Autopsy Eagles Def Freo by 30 points

[ydraw]

He's getting games as our no 1 forward for the last 2 weeks.

Done nothing to earn those games though. He's not a #1 forward. He's a small forward who can't run or tackle.

Last time he took a contested mark was May 27.

Also his direct opponent won the medal today, you're quite brilliant Shane.

 

[Freeeoo]

Duggan's consistency and Nelson's effort a major positive I would have thought. Nelson screams midfielder to me, I dunno if anyone else sees that or i'm just out to lunch.

No one on this board gives a shit.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

No one on this board gives a shit.

Feel free to ignore whatever you don't like, like I will with you.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Well I hope you're right, just doesn't seem to have an ounce of footy smarts about him.

He'll be right.
Learning the hard way against good forwards with a lot more experience.
Hughes continues his improvement today, Logie will be the same

 

[Freomaniac]

anyone got the stats on both teams age wise?

 

[Outshined]

So, from my position at the ground...

As always, we lost this in our forward line. We controlled the game for large parts, but time and time again we coughed up scoring opportunities to Hurn or McGovern. It's a horrific combination or rushed entries and poor kicking. We also had a few golden opportunities for a player running into the 50 to hit a man leading up, but for some strange reason we insisted on playing a completely ineffective version of Pagan's paddock, trying to kick to a forward running back towards goal, which WC's spare man inevitably cleaned up. The goals we did score weren't pure, but were the result of a ridiculous amount of toil. Today's ball use inside the 50 didn't help, but there's a systematic failure with our forward line that desperately needs to be addressed. We really struggle to create space for players to lead into. From what I saw, I doubt Taberner would help much because we refuse to hit a leading key forward or even kick to the advantage of our talls if they are forced into a one-on-one.

Our midfield isn't an issue. They worked tirelessly to move the ball forward, often pretty effectively until we hit the arc. The inside work of Neale, Fyfe and Blakely is complemented pretty well with the likes of Weller and the Hills. Give them something viable to kick to and we'll have no trouble scoring. The statistics tell the story of the midfield battle. Our backs broke even today and probably did as well as they could given the circumstances. Logue was good, not sure why people are doubting him. There was a passage of play where he left his direct opponent and made a mad dash to split a contest and make sure we didn't get burnt by the loose man over the top, it was excellent to see. Ryan is impressive and Hamling is a good cornerstone.

The forwards we have are decent. Kersten cops a lot on here but he worked damn hard today against a much bigger opponent and constantly competed to bring the ball to ground. He's not a problem in my book. As I said earlier, I don't necessarily think bringing in another tall with fix our issues as we love to kick to a disadvantage, but we need to at least give Cox and Kersten a shot at taking on someone a bit more their size. With Cox in particular, I can see what people like, he's smooth. Croz was alright, not one of his better games but again it's hard to judge our forwards when they're trying to play in a dysfunctional system. Ballantyne is a worry, think he's slipping off a cliff tbh.

Also, West Coast should be worried. They're nothing special with an age profile that suggests they should be contending. They huffed and puffed and finally put us away with some straight kicking, but they're going to fall very, very short against the better teams. Still, good on them for winning the derby.

 

[imperial_oz]

Done nothing to earn those games though. He's not a #1 forward. He's a small forward who can't run or tackle.

Last time he took a contested mark was May 27.

Also his direct opponent won the medal today, you're quite brilliant Shane.

I've been asking for a while why he gets games when he is our lowest performing forward. Today just adds further emphasis to that question

 

[awaremind]

I reckon Logie and Crozier were two of the positives today. Even Brad Hill butchered it, but those two soldiered on well.

 

[freo84]

I have never been so frustrated watching a game of footy. When we were down by 24 points all I could say was 'We've been the better team'. But we weren't better where it mattered.

I'm really hoping we see a shift in the way we deliver inside 50 because the loopy high ball kicks don't work. 44 entries and 40 of them were horrid bombs to no ones advantage.

However I was encouraged by our younglings and Fyfe is looking like he is finding his touch.

We know where we're at and will be better next season. Hopefully the new wider ground will make our already fast mids look quicker and we will be able to transition the ball better.

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[TheMcManusNose]

He'll be right.
Learning the hard way against good forwards with a lot more experience.
Hughes continues his improvement today, Logie will be the same

That's my thought too. Hughes I didn't rate early for the same reason - looked like he had the physical gifts but no idea what he was doing. I think i'll be wrong there, and hopefully more exposure for Logue equals more understanding.

 

[ydraw]

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The forwards we have are decent. Kersten cops a lot on here but he worked damn hard today against a much bigger opponent and constantly competed to bring the ball to ground. He's not a problem in my book.

Kersten is utter dog shit. Didn't halve a marking contest all day.

He hasn't taken a contested mark since may 27 and when the ball hits the ground he's as slow as someone who's 6'6. He's the worst of both worlds. A slow, lumbering player who can't take a mark.

Utter waste of time.

 

[Freomaniac]

Well I hope you're right, just doesn't seem to have an ounce of footy smarts about him.

the man has some talent no doubt. I am still trying to think hats the best position o the ground for him. He can be a half back flanker. He wasn't too bad with his set shots either. He could end up as another david mundy. Not that its a bad thing either.

 

[frenchconnection]

Well that was frustrating.

We butchered that game by some shocking disposal. It was D grade stuff. I saw better kicks and skills last night on the ground in the kick to kick by 12 year olds after the game at spotless stadium.

Even the goals we kicked we made hard work of.

In saying that the effort and desire was there and we really outplayed west coast everywhere but the scoreboard. And sometimes you have to take a deep breath and look at the long term picture.

West coast are in no mans land. They aren't winning the premiership and they are kidding themselves if they think they can.

I think we are closer to a premiership then what west coast are. I reckon we will knock them off in the 1st derby next year as we keep our steady growth and get another 12 months into this group.

Most at West Coast are well aware where they are at (maybe with the exception of the coaches and MC) and unless the Eagles start blooding a few youngsters they aren't going anywhere. Our hands have been tied a bit though as some of our best up & coming youngsters have been out injured a fair whack of the season). Anyway in conclusion you had the midfield and backline with not much up forward, and we had the forward line & backline but poor midfield. Anyway you guys are on the right track.

 

[gaskin]

I haven't read the thread but I am betting there is a lot of shots fired at the forward line. I'm not going there as even Kennedy and Buddy wouldn't have done anything with our entries today. I am baffled as to how AFL players can keep missing simple 20-30m passes to a leading forward.

Kick straight and we win though. That pisses me off the most.

 

[Rob]

Today had the feel of us when Lyon first arrived. Head scratchingly bizarre football at times.

Bizarre isn't the right word. I could see exactly what we were trying to do, we just didn't have the skills to carry it out. You can see why the Eagles are easy pickings for any half decent side, everyone's worked them out. You just hit short targets and when you kick long you make sure you clear the zone. But you need a reasonable skill level to do that and we just don't have it. Despite that, we still had our chances to score, but we screwed that up too.

Shit, that's the word I was looking for. It was shit football.

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

 

[ydraw]

lol

 

[Kram]

Something else on the radio about Logue - but they were suggesting that he tries to take the ball clean each time when defending, when he needs to learn the McPharlin art of putting some body work in there to shift the forward. Subtle changes - he has the strength and just needs to learn a few tricks.

He actually did a nicely timed bump on Darling once today just before the ball arrived to the contest.

 

[schnoods]

We had no focal point up forward. Our inaccuracy had alot to do with poor options up forward and being undersized. Kicking into space got picked off by a loose man or the sweeper.

Tabener should have played. Crumbing small forwards and goal sneaks need to feed off bigger fish. Walters normally does well but he is a freak and the eagles did their homework.

We need to hire a specialist forward line and kicking coach. It is so fustrating seeing forwards at other clubs get chest marks on the lead laces out and our strategy is bomb it high and maybe Fyfe can mark it. Leading to create space, dummy leads, cutting angles. Most WAFL clubs do it better so it might be time to clean out the coaching deadwood and we might have a legitimate chance of kicking a winning score and relieving our backline of constant pressure as the ball rebounds back as our forward line falter.

Wield the axe. It's not a knee jerk reaction, just don't gift games on nostalgia or high salary, play form players and send the rest back to get the hunger back.

 

[Cobbler]

I'm patient and willing to give Lyon the opportunity to develop not just the squad but the strategy.

I remember some absolutely cringeworthy defensive games when he first started. I mean we did win some of those, but I applaud him for trying something with what we have.

If we're banking on a small forward set up it also helps explain why Taberner didn't play. I mean every man and his dog should've seen the worth in Taberner playing today, but perhaps he's identified a best 22-30 players and is going to focus on that. Who actually knows, but again it's what I have to believe.

Taberner ain't no world beater, but he certainly deserves a call up in a position I feel we are desperate to fill.

Young Darcy could also do with some help, no point burning him out early in his career.

 

[Lach72]

Bizarre isn't the right word. I could see exactly what we were trying to do, we just didn't have the skills to carry it out. You can see why the Eagles are easy pickings for any half decent side, everyone's worked them out. You just hit short targets and when you kick long you make sure you clear the zone. But you need a reasonable skill level to do that and we just don't have it. Despite that, we still had our chances to score, but we screwed that up too.

Shit, that's the word I was looking for. It was shit football.

Kind of what Lyon was saying in the presser

Was actually complimenting the forwards and criticising the linkages between mids etc.

I'd love to see down the ground vision


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[Nightrain]

Logue is going backwards at a rate of knots. He is becoming a player that is happy when the ball doesn't come to him or in his vicinity. Shits himself when the ball is 5 metres in his vicinity. Has no clue where to position himself. At this rate he will be Dawson without the ability to shut down or defend. Needs some serious one on one development ASAP.

Brad Hill cost us the game today. 4 goals he should have had could have kept us in it and made a game of it.

Connor Blakely stand out for us.

 

[Outshined]

Kersten is utter dog shit. Didn't halve a marking contest all day.

He hasn't taken a contested mark since may 27 and when the ball hits the ground he's as slow as someone who's 6'6. He's the worst of both worlds. A slow, lumbering player who can't take a mark.

Utter waste of time.

I'm not sure how you can constantly demand that we bring Taberner in to compete with the opposition's number 1 key defender and then at the same time summarily write a third tall off as dog shit when he's asked to do the same thing.

Is it really that much of a shock to you that Kersten struggles to take a constested mark against Will Schofield?

 

[Rob]

Logue is going backwards at a rate of knots. He is becoming a player that is happy when the ball doesn't come to him or in his vicinity. Shits himself when the ball is 5 metres in his vicinity. Has no clue where to position himself. At this rate he will be Dawson without the ability to shut down or defend. Needs some serious one on one development ASAP.

Nah, Logue had a crack. Turned it over by hand too much and if he could hold a mark or 2 that would be good. But IMO there's enough there to work with. He's prepared to take the game on when he needs to.

 

[Rob]

I'm not sure how you can constantly demand that we bring Taberner in to compete with the opposition's number 1 key defender and then at the same time summarily write a third tall off as dog shit when he's asked to do the same thing.

Is it really that much of a shock to you that Kersten struggles to take a constested mark against Will Schofield?

Dude, Kersten has struggled to take a contested mark all year. Doesn't matter whether he's the first, second or third tall. He's played it all and done nothing.

His immediate future is as a third tall. That's it. If we don't need that role then he can spud it up for Peel.