List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

[larrikin]

A few things I do know

Vardy is not impressed by the club. Gave him a contract offer then withdrew it pending the end of the trade period. If anyone offers him something even close to a contract, he will leave. Known dog act by the club and quite unprofessional really. We are normally better

We are pretty light on with salary cap room. Any in better then Zac Langdon will require a out of our own and also a backended deal too. Dont know this for sure at all but I do suspect Petchs 3 year deal has a bit to do with us not having much cash to offer.

Surprised any list finalisation is happening before list sizes and salary caps are locked in.

Even more surprised Vardy had a contract offer on the table.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

A few things I do know

Vardy is not impressed by the club. Gave him a contract offer then withdrew it pending the end of the trade period. If anyone offers him something even close to a contract, he will leave. Known dog act by the club and quite unprofessional really. We are normally better

We are pretty light on with salary cap room. Any in better then Zac Langdon will require a out of our own and also a backended deal too. Dont know this for sure at all but I do suspect Petchs 3 year deal has a bit to do with us not having much cash to offer.

Not sure why they’d even offer Vardy a new deal tbh.

Unless and until Hickey asks for a trade, he’s way too far down the pecking order to be a required player.

 

[Avalor]

I was replying to the Langon v Treacy call.

One player has played at the top level and quite well in his first year.

Tracy didn't get a look in when we were crying out for small forwards. Has never cracked a game.

So based on what we / I know if the call was between those two for the last spot my vote is Langdon.

And lastly we need a small forward to play a role. Defend, pressure, crumb and dont get in the way of the talls. Does not require the class of Rioli.......that was always a bonus.

I wasn't talking about any Traecy/Langdon comparison, sorry if that was read into it, I just take exception to people assuming that Traecy doesn't work hard enough or that his attitude was bad. None of us know that and it stinks to put it onto the kid.
I hope we look at Langdon.

 

[Obeanie1]

I wasn't talking about any Traecy/Langdon comparison, sorry if that was read into it, I just take exception to people assuming that Traecy doesn't work hard enough or that his attitude was bad. None of us know that and it stinks to put it onto the kid.
I hope we look at Langdon.

I wasn't bagging Treacy either. I hope he stays at it works out but it seems Langdon and J Jones are ahead of him.

Players don't come out requesting trades to a specific club unless an acceptable deal has been offered and accepted.

 

[Dark Sharks]

We'll know about Treacy's attitude, or if he was good or bad in the coming days when they announce the delistings.

Given he never seemed under consideration this year, despite us having a desperate need for his services, there's always going to be speculation. That's it.



Nobody knows anything. Assumption is literally what we do all day on this board. That and making jokes.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Surprised any list finalisation is happening before list sizes and salary caps are locked in.

Even more surprised Vardy had a contract offer on the table.

The idea was Hickey gets traded and Vardy stays. Not too sure where this stands now. I suspect Hickey now hangs around and Vardy is the one to go

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

A few things I do know

Vardy is not impressed by the club. Gave him a contract offer then withdrew it pending the end of the trade period. If anyone offers him something even close to a contract, he will leave. Known dog act by the club and quite unprofessional really. We are normally better

We are pretty light on with salary cap room. Any in better then Zac Langdon will require a out of our own and also a backended deal too. Dont know this for sure at all but I do suspect Petchs 3 year deal has a bit to do with us not having much cash to offer.

I not sure why the AFL industry think it is acceptable to do that - offer a contract and then withdraw it - because it is extremely poor form and treating an individual as a commodity. It happens way too often and I am surprised the militant AFLPA haven't put an end to it.

I suspected that they offered Vardy a contract as they knew Hickey was receiving offers, longer-term and more financially viable, than what he had at West Coast, and that Naitanui is unfortunately very injury prone. We need an experienced ruckman as back-up if Naitanui gets injured again.

 

[maverick001]

I’d take a mid to late second rounder for Brander happily. Even an early third if push comes to shove. Only prospect for him I think is as a defender.
Happy to take Langdon for a bit more competition in forward line, although I have high hopes for Cameron, less so for Petch. Given the peanuts GWS have been accepting for good players leaving the club over the last few years, I’d not want to give any better than a fourth round for him though.
Would be happy to give up our first third round pick for a Constable or Brodie as we lack midfield depth and mids in this age bracket. They’ve both shown enough at AFL level I believe.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I’d take a mid to late second rounder for Brander happily. Even an early third if push comes to shove. Only prospect for him I think is as a defender.
Happy to take Langdon for a bit more competition in forward line, although I have high hopes for Cameron, less so for Petch. Given the peanuts GWS have been accepting for good players leaving the club over the last few years, I’d not want to give any better than a fourth round for him though.
Would be happy to give up our first third round pick for a Constable or Brodie as we lack midfield depth and mids in this age bracket. They’ve both shown enough at AFL level I believe.

Zero chance of affording Will Brodies salary. He is on big coin.

The only realistic player we could target and id like to target is Quinton Narkle. Him for Brander could be a win/win deal

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Hardly need to overpay for Langdon.

Out of contract
Quiet, unspectacular past 2 seasons
Surplus to GWS needs
Overtaken by Hill
Not best 22
Has nominated WA, West Coast preferred


But hey, we gave everything we possibly could've for Kelly despite seemingly having the upper hand, so who knows what we'd pay GWS.

this year and next year's 6th rounders

 

[Monocle]

Zero chance of affording Will Brodies salary. He is on big coin.

The only realistic player we could target and id like to target is Quinton Narkle. Him for Brander could be a win/win deal

That would not sit well with me.

I would be wanting something more than just Narkle not a massive amount more perhaps a pick upgrade: maybe
they get their third back and our third and we get their second.

 

[Obeanie1]

Zero chance of affording Will Brodies salary. He is on big coin.

The only realistic player we could target and id like to target is Quinton Narkle. Him for Brander could be a win/win deal

If we trade Brander, who is under contract, as a straight swap for Narkle I will eat my dog.

Seriously one of the most ridiculous trade suggestions ever to see the light of day on this board.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If we trade Brander, who is under contract, as a straight swap for Narkle I will eat my dog.

Seriously one of the most ridiculous trade suggestions ever to see the light of day on this board.

Narkle is a better pickup then Constable and Brodie if you ask me.

 

[Chris_6678]

Yeah rather keep Brander than a swap for Narkle.

I f eel Narkle could be another Ah Chee who has moments but cant put it together.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I not sure why the AFL industry think it is acceptable to do that - offer a contract and then withdraw it - because it is extremely poor form and treating an individual as a commodity. It happens way too often and I am surprised the militant AFLPA haven't put an end to it.

I suspected that they offered Vardy a contract as they knew Hickey was receiving offers, longer-term and more financially viable, than what he had at West Coast, and that Naitanui is unfortunately very injury prone. We need an experienced ruckman as back-up if Naitanui gets injured again.

Most contracts have a deadline in them. Not sure why this is considered poor form. An open offer is nothing more than a call option and that is commodity talk.

I have no insights into when or how long the offer was on the table but almost every negotiation (including labour) I have ever seen has a deadline or time limit in it.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The idea was Hickey gets traded and Vardy stays. Not too sure where this stands now. I suspect Hickey now hangs around and Vardy is the one to go

I would be offering up Vardy for Langdon. Probably a salary saving for us. We would then have 4 rucks and bolster our smaller forward stocks. Meanwhile GWS lose a position of excess and pick up another cheap ruck option.

 

[The_Gambler]

Here is your original comment



It's full of factual inaccuracies. 12 tackles and 5 contested marks in 8 games. You can't say he had zero contested marks and zero tackles in order to make your point and then say "whoop di doo 5 CM marks".

Literally your whole argument was he didn't do either of those things, and he did.

12 tackles and 5 contested marks in 8 games = can’t tackle and can’t take contested marks. You want to pick him on the basis of these strengths? Put the kool aid down

 

[Obeanie1]

Narkle is a better pickup then Constable and Brodie if you ask me.

That's great.

But no way do we do a direct swap Narkle for Brander unless Brander is caught red handed at a strip club, breaching covid guidelines doing a whale impersonation spraying beer, snorting lines and wearing a Bob Marley shirt.

It is THAT crazy!!!

 

[Monocle]

I think Narkle is a lot better than Ah Chee, however I would rather pass on a direct swap, Brander for Narkle than do that trade.

Talls take longer and are rated in general higher than mids, due to the supply and demand imbalance.

I also rate Constable as a better player than Narkle. However Constable will have no shortage of Melbourne based suitors. He can get better game day opportunities with out having to move State.

 

[Obeanie1]

12 tackles and 5 contested marks in 8 games = can’t tackle and can’t take contested marks. You want to pick him on the basis of these strengths? Put the kool aid down

W w w what?

A player like Brander averaging 1.5 tackles a game is actually not bad going at all for a tall.

And considering he's playing wing 5 contested marks isn't terrible either.

Do you criticize defenders for not kicking enough goals by any chance?

 

[RanaNaved]

12 tackles and 5 contested marks in 8 games = can’t tackle and can’t take contested marks. You want to pick him on the basis of these strengths? Put the kool aid down

You don't know what can't means

 

[FreeTK]

12 tackles and 5 contested marks in 8 games = can’t tackle and can’t take contested marks. You want to pick him on the basis of these strengths? Put the kool aid down

You were the one talking in absolutes.

averaging just under 1 CM per game off a wing is actually a pretty good return. And given the defensive wing role is more around structure and guarding the corridor, there isn't that many opportunities to tackle.

Like another poster said, you don't know the definition of "can't".

That is just another thing to add to the long as fucck list of things you don't know.

I hope it's not 6 months of this over and over and over again.

You have a certain opinion of Brander that I don't agree with.

I'm dead set certain that you don't know shitt about shitt.

More than happy to revisit this conversation with you in 6-8 months time.

Right now it's simply a circular argument.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

Most contracts have a deadline in them. Not sure why this is considered poor form. An open offer is nothing more than a call option and that is commodity talk.

I have no insights into when or how long the offer was on the table but almost every negotiation (including labour) I have ever seen has a deadline or time limit in it.

I know the law thanks and I can tell you most contracts offered to me by big companies often have no deadline date.

Football clubs regularly give players a very short window to sign if they are a fringe player. Naturally, a player’s agent is going to try and either negotiate a better deal with the club or seek out other clubs.

 

[mezaire]

With Geelong basically having no picks after 33, I think they may have to do some pick splitting to land Higgins.
Wonder if we could pry our/their 1st pick out with a Brander/Narkle trade?

Something like
Brander + 33 + 51
For
Narkle + 17

Geelong then on trade 51 for Higgins.

Would Geelong be happy with 17 for 33, Brander and Higgins?

 

[Chris_6678]

With Geelong basically having no picks after 33, I think they may have to do some pick splitting to land Higgins.
Wonder if we could pry our/their 1st pick out with a Brander/Narkle trade?

Something like
Brander + 33 + 51
For
Narkle + 17

Geelong then on trade 51 for Higgins.

Would Geelong be happy with 17 for 33, Brander and Higgins?

No