a three year deal to the end of 2025.

Does anyone do a GAR / WAR stat for AFL?

 

[kane249]

Does anyone do a GAR / WAR stat for AFL?

WAR, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, uhh
Say it again, y'all
WAR, huh (good God)
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me, oh

 

[Agent93]

What is it good for?

Evaluating players' value against others. Particularly HBFs who have recently resigned on a fairly long contract.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Does anyone do a GAR / WAR stat for AFL?

Gah? Wah?

 

[Ochre]

Gah? Wah?

GAR is Goals Above Replacement which is a measure of how many goals extra a player is worth over the next best available player they'd be replaced with if unavailable, and WAR is a state of armed conflict between different countries

 

[jesterwester]

At the very least he tries his guts out, I don't think he'll be as good as Shep mainly because I don't think his size will allow him to be as versatilve as Shep was but we're not in any position to be sending players with his attitude packing particularly when there's no materially better player in his position on our list.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.

He cares about the club and wants to be around even if the next couple of years are going to be tough. That for mine is a great sign.

My comment around comparing to Shep- they are different players but it was really at 24/25 that Shep was able to get consistency with his body and he settled into a genuine top line defender. Cole is different in the sense that he’s not as capable on the talls as Shep- but he’s turning 25 tomorrow, has 78 games under his belt. He’s just entering his prime now so that consistency of performance really sets in.

I personally think we give up on players too quickly which is why we now see players that are 26/27 floating around at state level and people wonder why they never made it at AFL level. They mature with experience in the game but also how they can best use their own strengths to advantage. I for one am all for picking up guys at 24/25 who didn’t give up on their dream. You know they will put in 100% because they know the work needed at the level.

 

[GlennTwenty]

Does anyone do a GAR / WAR stat for AFL?

I assume the answer is no although I can confidently say that each player on the West Coast list (with the possible exception of Trew and Basso who haven't played) have a Goals Above Replacement of -4 and a Wins Above Replacement of 0.

Thankfully most of them still have lots of credits (excpet Nelson who spend his at the Hip E).

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So what will 2 picks mean for the list come year end and Cap?

We have 37 on the main list and 7 rookies. That is 44 and with now 4 on the LTI list, it comes down to an available of 40 players allowing the 2 picks. It does mean that we will have a total of 46 on our list and the max excluding inactive is 42.

Come season end, we will need to clear at least 7 to take the 3 compulsory picks. I suspect it will be more like delisting/retiring.

Of the LTI, none are out of contract.

We may have up to 9 rookies in Jones, Trew, West, Dixon, Strnadica, Naish, Joyce and 2 from the MSD. Of these, I see West, Jones and Naish offered contracts with the possibility of the 2 from next week asking for 18 month terms. So goodbye on the cards for Trew, Dixon, Strnadica, and Joyce - at least 4 rookies to go. Hopefully we choose 19/20 year old players with good upside in the MSD so we stay patient for 18 months.

I looks like the obvious JK and Hurn retiring and I would not be surprised to see Shuey and Redden join them. Shuey when available is good but he cannot stay on the park and cannot justify a list spot. Redden is good depth and has been consistent and may get another year but I think it is on small $$.

The heat will be on Nelson and B Williams to keep their spots. Neither would have much in trade value and will be vulnerable. Winder looked good against GWS and more of that sees him retain his spot. I think Jamieson has gone past B Williams so likely stays. One of Bailey or Strnadica may also stay given NicNat and C Edwards feels thin in ruck stocks. H Edwards will get an extension before the end of the year.

Main list it is up to 4 retiring and another 1 or 2 traded/delisted.

In terms of current salary cap squeeze - I believe there would be scope to go to the AFL and seek exemption for the top ups and to ask a player like Sheed or Jack to move a $100k back a year as the Salary Cap is expected to go up substantially and easy to balance back up.

Hopefully we have no long term contracts that are tied to cap % increases.

The likes of Waterman, Langdon, O'Neill and Petruccelle will be nervous going into 2023 as they look like the next group under threat. I hope we don't tell Cripps it will be his call in 223 as to go on - he looks like he is one of Simmo's favourites.

As a reminder on the big $ signings, Guv in under contract through to the end of 2023, Gaff to 2024 and Kelly/Darling to 2025.

So come 2024, we should have a good looking salary cap. We must refrain from signing up the average or fringe players beyond a 1 year deal and should not be paying overs. It will be interesting to see what draft class of Hough, Bazzo, JWilliams and Clark get by way of extensions. I would be fine in modest $$ and adding 2 years to all 4 (Chesser already extended).

We should also expect a likely lowish finish in 2023 meaning we get this and next year to build quality through the draft and wait until 2024 trading/2023 FA to bring in others. I am also OK going aggressive and use the end of season draft if we finish with pick 1 if it was a way to get one of English, Hill, or Robertson for free while Angus Brayshaw

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Angus Brayshaw

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

(RFA) is of interest.

 

[WestCoast05]

Has anyone else thought about the fact that if we could just absolutely nail 2 good picks in the MSD while in last place then in combination with the end of season ND we possibly could have drafted as if we had been down bottom for a couple of years ready to start the upward part of the rebuild next year (even moreso if Chesser, Hough and Winder come good)


FB: Cole Barrass Duggan
HB: Yeo McGov Foley

R: NicNat Wardlaw Florenca
C: Chesser Kelly Culley

HF: Jones Dixon SPS
FF: Ryan Allen Winder

I: BWilliams Hough West Rioli
S: Rotham

E: HEdwards LEdwards Clark Sheed