We will need another key position forward as of 2022. If not for chunks of next year given JK’s age. I’d be loathe to trade Brander unless the Eagles think he can’t be that player based on what they’ve seen at training etc.
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Lambert and Short are important players for Richmond. Asking whether they could replace a player like Martin is silly.
Richmond were missing Cotchin, Prestia and Edwards for large chunks of the year and Lambert filled the gap admirably. Short isn’t a midfielder so is a moot point, but he’d get a game in any AFL side.
No one is saying the rookie draft is more important than trading decisions or having early picks, but it’s silly to suggest that it’s irrelevant. And when you don’t have the luxury of high draft picks because you’re a successful side, it’s an important opportunity to manage the list
Shit trade, buckets are useless for cutting steak.
Steak knives are useless for carrying mangos- horses for courses.
Vardy is worth Mango spoons in any trade.
Re discussions on Brander. He seems to be touted by some here as a potential KPF. Well the selectors obviously put him behind JK, JD, Allen and Waterman. JK might only have another year but JD hopefully has a few.
So my question is ... fine ... play him but where does he fit in our already overly tall forward line? Easy to say 'put him in' but where? for whom?
Re our game style. It has got to fifth, twice. To me that is failure. We have to find another level. To just keep going with more of the same kick-mark when the chaos-ball game wins three of four GFs is madness. Stacking even more talls into our (tall) side seems to lock us even more into the kick-mark game unless we can - like Clarkson - find some other style that suits our players. Kick-mark requires sustained precision and great skill (which is appropriate if you are a team of champions as we are). Chaos ball relies less on skill and more on being a champion team. And the champion team has won three of the last four. The team of champions has won one of the last four (and currently not better placed than Richmond to win more). Go figure.
So my question is ... fine ... play him but where does he fit in our already overly tall forward line? Easy to say 'put him in' but where? for whom?
Re our game style. It has got to fifth, twice. To me that is failure. We have to find another level. To just keep going with more of the same kick-mark when the chaos-ball game wins three of four GFs is madness. Stacking even more talls into our (tall) side seems to lock us even more into the kick-mark game unless we can - like Clarkson - find some other style that suits our players. Kick-mark requires sustained precision and great skill (which is appropriate if you are a team of champions as we are). Chaos ball relies less on skill and more on being a champion team. And the champion team has won three of the last four. The team of champions has won one of the last four (and currently not better placed than Richmond to win more). Go figure.
And this is a good point. Just because we have basically 3 /4 talls in the forward line it doe not mean we need to always have 3/4 talls up forward when JK retires. We have our 2 KPFs in Allen and Darling for the next 5 years, with Waterman able to play 3rd tall plus Williams. If we end up getting Willie back, a forward line with Willie, Ryan, Cripps and Cameron/Jones and maybe even Shuey spending time on the HFF as he gets older, a 2 tall forward structure may still be very dangerous with a tweak in structure.
What we need if we are to adjust or change our game plan is some outside speed and good ball use- Clark ticks both of these boxes.
I get the arguments both for and against Brander for Clark, but if we are serious about adding another string to our bow as far as game plans go then I think we need to swap out some height for some speed so I would do the Brander for Clark swap if it ever becomes a possibility.
So basically Ainsworths position (as he isn't replacing Ah Chee or Petch up forward). Or Duggan moves to the guts (agree 100% there), Rotham comes in (who I'd prefer to Clark at the moment), and we keep Brander.
I agree that there were selection problems - but I think Clark does nothing to solve them. If Jetta wasn't getting a game ahead of those guys why would Clark?
It's pretty clear we disagree (which is why forums exist!), I just see Brander's ceiling so much higher than Clark's so don't value them the same. Would definitely take Clark for picks (if we had any), just not a straight swap for Brander.
So much this.
Unless Brander is willing to wait till JD hangs the boots up i seriously cant see Brander fitting into the forward line without making us too tall. Oscar is our future JK replacement and not a pinch hitter ruckman. This also allows us to play Bailey williams more often who is a good Ruckman/Forward which we lack since Lycett left.
My ideal forward line post JK:
Cameron Allen Waterman
Ryan Darling Cripps
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Jetta came back from the Covid break unfit. He didn't like hubbing and had a fall out with Simo over that. His form like his attitude was not where it needed to be.
Clark is Jetta but with heart and guts He goes in hard.....too hard is how he injured his shoulder this season.
If you don't think Clark would instantly improve the balance of our best 22 and our attacking options off half back / wing well...............that's your view.
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Re Brander, I recently saw some of his numbers when played in defence.
One game at the nationals, he had 20+ touches and five intercept marks and was elite in intercept possessions.
He also played a handful of games in the backline at WAFL level at the end of 2018 and was elite in intercept possessions and spoils.
Allen, Darling, JK, Waterman and Williams are all ahead of him up forward. There's less competition down back, so I think that's where he'll settle.........maybe...
Really not getting all the Brander love here....
hasn’t he been in the system 3 or 4 years now and looks like an absolute twig?
he will get eaten alive and out muscled by any decent KPD.
I’ve said it before but he is Tony Notte Mark II. I would swap for Clarke in a heart beat, the kid has the tools to be a jet and is a type we are in need of.
Brander on the other hand is surplus too needs.
hasn’t he been in the system 3 or 4 years now and looks like an absolute twig?
he will get eaten alive and out muscled by any decent KPD.
I’ve said it before but he is Tony Notte Mark II. I would swap for Clarke in a heart beat, the kid has the tools to be a jet and is a type we are in need of.
Brander on the other hand is surplus too needs.
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Wouldn't take one with a first round pick. Maybe a rookie pick
Swap hickey for one but they would have to throw in a kiwi fruit as steak knives
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Our S&C guys are balls. The industry has passed us by in this arena.
Some talk of our game plan, I don't see anything wrong with it. Just because we have a kick/mark game plan (which suits our list) it doesn't mean that we shouldn't show the same intensity as Richmond (or any other side) when we don't have possession or when the ball is in dispute. IMO the lack of intensity is the flaw, not the game plan itself.
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Yep this . Desire to chase and win the ground ball was key to us winning 2018 .
Saying that our game plan structure has us sagging a player/players off the defensive side of the stoppage meaning we are outnumbered at the fall of the ball
We do this in hope of getting the opposition to kick long over our defensive positioned mids to bring into play our intercept marking defenders .
This strategy falls apart in the wet or slippery conditions
We are also susceptible to teams who use run and carry through our defensive wall and don't kick long to a contest
Biggest mistake would be trying to emulate the "Richmond style"
No one's going to beat Richmond by playing the Richmond style. They're simply better at it than anyone.
Working out what beats it is the challenge
No one's going to beat Richmond by playing the Richmond style. They're simply better at it than anyone.
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You cant really go harder, you cant out run them, you cant outlast them. Not sure what you do apart from just being first to the ball.
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I think anyone tagging the Richmond game plan as "chaos ball" is underselling it.
Those handball releases out the front of the stoppage are amazing. The ability to have numbers running toward their goal and disrupt opposition possession is very effective.
They are playing the game differently to most but it is very structured.
Those handball releases out the front of the stoppage are amazing. The ability to have numbers running toward their goal and disrupt opposition possession is very effective.
They are playing the game differently to most but it is very structured.
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