Certified Legendary Thread Corona, Jamaica ooh I wanna take ya (COVID-19 Information & Discussion Here) Part 2 "The Second Wave"

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Nobody is being negative about a successful rollout, it's the "early" bit which we're having problems with.

We just don't see how any of the vaccines could possibly be determined to be safe, given the abnormally short period of the trials. It's just too early to have valid answers to many of the questions which need to be answered, before the drugs could be considered safe to administer.

We're all hanging out for a safe and effective vaccine. Unfortunately, there's no way of any such thing appearing on the market before ~2024 or 2025 at the very earliest. What we'll have instead are partially tested drugs, whose long term effects remain completely unknown due to the extremely abbreviated trial process.
By 2024/25 this thing will be a blip in history. Well and truly behind us.
 
By 2024/25 this thing will be a blip in history. Well and truly behind us.
We can only hope that this is the case...

It doesn't alter the fact that 2024/25 is the earliest possible date for a safe and fully tested vaccine, as distinct from the partially tested vaccines which will be coming on the market in the next 6-12 months.
 

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Lot of dick measuring on about who knows most about vaccine development and implementation.

I'm just hoping they get one going ASAP for those countries who are struggling.

At the moment the risk of anyone in Australia catching Covid is next to zero, I can't see the need for Australia to rush into mass vaccinations when the longer term effects aren't/can't be known.

Personally I won't be lining up for a jab anytime soon, how rushed the process has been worries me and we're not planning on an overseas holiday in the next few years.

There's really no measuring. A couple of people are just regurgitating the widely reported information and have done nothing different the entire time. Then there's the local 'experts' who know more about the specifics of these potential vaccines and time frames than do the manufacturers and governments setting up procurement and distribution.

It reminds me of the early days where certain 'expert' posters knew more than the scientists and governments in charge and stated as fact it was too late and we were already the next Italy. Who'd have thought that imbecilic alarmism wouldn't translate to vaccinatorial good news denialism.

Knew more than the actual scientists about the spread and more than the scientists about the vaccine. We're lucky to have these people around given how in demand they must be. Seriously, they're Martyesque.
 
Its funny the positive footy people have turned the negative covid people and vice versa.

Those that got the footy club wrong are more likely to get pandemic wrong too. It's wholly unsurprising. Some people see the evidence in front of them and accept it for what it is, others need to tear it down to meet a held belief.

 

Sounding positive

Greg Hunt to hold a presser today

Australians will get a coronavirus vaccine from March, Mr Hunt confirmed on Wednesday.

The Qld vaccine sounds more like an anti-viral rather than vaccine - or am I misreading

So far, results are showing the vaccine to be safe and effective in producing virus-neutralising antibodies among elderly participants taking part in a trial.


 

Sounding positive

Greg Hunt to hold a presser today

Australians will get a coronavirus vaccine from March, Mr Hunt confirmed on Wednesday.

The Qld vaccine sounds more like an anti-viral rather than vaccine - or am I misreading

So far, results are showing the vaccine to be safe and effective in producing virus-neutralising antibodies among elderly participants taking part in a trial.

No, that is what vaccines do.

They prompt the body to create antibodies that then last until the person gets exposure to the virus, at which point the antibodies kick into gear and eliminate the virus before it can start to grow within the body.
 
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We can only hope that this is the case...

It doesn't alter the fact that 2024/25 is the earliest possible date for a safe and fully tested vaccine, as distinct from the partially tested vaccines which will be coming on the market in the next 6-12 months.
They’ll be pretty well tested in about 12 months after hundreds of millions of them have been administered.
 
They’ll be pretty well tested in about 12 months after hundreds of millions of them have been administered.
No, they won't.

If 100 million people were injected with the drug in January 2021, by January 2022 you'd have plenty of data points for determining efficacy and safety in the first 12 months. You still wouldn't have a single data point at the 4-year mark (i.e. determining the longer term effects of the drug) until 2025 at the earliest.

Do not make the mistake of equating a multitude of short-term data, with an adequate volume of long-term testing. Long term testing, by definition, requires a long period of time.
 
Border with WA opens tonight and with Vic on December 1. Also sounds like they will increase capacity at AO for the Test, potentially to a full house if CA and SMA get their way in the negotiations with the Government. Queensland just announced stadiums (open air) can have full capacity from next week.
 
Border with WA opens tonight and with Vic on December 1. Also sounds like they will increase capacity at AO for the Test, potentially to a full house if CA and SMA get their way in the negotiations with the Government. Queensland just announced stadiums (open air) can have full capacity from next week.

Everyone in the rest of the world must be thinking “how did they do that?”
 

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United Kingdom and Ireland/Northern Ireland are islands.

North America is only 3 countries - USA, Canada and Mexico.

Say Vietnam and Cambodia are virus free.

It comes done to leadership or lack there of.
Tunnel and Channel ferry system that kept on running, just about connect England to Europe, And They had Boris.
The USA is Connected to South America and the Flight from everywhere still kept arriving, Oh and they Had Trump.
And Vietnam is as close as you can get to war footing with China on the Border, And they did not Have Trump,

But Australia is an Island Help along with some good decisions,
 
Border with WA opens tonight and with Vic on December 1. Also sounds like they will increase capacity at AO for the Test, potentially to a full house if CA and SMA get their way in the negotiations with the Government. Queensland just announced stadiums (open air) can have full capacity from next week.
Full capacity stadiums but only 50 at your home up from 40. 😜 ****in bonkers.
 
Tunnel and Channel ferry system that kept on running, just about connect England to Europe, And They had Boris.
The USA is Connected to South America and the Flight from everywhere still kept arriving, Oh and they Had Trump.
And Vietnam is as close as you can get to war footing with China on the Border, And they did not Have Trump,

But Australia is an Island Help along with some good decisions,

I hate to sound like a broken record but back in February I said this is a health problem first and foremost and the economic issues can be dealt with once you get the health problem under control - like now in Aus and NZ.

The idea the economy is the no 1 priority is non-sensical if you don’t address the health problem. You will have this up and down yo yo approach and the economy will suffer - lockdowns like UK and now the big cities in the USA - New York and Chicago are imposing restrictions again. FMD!
 
I hate to sound like a broken record but back in February I said this is a health problem first and foremost and the economic issues can be dealt with once you get the health problem under control - like now in Aus and NZ.

The idea the economy is the no 1 priority is non-sensical if you don’t address the health problem. You will have this up and down yo yo approach and the economy will suffer - lockdowns like UK and now the big cities in the USA - New York and Chicago are imposing restrictions again. FMD!
Yea certainly highlights the difference between a leader and something else (being Polite)
 
No, they won't.

If 100 million people were injected with the drug in January 2021, by January 2022 you'd have plenty of data points for determining efficacy and safety in the first 12 months. You still wouldn't have a single data point at the 4-year mark (i.e. determining the longer term effects of the drug) until 2025 at the earliest.

Do not make the mistake of equating a multitude of short-term data, with an adequate volume of long-term testing. Long term testing, by definition, requires a long period of time.

The speed with which they have developed these vaccines and what I’ve heard is that they are modified versions of existing ones. They are a known quantity. I’m thinking that there is already a confidence that they won’t make you grow an extra testicle or give you cancer. The testing is for efficacy “does it actually work”. Nothing I’ve read or heard, except from a few here says anything about long term concerns.
Flu vaccines are different every year there’s no concerns about 5/10 years down the track with them either.
 
You do understand that inside a house with close relatives was the primary the cause of the Vic outbreaks. Outside is less risk than inside. Get with it.
Only if someone has it though which seems pretty unlikely now.
 
Border with WA opens tonight and with Vic on December 1. Also sounds like they will increase capacity at AO for the Test, potentially to a full house if CA and SMA get their way in the negotiations with the Government. Queensland just announced stadiums (open air) can have full capacity from next week.
Yet SA Health are still making it ridiculously difficult to hold small events.
 
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