News Dons ASADA scandal (Latest: Pg 101 - CAS verdict. Guilty, 12 months.)

[JollyBallsUp]

Can you imagine what has to have happened, and what we have to discard, to believe this tale that Dank was running his own exclusive show with the players down at Essendon without Hird's knowledge?

We have to:

1/. Forget who bought Dank into the club
2/. Imagine Dank had a total free hand from the very beginning
3/. Forget that consent waivers were signed by players for the admission of Thymosin
4/. Imagine that Dank didn't advise Hird and relevant staff of the benefits of that supplement, and indeed what variant of Thymosin it was
5/. Imagine that Hird didn't bother to enquire himself into what specific version of Thymosin was being injected and the proposed benefits
6/. Believe that Hird wouldn't check in with Bruce Reid to make sure the supplements were WADA approved
7/. Forget that Dr Reid was physically excluded and kept out of the loop of the injection regime
8/. Forget Reid wrote a letter of protest over said exclusion to Paul Hamilton and Hird, with Hamilton mysteriously the only one to read it and not bothering to communicate it's contents to Hird, despite Hamilton being the GM of Football Operations
9/. Forget Hird texted Corcoran calling on his 'UN skills" to deflect Reid's above stated objections rather than investigate them
10/. That despite all the above, Dank should be allowed to run his crazy freakshow unfettered

Any way you dice it, whether by omission or commission, Hird is guilty. At best of grotesque and cavalier negligence, at worst of extremely cynical and sociological behaviour. Given his subsequent deportment since being charged I tend to the latter. Most of us, I dare say, would feel utterly ashamed and embarrassed about our role in such an operation. No such contrition for Hird it seems. Nutjob.

They all knew but no one did anything about it. Totally disgusting if you ask me, they lack morals, courage, and leadership.

 

[MoreMoore]

Bomber Thompson got off Lightly

Tell me it wasn't Bomber who brought in The Weapon and Dank and said don't worry James, this is what got us premierships at the cats.

 

[Sunbot]

Something that escaped my attention was Paul Hamilton cushy exit. In 2013 landed a good gig:
"Hamilton has just been appointed regional general manager of Central Victorian Football based in Bendigo, on what's believed to be a six-figure salary package."
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-10/clear-conscience
According to Hird, Hamilton should have been in the firing line. How did Hamilton end up with that appointment? Wonder whether Hird thinks the AFL (Vlad?) looked after Hamilton whilst they were throwing him under a bus? Could be a source of a very deep resentment and why he is so bitter about some things at AFL HQ.
You would think that the next step for Robbo/HUN would be to try and interview Hamilton. Wonder what he said to ASADA/AFL investigators at the time? Wonder if he is prepared to defend his name in public now that the CAS decision has been made? Would be interesting to see how different his version of the "truth" is from the rogue Robinson/Dank theory. What are the odds that he had a different view on the governance arrangements that had them reporting to him - could it be that something in EFC's culture/personalities prevented him from acting to stop the program? How much did he know? Was he in the thick of it or was he just listening to the feedback from the players and coaches on how well the program was going? Murky stuff still to be given the light of day methinks.

 

[left at home]

best thing dr reid gave evidence on behave of wada at the hearing which debunks what hird has to say

 

[Sunbot]

best thing dr reid gave evidence on behave of wada at the hearing which debunks what hird has to say

Yeah, don't tell the Doc don't tell ASADA - as if the players would go along with that unless the Coach supreme knew.

 

[TradeDraft]

best thing dr reid gave evidence on behave of wada at the hearing which debunks what hird has to say

So Reid got off light because he gave the Info to WADA?

 

[left at home]

So Reid got off light because he gave the Info to WADA?

no l did not say that. his evidence in the end helped convict the players. and helped us under stand more of what went wrong there

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Ah Popin
There is nobody but nobody who does great photography like you, no tricks, no photo shop, just giving it to us straight, like Hirds needle.

Great work Sir, you have out done yourself

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Puregold from our legend td

Great stuff

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Herald Sun if you support Essendon
The Age if you hate Essendon
Twitter if you're angry and want to take it out on something ... anything.

Spoiler: Spoiler

I just read Chip Le Grande's book and that's about the only thing I've read in the whole saga with the appearance of impartiality

Chip I think had tried to have a chip on each shoulder, evenly balanced

(Jokes aside, that seems to be the way he's approached it)

 

[Saintly Viewed]

One of this sagas incredible outcomes is
The incredible fall from grace of how Hird's reputation was at the end of his playing career to now. Whether you think he's dreadful now, five years back many thought the sun rose out of robbo's cubby house.
Not that many people have such huge swings.

Others to have a massive fall from grace;

Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong (though he was known to be taciturn, still the whole cancer thing etc), James Hird

That's some company

 

[TradeDraft]

no l did not say that. his evidence in the end helped convict the players. and helped us under stand more of what went wrong there

He be just about only one at Essendon and AFL to help WADA

 

[left at home]

He be just about only one at Essendon and AFL to help WADA

probably had too once called to give evidence for number of reasons l suppose

 

[left at home]

One of this sagas incredible outcomes is
The incredible fall from grace of how Hird's reputation was at the end of his playing career to now. Whether you think he's dreadful now, five years back many thought the sun rose out of robbo's cubby house.
Not that many people have such huge swings.

Others to have a massive fall from grace;

Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong (though he was known to be taciturn, still the whole cancer thing etc), James Hird

That's some company

it's pretty good company although tiger wasn't because of performance based drugs systematic cheating like lance armstrong

 

[Saintly Viewed]

it's pretty good company although tiger wasn't because of performance based drugs systematic cheating like lance armstrong

All true.

Apparently Tger Woods loves Christmas, loves Santa, loves to sit on his knee.
Santa says : ho ho ho
Tiger: where where where?

(Think about it)

 

[TradeDraft]

probably had too once called to give evidence for number of reasons l suppose

I doubt Hird, Admin, Footy Department and Players would of given much Info to Investigators

 

[Bloben]

Just read part 2 of the Hird/Robbo propaganda bollocks and er mer gerd I want to break my own phone for displaying that.

He tried to apologise but in the same paragraph blamed it on the others that broke his trust and if he had his time again he wouldn't be as trusting.

I would love someone to put this article up and overlay it with the text messages from Hird that were published a few years ago about how he knew all about the dodgy shit going on and needing UN skills to talk down Dr Reid.

Jesus I can't believe this guys freakin ego to try and come out of a shit fight he started smelling like roses because he is James ****ing Hird

 

[Anzacday]

What a bunch of pricks...

The parents of former Essendon player Hal Hunter are "appalled" that the AFL and Essendon are pursuing court costs against their son after he took legal action arising from the disastrous 2012 injection program.

James Hunter and Dr Melita Stevens say that the AFL and Essendon's "combative" approach to their son's situation contradicts the statements this week from AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and Essendon's new chairman Lindsay Tanner about the importance of player welfare in the Essendon scandal.

Hunter and Dr Stevens are "deeply disappointed and upset" that the AFL and the club "chose to resist Hal's efforts to find out what he was injected with" in 2012 after 15 months of requests.

The parents of the player — who has taken court action in an attempt to discover what he was injected with — say the situation has taken a toll on their son and that they have "real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being" not only because of what happened in his time at Essendon, but due to the obstructive stance the AFL and the club have taken in his case more recently.

Hunter and Dr Stevens noted that their son Hal was the youngest player at Essendon in 2012 — he was 18 when he arrived as a rookie-list player late in 2011. "Hal was part of the injection program from early 2012 and he received injections both at the club and offsite," the parents told Fairfax Media, in a joint statement.

"Since leaving the club at the end of 2013 and after 15 months of requests, Hal still does not know what the injections contained. Melita and I are appalled that not only are the club and AFL now pursuing costs against Hal but that he is having to go back to court again simply to get documents from the AFL." The Supreme Court ordered the AFL to hand Hal Hunter further documents from the supplements program, while the court accepted the Essendon lawyers' explanation that the records the club had given Hunter were the only ones available.

The lawyers acting for the AFL requested that Hunter pay the AFL's and Essendon's court costs — a stance that Essendon's lawyers have since supported.

Hunter did not receive an infraction notice — likely because he did not sign a consent form for the relevant substance — and thus avoided the year-long suspensions, but he is no longer playing football. Thirty-four current and ex-Essendon players received season bans for doping offences on Tuesday.

His court action was based upon the uncertainty about what he might have been injected with and the repercussions for his health.

Hunter is waiting on the arrival of AFL documents, as ordered by Justice Mukhtar, before considering his next move. Hunter and his parents urged the AFL and the club to meet with them and bring the matter to a conclusion.

Hunter and Dr Stevens said the approach by the club and the AFL was "totally at odds" with Tuesday's statements by Tanner and Fitzpatrick.

"Instead what we have seen from the club and AFL has been a combative stance resisting Hal at every turn. Documents have been released in dribs and drabs and at the very last moment, there have been ongoing delays, argument and of course mounting costs ...

"While we as a family and those close to him have tried to support Hal in this process, it has taken a huge toll on him. We have real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being as a result of not only what happened at the club but the approach the club and AFL have taken to Hal's case since ...

"Hal should be given as much detail as possible in order for him to address the implications of the injection program at the club and, to allow him to get on with his life."

The Supreme Court is yet to make a ruling on costs.

The AFL would not comment on its decision to seek legal costs, but a spokesperson said: "The AFL has done whatever in our power to find out what the players were given in 2012. We have seized documents and hard drives, we have interviewed all relevant people who were willing to cooperate, we have analysed phone messages, and sought assistance from the anti-doping authorities.

"We are in the same position as the players that we are unable to identify many of the substances used in the program in 2012, or determine which player received which substance. We are concerned for the players and are talking with the players' association about welfare and support going forward."

Essendon declined to comment.



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essend...hal-hunter-20160115-gm6l85.html#ixzz3xJPW9Qze

 

[PicaBoo]

What a bunch of pricks...

The parents of former Essendon player Hal Hunter are "appalled" that the AFL and Essendon are pursuing court costs against their son after he took legal action arising from the disastrous 2012 injection program.

James Hunter and Dr Melita Stevens say that the AFL and Essendon's "combative" approach to their son's situation contradicts the statements this week from AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and Essendon's new chairman Lindsay Tanner about the importance of player welfare in the Essendon scandal.

Hunter and Dr Stevens are "deeply disappointed and upset" that the AFL and the club "chose to resist Hal's efforts to find out what he was injected with" in 2012 after 15 months of requests.

The parents of the player — who has taken court action in an attempt to discover what he was injected with — say the situation has taken a toll on their son and that they have "real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being" not only because of what happened in his time at Essendon, but due to the obstructive stance the AFL and the club have taken in his case more recently.

Hunter and Dr Stevens noted that their son Hal was the youngest player at Essendon in 2012 — he was 18 when he arrived as a rookie-list player late in 2011. "Hal was part of the injection program from early 2012 and he received injections both at the club and offsite," the parents told Fairfax Media, in a joint statement.

"Since leaving the club at the end of 2013 and after 15 months of requests, Hal still does not know what the injections contained. Melita and I are appalled that not only are the club and AFL now pursuing costs against Hal but that he is having to go back to court again simply to get documents from the AFL." The Supreme Court ordered the AFL to hand Hal Hunter further documents from the supplements program, while the court accepted the Essendon lawyers' explanation that the records the club had given Hunter were the only ones available.

The lawyers acting for the AFL requested that Hunter pay the AFL's and Essendon's court costs — a stance that Essendon's lawyers have since supported.

Hunter did not receive an infraction notice — likely because he did not sign a consent form for the relevant substance — and thus avoided the year-long suspensions, but he is no longer playing football. Thirty-four current and ex-Essendon players received season bans for doping offences on Tuesday.

His court action was based upon the uncertainty about what he might have been injected with and the repercussions for his health.

Hunter is waiting on the arrival of AFL documents, as ordered by Justice Mukhtar, before considering his next move. Hunter and his parents urged the AFL and the club to meet with them and bring the matter to a conclusion.

Hunter and Dr Stevens said the approach by the club and the AFL was "totally at odds" with Tuesday's statements by Tanner and Fitzpatrick.

"Instead what we have seen from the club and AFL has been a combative stance resisting Hal at every turn. Documents have been released in dribs and drabs and at the very last moment, there have been ongoing delays, argument and of course mounting costs ...

"While we as a family and those close to him have tried to support Hal in this process, it has taken a huge toll on him. We have real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being as a result of not only what happened at the club but the approach the club and AFL have taken to Hal's case since ...

"Hal should be given as much detail as possible in order for him to address the implications of the injection program at the club and, to allow him to get on with his life."

The Supreme Court is yet to make a ruling on costs.

The AFL would not comment on its decision to seek legal costs, but a spokesperson said: "The AFL has done whatever in our power to find out what the players were given in 2012. We have seized documents and hard drives, we have interviewed all relevant people who were willing to cooperate, we have analysed phone messages, and sought assistance from the anti-doping authorities.

"We are in the same position as the players that we are unable to identify many of the substances used in the program in 2012, or determine which player received which substance. We are concerned for the players and are talking with the players' association about welfare and support going forward."

Essendon declined to comment.



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essend...hal-hunter-20160115-gm6l85.html#ixzz3xJPW9Qze

Yeah when I read that, penny wise, pound foolish. Faced with tens of millions in lawsuits, a public image of incompetent management only bettered by the Windies cricket administration and they manage to destroy the last ounce of goodwill by retrieving legal costs from an individual demanding what the f*** had been going on. And that is the level of morals we can expect once we get into the legal arena

 

[TradeDraft]

What a bunch of pricks...

The parents of former Essendon player Hal Hunter are "appalled" that the AFL and Essendon are pursuing court costs against their son after he took legal action arising from the disastrous 2012 injection program.

James Hunter and Dr Melita Stevens say that the AFL and Essendon's "combative" approach to their son's situation contradicts the statements this week from AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and Essendon's new chairman Lindsay Tanner about the importance of player welfare in the Essendon scandal.

Hunter and Dr Stevens are "deeply disappointed and upset" that the AFL and the club "chose to resist Hal's efforts to find out what he was injected with" in 2012 after 15 months of requests.

The parents of the player — who has taken court action in an attempt to discover what he was injected with — say the situation has taken a toll on their son and that they have "real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being" not only because of what happened in his time at Essendon, but due to the obstructive stance the AFL and the club have taken in his case more recently.

Hunter and Dr Stevens noted that their son Hal was the youngest player at Essendon in 2012 — he was 18 when he arrived as a rookie-list player late in 2011. "Hal was part of the injection program from early 2012 and he received injections both at the club and offsite," the parents told Fairfax Media, in a joint statement.

"Since leaving the club at the end of 2013 and after 15 months of requests, Hal still does not know what the injections contained. Melita and I are appalled that not only are the club and AFL now pursuing costs against Hal but that he is having to go back to court again simply to get documents from the AFL." The Supreme Court ordered the AFL to hand Hal Hunter further documents from the supplements program, while the court accepted the Essendon lawyers' explanation that the records the club had given Hunter were the only ones available.

The lawyers acting for the AFL requested that Hunter pay the AFL's and Essendon's court costs — a stance that Essendon's lawyers have since supported.

Hunter did not receive an infraction notice — likely because he did not sign a consent form for the relevant substance — and thus avoided the year-long suspensions, but he is no longer playing football. Thirty-four current and ex-Essendon players received season bans for doping offences on Tuesday.

His court action was based upon the uncertainty about what he might have been injected with and the repercussions for his health.

Hunter is waiting on the arrival of AFL documents, as ordered by Justice Mukhtar, before considering his next move. Hunter and his parents urged the AFL and the club to meet with them and bring the matter to a conclusion.

Hunter and Dr Stevens said the approach by the club and the AFL was "totally at odds" with Tuesday's statements by Tanner and Fitzpatrick.

"Instead what we have seen from the club and AFL has been a combative stance resisting Hal at every turn. Documents have been released in dribs and drabs and at the very last moment, there have been ongoing delays, argument and of course mounting costs ...

"While we as a family and those close to him have tried to support Hal in this process, it has taken a huge toll on him. We have real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being as a result of not only what happened at the club but the approach the club and AFL have taken to Hal's case since ...

"Hal should be given as much detail as possible in order for him to address the implications of the injection program at the club and, to allow him to get on with his life."

The Supreme Court is yet to make a ruling on costs.

The AFL would not comment on its decision to seek legal costs, but a spokesperson said: "The AFL has done whatever in our power to find out what the players were given in 2012. We have seized documents and hard drives, we have interviewed all relevant people who were willing to cooperate, we have analysed phone messages, and sought assistance from the anti-doping authorities.

"We are in the same position as the players that we are unable to identify many of the substances used in the program in 2012, or determine which player received which substance. We are concerned for the players and are talking with the players' association about welfare and support going forward."

Essendon declined to comment.



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essend...hal-hunter-20160115-gm6l85.html#ixzz3xJPW9Qze

Shows how F**ked up this thing was.

Hird and Co did not care about there Players. They where just thinking how can we win game Any Way Possible

 

[1892]

"Hal was part of the injection program from early 2012 and he received injections both at the club and offsite," the parents told Fairfax Media, in a joint statement.

Hunter did not receive an infraction notice — likely because he did not sign a consent form for the relevant substance — and thus avoided the year-long suspensions

Makes you wonder how many other Essendon players were jabbed, but escaped asada/wada sanctions. Could some 2016 players be in this position?

 

[TradeDraft]

Makes you wonder how many other Essendon players were jabbed, but escaped asada/wada sanctions. Could some 2016 players be in this position?

I am not saying this is True. But Danhier was spending time at Essendon in his Draft Year and I just thought did he get a Few Jabs?

 

[Bard]

Makes you wonder how many other Essendon players were jabbed, but escaped asada/wada sanctions. Could some 2016 players be in this position?

Why the shit is he getting jabbed if he didn't sign a consent form? WTF is this? Surely this is a criminal offence?

 

[1892]

I am not saying this is True. But Danhier was spending time at Essendon in his Draft Year and I just thought did he get a Few Jabs?

Haven't heard that one, but doping someone not even on your list would be incredibly crazy, if true it would have to be a world first.

 

[rand corp]

I find this absolutely disgraceful and despite the crisis PR campaign that constantly spouted the players welfare I can see no evidence at all from anyone involved that they have had anything but their own interests front and center and hung the players out to try. I do not absolve the players of any culpability but they were no doubt pressured into the program with zero consideration given to them at any step of the way. It was ALL about Hirdy winning for mine.

What a bunch of pricks...

The parents of former Essendon player Hal Hunter are "appalled" that the AFL and Essendon are pursuing court costs against their son after he took legal action arising from the disastrous 2012 injection program.

James Hunter and Dr Melita Stevens say that the AFL and Essendon's "combative" approach to their son's situation contradicts the statements this week from AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and Essendon's new chairman Lindsay Tanner about the importance of player welfare in the Essendon scandal.

Hunter and Dr Stevens are "deeply disappointed and upset" that the AFL and the club "chose to resist Hal's efforts to find out what he was injected with" in 2012 after 15 months of requests.

The parents of the player — who has taken court action in an attempt to discover what he was injected with — say the situation has taken a toll on their son and that they have "real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being" not only because of what happened in his time at Essendon, but due to the obstructive stance the AFL and the club have taken in his case more recently.

Hunter and Dr Stevens noted that their son Hal was the youngest player at Essendon in 2012 — he was 18 when he arrived as a rookie-list player late in 2011. "Hal was part of the injection program from early 2012 and he received injections both at the club and offsite," the parents told Fairfax Media, in a joint statement.

"Since leaving the club at the end of 2013 and after 15 months of requests, Hal still does not know what the injections contained. Melita and I are appalled that not only are the club and AFL now pursuing costs against Hal but that he is having to go back to court again simply to get documents from the AFL." The Supreme Court ordered the AFL to hand Hal Hunter further documents from the supplements program, while the court accepted the Essendon lawyers' explanation that the records the club had given Hunter were the only ones available.

The lawyers acting for the AFL requested that Hunter pay the AFL's and Essendon's court costs — a stance that Essendon's lawyers have since supported.

Hunter did not receive an infraction notice — likely because he did not sign a consent form for the relevant substance — and thus avoided the year-long suspensions, but he is no longer playing football. Thirty-four current and ex-Essendon players received season bans for doping offences on Tuesday.

His court action was based upon the uncertainty about what he might have been injected with and the repercussions for his health.

Hunter is waiting on the arrival of AFL documents, as ordered by Justice Mukhtar, before considering his next move. Hunter and his parents urged the AFL and the club to meet with them and bring the matter to a conclusion.

Hunter and Dr Stevens said the approach by the club and the AFL was "totally at odds" with Tuesday's statements by Tanner and Fitzpatrick.

"Instead what we have seen from the club and AFL has been a combative stance resisting Hal at every turn. Documents have been released in dribs and drabs and at the very last moment, there have been ongoing delays, argument and of course mounting costs ...

"While we as a family and those close to him have tried to support Hal in this process, it has taken a huge toll on him. We have real concerns for his ongoing physical and mental well-being as a result of not only what happened at the club but the approach the club and AFL have taken to Hal's case since ...

"Hal should be given as much detail as possible in order for him to address the implications of the injection program at the club and, to allow him to get on with his life."

The Supreme Court is yet to make a ruling on costs.

The AFL would not comment on its decision to seek legal costs, but a spokesperson said: "The AFL has done whatever in our power to find out what the players were given in 2012. We have seized documents and hard drives, we have interviewed all relevant people who were willing to cooperate, we have analysed phone messages, and sought assistance from the anti-doping authorities.

"We are in the same position as the players that we are unable to identify many of the substances used in the program in 2012, or determine which player received which substance. We are concerned for the players and are talking with the players' association about welfare and support going forward."

Essendon declined to comment.



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