Essendon sign Mal Michael

[ant555]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

I seriously hope they do bring legal action into this (The Brisbane Lions) Because in my opinion Mal Micheal has been nothing but sneeky about this whole thing. All he had to do was tell the Lions that he no longer wanted to be a Lion and they could have got something in return for him or traded him instead he goes and does this I hope they sue the pants off of him.

He did ask to be traded at one stage and the Lions refused. As for taking legal action i dont think it would be wise for the Lions to waste the money. Exactly how are you going to prove any wrong doing? None of us can say for sure exactly what has happened. Their is simply no way to prove any wrong doing as it would come down to Micheal's evidence. if he says he changed his mind after having 3 or 4 weeks to think about it how is he going to convicted of anything?

 

[itsintheblood]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

All this proves why no club wants to deal with the bummbers at trade time.

 

[BERT]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

So can we go to Brisbane and ask them to pay some of his contract seeing as he was still under contract with the Bears.

 

[*Danni*]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

I seriously hope they do bring legal action into this (The Brisbane Lions) Because in my opinion Mal Micheal has been nothing but sneeky about this whole thing. All he had to do was tell the Lions that he no longer wanted to be a Lion and they could have got something in return for him or traded him instead he goes and does this I hope they sue the pants off of him.

You're assuming that was Michael's intent. And personally I don't think it was.

Contracts don't mean you own the person. You have a contract to utilise their talent. Have you never made a hard decision about something, then later think you've made the wrong one? Part and parcel of being an AFL Footballers is the game running in their blood. Showing up to train and play and all the public attention and committments that go with it are not like rocking up to work and sitting at a desk all day. It's part of who you are.

When you make the choice to walk away from it, you have to be ready to do it. It's not just about leaving your club. It's about leaving the game you love. It's so easy to understand that with a little time and distance, you may come to realise you haven't made the right decision.

That said, I don't think that you should be able to just stick up you hand when you realise this and end up at another club.

The trade period is already there for those that want to go elsewhere but dont' want to give up footy.

Uncontracted players that change their mind have the PSD.

But contracted players who make the choice to retire? Yes they should be able to go back to their own club and play out their contract, but go to a different club? I'm not sure on that one at all.

 

[_RT_]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Who he is has nothing to do with it.

He is a valuable tradeable commodity who despite having a contract with his existing club, is going to break the draft rules by entering the preseason draft.

How is he breaking the draft rules. He approached the Lions and asked for a modified program, they refused. He had talks with Matthews and said he could not give full commitment to the Lions in that case. The Lions chose to delist him deciding that getting a player who has full commitment is better than 50%. Once a club delists a player then he is fair game ot any club that decides to draft them. Brisbane made their choice and now have to live with it.

If the Bombers are prepared to let him train on a schedule for him to do his work for his foundation then good luck to them. The proof as to whether it was a good decision them or not will be if he plays to his best like 2001-2004.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

I seriously hope they do bring legal action into this (The Brisbane Lions) Because in my opinion Mal Micheal has been nothing but sneeky about this whole thing. All he had to do was tell the Lions that he no longer wanted to be a Lion and they could have got something in return for him or traded him instead he goes and does this I hope they sue the pants off of him.

sue him? For what? Seriously, you're a mental midget if you think they can sue him.

Try and think it through, I know it hurts. Brisbane released him from his contract, after they refused to modify his role and refused to trade him. Hence, there is no legal relationship between them.

Ergo, they can't sue. You follow?

 

[Corpuscles]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Essendon might be the innocent & fortunate party in all this.
But if Brisbane and/or the AFL is not completely happy about it and honest and transparent prior consultation with all parties has not taken place then, it is potentially a disaster for the draft process which is a key factor of the AFL comp.

IMO, if player is under contract, elects to retire and accordingly is subsequently delisted, then he must stay out of the comp for the duration of the previously contracted period, alternately PLAYERS MAKE UP THEIR MINDS prior to the draft deadlines!

Why all the rush to sign at 2pm on a friday..... just retire and pick and choose after that!

Can't wait for Blabbermouths book

 

[Longy413]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

And how would you know that? Since when do people believe stuff that's written in the papers?

It's blatant draft tampering as Brisbane only got rid of the last year of his contract thinking that he'd never pull on another AFL jumper again.

Is it really that hard to follow?

Carlton have a pick before us, there were other players unsigned. There were more attractive targets.

Common sense?

 

[ant555]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

And how would you know that? Since when do people believe stuff that's written in the papers?

It's blatant draft tampering as Brisbane only got rid of the last year of his contract thinking that he'd never pull on another AFL jumper again.

And how do you know!!!!
You dont know either. No one does. It is all specualtion one way or another.You cant come out and say that what is written is wrong becasue in your "uninformed opinion" it is draft tampering.

 

[still chasing amy]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Who he is has nothing to do with it.

He is a valuable tradeable commodity who despite having a contract with his existing club, is going to break the draft rules by entering the preseason draft.

This is incorrect. Both parties agreed to not continue with his final year. How would Brisbane go with their salary cap if he was included in it?

 

[The Kipster]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

It just proves you a leopard doesn't change its spots - bummers will always cheat at every opportunity and when it comes crashing down they love to plead ignorant (much like Wet Toasts supporters) it is not good for football and I hope MM does a fet lock straight up and spends half his year on a training bike on the sidelines....just like plugger when he came out of retirement...

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

But contracted players who make the choice to retire? Yes they should be able to go back to their own club and play out their contract, but go to a different club? I'm not sure on that one at all.

I think that's a pretty intelligent comment. Maybe something the AFL will look at.

But in the same way Essendon missed out on a priorty pick at No. 3 this year because the rules changed, this deal is above board and legal. Maybe next year it might not be possible

 

[*Danni*]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

IMO, if player is under contract, elects to retire and accordingly is subsequently delisted, then he must stay out of the comp for the duration of the previously contracted period, alternately PLAYERS MAKE UP THEIR MINDS prior to the draft deadlines!

Or have the option of negotiating with their previously contracted club to play out that contract if they've changed their mind. THEN if the club says no, maybe have the option of going into the PSD.

That withstanding, I agree with what you have said.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

It just proves you a leopard doesn't change its spots - bummers will always cheat at every opportunity and when it comes crashing down they love to plead ignorant (much like Wet Toasts supporters) it is not good for football and I hope MM does a fet lock straight up and spends half his year on a training bike on the sidelines....just like plugger when he came out of retirement...

tissue?

 

[Philhawk]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Is it really that hard to follow?

Carlton have a pick before us, there were other players unsigned. There were more attractive targets.

Common sense?

Well, whilst we're on that topic, it seems like basic common sense that Carlton have already made a commitment to signing Cain Ackland and I very much doubt that they'll be re-neging on that 'deal'.

Funny how these kind of things come to light at convenient times.

 

[ant555]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

It just proves you a leopard doesn't change its spots - bummers will always cheat at every opportunity and when it comes crashing down they love to plead ignorant (much like Wet Toasts supporters) it is not good for football and I hope MM does a fet lock straight up and spends half his year on a training bike on the sidelines....just like plugger when he came out of retirement...

Keep up the great unbiased commentry

 

[Longy413]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Well, whilst we're on that topic, it seems like basic common sense that Carlton have already made a commitment to signing Cain Ackland and I very much doubt that they'll be re-neging on that 'deal'..

After Michael had already retired.....

 

[Nightwolf]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

someone delisted over an AA fullback with a fresh start? We wouldn't sign him if he wasn't commited

Mal Michael is not AA

 

[RoyalBlue]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

WTF is Sheedy doing?

And WE get crap! Geezzz...

 

[The Kipster]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Is it really that hard to follow?

Carlton have a pick before us, there were other players unsigned. There were more attractive targets.

Common sense?

Something Longy that you claim to have but show little of, the drafting period is over therefore he doesn't par take until 08...

 

[doofdoof]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

I don't, no-one here does.

Hence why the allegations of draft tampering are a waste of time and come without any proof.

Regardless, another club has a pick before us. Why would we have forced Mal Michael into the PSD prior to his retirement, knowing that another club could take him before us?

Seems a rather wasted effort.

Agreed, nobody knows, so we can not say that there was or was not any anything underhand.

However, from my POV it looks suspicious.

There was an article in late September that stated Mal would consider returning to Melbourne see Herald Sun Article

It is obvious he was somewhat peeved with the Lions not allowing him to scale back his training, so perhaps he spoke to both Carlton and Essendon at that time and hypothetically said "If I were to enter the draft would you pick me up and pay me $x on the basis that I don't train that much and can do this other stuff?"

Perhaps they said they were not prepared to trade for him, but if he were available, then ......

Regardless, nobody knows anything yet, but I'd be really pissed if I were Brisbane at losing a contracted asset for nothing.

 

[ant555]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

WTF is Sheedy doing?

And WE get crap! Geezzz...

Lets see, we are giving up pick 60 something you gave up first round pick.

 

[loyallion]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

You're assuming that was Michael's intent. And personally I don't think it was.

Contracts don't mean you own the person. You have a contract to utilise their talent. Have you never made a hard decision about something, then later think you've made the wrong one? Part and parcel of being an AFL Footballers is the game running in their blood. Showing up to train and play and all the public attention and committments that go with it are not like rocking up to work and sitting at a desk all day. It's part of who you are.

When you make the choice to walk away from it, you have to be ready to do it. It's not just about leaving your club. It's about leaving the game you love. It's so easy to understand that with a little time and distance, you may come to realise you haven't made the right decision.

That said, I don't think that you should be able to just stick up you hand when you realise this and end up at another club.

The trade period is already there for those that want to go elsewhere but dont' want to give up footy.

Uncontracted players that change their mind have the PSD.

But contracted players who make the choice to retire? Yes they should be able to go back to their own club and play out their contract, but go to a different club? I'm not sure on that one at all.

Look I can see where your coming from BUT there has been talk all year that he wanted to go back to Melbourne and ever since Aka got told where to go by the club he was suddenly unhappy been with the Lions and then wanted some special treatment to fit in with his other things that he does they knocked him back which I think is fair enough he goes and says Im going to retire and within 4 weeks goes and signs up with the bombers I think that is flipping wrong and sneaky, and if he wanted to play footy again why couldnt he re join the lions for 1 more year? you know why because he had planned this and I bet sheedy had alot to do with this. Oh well he aint our problem anymore he wont do anything with the bombers as wont aker with the bulldogs they are the big losers here not the Lions.

 

[Longy413]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Something Longy that you claim to have but show little of, the drafting period is over therefore he doesn't par take until 08...

What's happening on Saturday then?

 

[TwoBlueEyes]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

The funny thing is if it were the Bulldogs or West Coast or Sydney, people would be saying what a great pick-up and how clever they were but because its Essendon Mal Michael is now a DUD and they're cheats.

Get over it sooks. They found glitch in the system.. just like the Lions did when they got J.Brown off that report a few years back.

What goes around comes around. I'm filthy we picked up Ackland and not thought of something like they did.

Also, Mal said a few Melbourne clubs approached him... Sooks, was your one of them???