Does it take too long for clubs to rebuild their lists?

[Freomaniac]

Sure - I guess the question is whether that price is disproportionately high.

The idea of priority picks in the past was that if you had teams who were down the bottom for long enough, they'd get more bites of the cherry at the draft. The implementation of this was flawed, as it appeared to incentivise tanking, but the objective wasn't bad.

As a humble eagles fan... Are you enjoying the eagles rebuild?

 

[Freomaniac]

I heard Leigh Matthews on this topic on 3AW. His take is that teams like Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong have benefited from trading in experienced players from other teams because these teams are perceived to still in the "premiership window". Struggling teams like Carlton have not really had that luxury and have had to rely on the Draft lottery. I say not really because bringing in castaways has not worked. That's why it is taking them so long to rebuild.

Now that Melbourne is an emerging team they have attracted a ready made player like Lever

have the hawks made finals from 2020-23?

 

[Freomaniac]

I bump this thread with North Melbourne in mind. It's going to take at least 4-5 years. Is that too long?

I bumped this thread because you are an eagles supporter? can you tolerate eagles not making finals for 4 or 5 or 6 years in a row?

Spuddigger , you here mate?

 

[EagleMan87]

How times change.

But sledging Fatso McRedAndBlackFacePaint aside, it doesn't take too long to rebuild their lists.

Dogs did OK in 2016 with a relatively new list. North's rebuild looks like taking three years (we're in year two) before we'd be looking at finals again.

Carlton and St Kilda and Melbourne have had all the possible help you can imagine - gifted multiple top end "priority picks". GIven massive AFL assistance right down to financing coaches.

No, stop tweaking the system.

Even when you try and equalizing everything possible, you can't actually MAKE teams good again.

This is fun to come back to.

 

[Sttew]

have the hawks made finals from 2020-23?

WOW! My post was 6 years ago! And you quote me quoting what Leigh Matthews said 6 years ago! 6 years!!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

North still have 4-5 years to go imo. Gonna be a long journey by the end of it

 

[ioppolo]

As a humble eagles fan... Are you enjoying the eagles rebuild?

Hasn't been seen since December 2021, don't think he's jumping back on to reply anytime soon.

 

[Freomaniac]

Hasn't been seen since December 2021, don't think he's jumping back on to reply anytime soon.

So.... Sweet Jesus and Spuddigger will return when the eagles are decent?

 

[Tandy]

Rebuild lol

 

[Freomaniac]

if you keep going to the draft year after year then your rebuild starts again every year. You want to get there quicker then trade for ready made footballers instead of lottery picks.
Hawthorn are the masters of this yet every club thinks they know better. Hawthorn couldn't care less about the draft, they had one poor transition season and what a surprise here they are again up and about. Full respect to how Hawthorn go about their business.

What about the hawks now?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

What about the hawks now?

They have bottom out, you reckon their fans care? 4 flags the last 15 years. You could not provide a worse example. They do it better than everyone the last couple decades.
What number build are you guys on now?

 

[Freomaniac]

They have bottom out, you reckon their fans care? 4 flags the last 15 years. You could not provide a worse example. They do it better than everyone the last couple decades.
What number build are you guys on now?

you really are taking the p*** out of that are you?

Well since you know fremantle dockers that much, go find out yourself.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I think we're seeing with North, WCE and to lesser extents Haw and Adel that if you're forced to do a cut to the bone rebuild stripping it back to the core then yes it takes too long.

North today don't look like a club that's hit rock bottom yet.
Genuinely look like they'll get worse before they improve from here.

 

[Outtatym]

should have been made to fold (North)

Freo? 7 finals wins in 30 years yeah? Jog on.

 

[Randomizor]

Freo? 7 finals wins in 30 years yeah? Jog on.

We’ve made a grand final this century at least

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Some good news for North supporters. Their $1.6m coach thinks they can be a decent side in 7 years.

 

[Joao]

Some good news for North supporters. Their $1.6m coach thinks they can be a decent side in 7 years.

Just 7 years until they can be 1-3 after round 4.

 

[Freomaniac]

That is brutal reading.

Reinforces my view that if you **** up your early picks at the draft on a regular basis as Carlton did during that period, the price paid is a heavy one

very true

 

[Freomaniac]

Well Look at Comparing the Hawks to North Melbourne.

Both were in the bottom 4 in 2020.

By 2024, Hawks made and won finals, North have finished bottom 2 for the 5th season in a row.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Interesting reading all of the media over the past few weeks and their scathing reviews of Richmond demanding certain draft picks from the Suns and Dockers for departing Tiger premiership stars.

I'm especially curious as to why they're getting so cranky about the bottom team trying to get a better deal for these players? They've said so repeatedly themselves - Richmond are no threat of a premiership tilt for at least 5 years.

Even non-Suns/Dockers supporters themselves are seemingly furious about them paying too much for incoming Richmond players, vouching for much better deals for these teams who might actually be a genuine threat over the next 2-3 years! Thus jeopardising their own team's chances!

 

[M Malice]

It can be done relatively quickly if you get the right people in place.

It took Chris Fagan, David Noble, Greg Swann and co 2 years to get us from an absolute rabble on field and off to 2nd on the H&A ladder in 2019 and being very competitive in finals from then on.

 

[Pistol Night]

It can be done relatively quickly if you get the right people in place.

It took Chris Fagan, David Noble, Greg Swann and co 2 years to get us from an absolute rabble on field and off to 2nd on the H&A ladder in 2019 and being very competitive in finals from then on.

Terrible to a flag in 5 years you say? Carlton and Essendon are intrigued

 

[Gethelred]

Terrible to a flag in 5 years you say? Carlton and Essendon are intrigued

Lol.

Brisbane began rebuilding well before 2019; 12th in 2013, 15th in 2014, 17th in 2015, 17th in 2016, 18th in 2017, 15th in 2018. Projecting their improvement over the five seasons between 2019-2024 is the kind of analysis that keeps people away from the main board.

 

[WilloTree]

It can be done relatively quickly if you get the right people in place.

It took Chris Fagan, David Noble, Greg Swann and co 2 years to get us from an absolute rabble on field and off to 2nd on the H&A ladder in 2019 and being very competitive in finals from then on.

It's easier for some clubs than others. Everyone here knows why.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Interesting reading all of the media over the past few weeks and their scathing reviews of Richmond demanding certain draft picks from the Suns and Dockers for departing Tiger premiership stars.

I'm especially curious as to why they're getting so cranky about the bottom team trying to get a better deal for these players? They've said so repeatedly themselves - Richmond are no threat of a premiership tilt for at least 5 years.

Even non-Suns/Dockers supporters themselves are seemingly furious about them paying too much for incoming Richmond players, vouching for much better deals for these teams who might actually be a genuine threat over the next 2-3 years! Thus jeopardising their own team's chances!

Media are media they will drum up stories to keep the click count ticking over, it’s usually a long way from reality.

West Coast, North & Richmond should be using the PSD to their advantage there is no way they should be wasting draft picks on uncontracted players when they are available on a bosman.