List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 31/10/24) ...

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[mattyc75]

If we finish 17th, I would be very inclined to trade 2 for Jackson

Currently Ashcroft and Warlord are the best 2 mids and we won't have access to them

We not go after a 21 year old ruckman?

Pick 2 will get the job down, Freo can compete with that

We've nab Culley already and have 19 and 25 to draft mids

You think 2 on its own gets it done? I dont.
I still think north will go a tall if one stands up in the second half of the year.theyve been panned for not taking McDonald recently.
A lot depends on keeping horne francis or what they get for him

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[bzparkes]

CJ's game style is not dissimilar to Jackson I recon. I can't wait to see what he can do with further exposure and a full pre-season behind him in that role.

They were actually ruck partners prior to being drafted.

 

[bzparkes]

You think 2 on its own gets it done? I dont.
I still think north will go a tall if one stands up in the second half of the year.theyve been panned for not taking McDonald recently.
A lot depends on keeping horne francis or what they get for him

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Yep. North are also desperate for a KPD, after Tarrant left. If Busslinger keeps on improving, I have an inkling they'll take him, even if they have the no.1 pick.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

It's too early to be doing the "if he's not part of the rebuild *** him off" scenario.

Having players who continuously break down is normally an issue. It's better to have a player out for the whole season rather than be in and out and the team not sure if he can play each week or not. Normally.

But the issue we have is this;

The cupboard is bare. There's no point retiring player "who aren't going to be part of our rebuild" if we can only replace them with "players who are not going to be good enough". We need 2x A+ midfielders. None of these other players (that have bodies big enough to play in the middle) are going to be that. So you throw Shuey out and replace him with someone who is currently not good enough and also won't be part of the rebuild. The net result (1 and 11) is the same.

As for the injury thing, in any other situation it's an issue and that inconsistency and lack of certainty hurts. But again, the other option brings the same net result and these players are not good enough now and unlikely to be in the future.

We just have to sit tight and wait for the real talent to arrive. That's when we'll have some real options. As it stands, Hough is just getting some game time and building his body.

I would have to disagree.

Shuey is not only a missing presence on the field but also missing on the training track .

I feel we have to shed 2 of shuey, gaff or redden at seasons end to create list spots and opportunities for other young mids .

Gaff is contracted so if a team wants him I would let him him go for a 3rd rounder . 2nd rounder if we pay some of his salary the next 2 years .

Redden by all reports is a selfless player and great club man who is still playing afl footy at a good level , staying fit and available.

Shuey who has been my favourite player and our best mid for years just needs to take a leaf from Darren glass book and realise his body is shot and retire

 

[ArdentEagle]

They were actually ruck partners prior to being drafted.

So we drafted an athletic, mobile Ruck and played/developed him as a Defender?
NO WAY - Doesn't sound like us at all.

 

[Doashuey]

I would have to disagree.

Shuey is not only a missing presence on the field but also missing on the training track .

I feel we have to shed 2 of shuey, gaff or redden at seasons end to create list spots and opportunities for other young mids .

Gaff is contracted so if a team wants him I would let him him go for a 3rd rounder . 2nd rounder if we pay some of his salary the next 2 years .

Redden by all reports is a selfless player and great club man who is still playing afl footy at a good level , staying fit and available.

Shuey who has been my favourite player and our best mid for years just needs to take a leaf from Darren glass book and realise his body is shot and retire

I think it is pointless making that decision now. He has another 10 games of footy to see if he has come good or gets injured again. That will more than likely be the basis on which he makes his call. Get through the season unscathed and playing good footy, he signs another 1 year extension. Do another hammy and it's probably curtains.
There are plenty of other players on our list that I would delist ahead of Shuey if he can stay on the track for the rest of the season.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Shuey who has been my favourite player and our best mid for years just needs to take a leaf from Darren glass book and realise his body is shot and retire

I wondered where this was going for a sec...

 

[WCErevival]

Didn't Nesbitt basically say we aren't trading out our top picks?

 

[bzparkes]

Didn't Nesbitt basically say we aren't trading out our top picks?

Yes.

But he also said the Kelly trade was one of the greatest ever and that Gaff played golf with Andy Brayshaw.

Take it with a grain of salt but I don't think we'll be trading.

 

[Schtinker]

Didn't Nesbitt basically say we aren't trading out our top picks?

But said nothing about next years top picks.

 

[EagleMutt]

If redden gets to 15 games for the season he triggers another 1 year contract according to xavier ellis

Xavier Ellis

Age

36

Ht

186cm

Wt

81kg

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Career

Season

Last 5

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16.2

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

272.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.8

3star

 

[Rowan18]

Yeah but that's simply a terrible idea to begin with.

I mean, he's regressed this year and everyone's still frothing over his GF performance.

The litmus test will be how he goes with Gawn out for 6 weeks.

I would not make a trade using our first this year for him, under any circumstance.

I agree, I don't want Jackson. It is crazy to pay overs for potential. That is literally what the draft is for, but at least you pay with one pick only.

Was just pointing out that we can trade our first rounder but have to be creative if we do. The club has already said a few times that they're prioritising the draft, so I doubt we trade it anyone.

 

[WCE_phil]

Yeah I'm a fan of D'Alioa. A tad unconventional, but has big impact on games.
Runs all day from contest to contest, wins ground balls cleanly and moves well out of stoppages to give the ball to other mids in a better position. Huge on field leader. To improve our contested game this guy would be a great selection with one of our seconds.
His kicking looks a little awkward but it's still effective.
I think he's a better version of Jack Graham.

For me with D'Aloia it will come down to the champs. The more awkward the kicking action the more problems you have as a result of higher pressure and the speed of the game. If he can play well against Vic Metro and get some good ball outside he will shoot up my list. As you've said he is a real on field leader and he is rock ****ing hard.

In regards to the North Scout's rankings I would have suggested those were earlier on in the year and based on talent purely. For me Keeler is the most talented player in the draft pool. But he's a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle. You put it all together and you get a truly generational player. But he hasn't even put it together in even 1 game at a lower level yet. But the touch, size, skills and athleticism are on a level above the other players in the draft. Now if he puts it all together in the champs and afterwards he could go as high as pick 1. The realistic spot for him is anywhere from 5-30 depending on how he plays out the year. At some stage a club is just going to go this guy is too talented not to draft. Very much why Mac Andrew was drafted as high as he was last year.

 

[Balls In]

Everyone wanting to push out the veteran mids like Shuey. Much better for us if he gets a run of games and match conditioning. Could easily get another quality year out of him in 2023.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Hewett BOG for WA in practice match versus Subiaco reserves!!!

 

[Mulldogg]

 

[Chump Change]

A premiership team is never filled with just A+ or A grade players. There is always a solid, reliable core of b and c graders who contribute either on the day or through the season to qualify.

No shit. Never said it wasn't. But I did say you have to have roughly 2x A+ and then 5 or 6 A graders.

Sure, Shuey might not be directly replaced by our next A+ mid, but is there a potential B or C grade role player who he might be holding out of the side?

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Role player? Those guys generally don't play midfield. We have Kelly and Sheed with plenty of years left. We will draft a number of midfielders over the next dew seasons to find those A and A+ graders.

I can't see a player we have right now (who has a body big enough) who can be developed into an A or A+ mid.

 

[Chump Change]

I would have to disagree.

Shuey is not only a missing presence on the field but also missing on the training track .

I feel we have to shed 2 of shuey, gaff or redden at seasons end to create list spots and opportunities for other young mids .

Gaff is contracted so if a team wants him I would let him him go for a 3rd rounder . 2nd rounder if we pay some of his salary the next 2 years .

Redden by all reports is a selfless player and great club man who is still playing afl footy at a good level , staying fit and available.

Shuey who has been my favourite player and our best mid for years just needs to take a leaf from Darren glass book and realise his body is shot and retire

But we have to have the mids first......

Hough is slight and probably needs to be playing on flanks before integratig him in (if he's good enough). Chesser may be ready next year. Maybe we get Warlord and he can rotate straight in.

But this year? There's no one.

 

[Dylan82]

Hewett BOG for WA in practice match versus Subiaco reserves!!!

That's enough of that, time to get out the tent.

We want you in the second round Elijah.

 

[BBQ Mania]

I'm glad it is difficult for us to trade our first this year as it lessons the chance we do something stupid with it. Pick a mid, please please please pick a mid.

Watching the game against Geelong and the players don't seem to have got the memo we need to tank this year. I'm now worried we might win some junk time games in the back part of the season.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Watching the game against Geelong and the players don't seem to have got the memo we need to tank this year. I'm now worried we might win some junk time games in the back part of the season.

You can shove that memo right up yo arse.

 

[dkalphy]

Player i want is Phillipo, 192cm midfielder and would be in next years draft if born a few days later.

 

[shooshka]

If we finish 17th, I would be very inclined to trade 2 for Jackson

Currently Ashcroft and Warlord are the best 2 mids and we won't have access to them

We not go after a 21 year old ruckman?

Pick 2 will get the job down, Freo can compete with that

We've nab Culley already and have 19 and 25 to draft mids

It's just too high a price for a ruckman unless they are an absolute freak (I.e. NN).

Top 5 picks can get you elite mids or mid/fwds (Petracca, Oliver, Bont, Dusty). Or elite key forwards (Naughton, King brothers, Mckay). Or really dangerous forwards (who may be able to chop out in the midfield) (De Goey, Green, Rayner, Rankine).

Obviously some of those guys were later in the top 10 but the point stands.

Very rarely will you look at a game and say the ruckman was the difference. The players listed above are regularly the difference. Take the chance in trying to get one of those types of players.

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[shooshka]

No s**t. Never said it wasn't. But I did say you have to have roughly 2x A+ and then 5 or 6 A graders.



Role player? Those guys generally don't play midfield. We have Kelly and Sheed with plenty of years left. We will draft a number of midfielders over the next dew seasons to find those A and A+ graders.

I can't see a player we have right now (who has a body big enough) who can be developed into an A or A+ mid.

Kelly is A grade.

Every time I see Clark play I get the feeling he could be an excellent bit-part in a premiership team. Needs more elite talent around him, but tackles and blocks for team mates like pretty much no-one else on our list.

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[Eastcoasteagle]

That's enough of that, time to get out the tent.

We want you in the second round Elijah.

Watched the first half, was outstanding playing on ball. Good aggression in the contest, had some great burst from stoppages. Can't wait to see him go head to head with Wardlaw.