Autopsy Geelong lose to WC by 9 points at Optus

[My Tilly]

I don't see anything at all in Fogarty.
He just looks like a very basic footballer in the same manor as what Atkins is.

Geelong have had many of these types. Burbury, Simpkin, Schroder, Gregson, Hartman and so on.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Stop making excuses for the loss. It’s very annoying.

Everything i have said is true. If you dont like it stop being a sook

 

[Kwality]

I don't see anything at all in Fogarty.
He just looks like a very basic footballer in the same manor as what Atkins is.

Geelong have had many of these types. Burbury, Simpkin, Schroder, Gregson, Hartman and so on.

Do they share a house these blokes?

 

[My Tilly]

Do they share a house these blokes?

Good one

 

[you pick one]

Looking at the ladder I think that Pies and Giants definitely come in. Two of Bulldogs, Bombers or us that go out.

That looks pretty right and we have 5 of the top present 8 to play,I've included Essendon in there as they have the game up their sleeve against Melb that was postponed and I expect the pies to be to strong v Freo tonight.That loss to Carlton could be what buggers us.

 

[And_ROOS]

Nope, in none of those cases has the tap work been as dominant, effective and significant as it was last night.

Except watch last time we played WCE and took in Blicavs and Esava as our rucks. And when the match was there to be won Nic Nat won decisive taps that directly lead to goals that won them the match in close contests.

Fact is our ruck department is a shambles and had we tried drafting a ruck in either 2012/2013/2014 or 2015 one of 4 would have lead to us having a competent ruck now.

Instead we have the perpetually injured Stanley, or the perpetually shit Fort.

 

[Vdubs]

He spent most of the game running around looking for cheapies. Even when he went missing throughout most of the 2nd half, you could see him do the kick ins and then run to space pleading for the ball again.
Only had about 35 metres gained with all of his possessions so hardly no hurt factor whatsoever.

That mark he took was brilliant. He is prone to those brain fades when the pressure intensifies though.
Cost us a goal at the death as well with his handball straight to the Eagles player running past.

His role as a mid is to be a link player, which he does to perfection, freeing up guys like Duncan and Menegola to their thing. That fast possession play on game is how we play and it worked a treat. Asking for cheapies...! Next time he plays a different role and does not get the stats, I bet you'll be on his case for being quiet.

 

[Burtyl78]

When is the cats v Kangas thread starting?

 

[year of the cat]

That looks pretty right and we have 5 of the top present 8 to play,I've included Essendon in there as they have the game up their sleeve against Melb that was postponed and I expect the pies to be to strong v Freo tonight.That loss to Carlton could be what buggers us.

Not overly fussed if we miss out. We’d just be making up the numbers again. Nice to have a single digit draft pick.

 

[Seeds]

Yeah that’s what a ruckmans game is judged on isn’t it. What a ridiculous reply.

Thats sarcasm isnt it?

nic nat had barely any touches yesterday or against pies. his only value is in his ruck work. Sure the quality in hit outs can differ. but if the numbers are even its a hell of a lot different to the game yesterday.

 

[My Tilly]

His role as a mid is to be a link player, which he does to perfection, freeing up guys like Duncan and Menegola to their thing. That fast possession play on game is how we play and it worked a treat. Asking for cheapies...! Next time he plays a different role and does not get the stats, I bet you'll be on his case for being quiet.

I watched him closely and he was constantly running to spots on the ground which served no purpose. Look at the metres gained with all his possessions.
He is one of the reasons why we seized up in the second half. He wasn't do much at all with any of his possessions. In the third quarter, he received two free kicks which resulted in 2 of his 3 touches for the quarter. West Coast made their run in that term.
I just see the same issues we have seen for years with these types of players.

Menegola another one. So good in the first half but gave us nothing when West Coast upped the ante in 3rd quarter. That is when we need some of these guys to remain consistent. If Selwood was out there, I can confidently say he would have been one of the only two or three (Duncan, Stewart) in that quarter who would have been giving us everything they possibly could.

 

[Seeds]

I agree i'm not talking about Nic Nat there,you will need to go back a bit to find the context.

Thought nic nat was better against us last year to be honest.

 

[Seeds]

Not impressed with Atkins or Dalhaus. Close looks a better option. Cockatoo would be a livewire down forward if he could string some games together. Perhaps even James Parsons. Rohan may not get a lot of the ball but he crashes the pack and scares the opposition with his speed. Plus he kicks straight.

Ive never seen a scared opposition that aint tackled. Rohans tackle count is barely better then menzels. This scaring thing is rubbish.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Why the hell would people want to drop esava. what game are you watching?

rohan had a whopping 3 touches. Kruger is a third tall not a centre half forward. he is the likely swap

or alternatively you bring in krueger and just play an extra forward.

Oh dear

 

[Vdubs]

I watched him closely and he was constantly running to spots on the ground which served no purpose. Look at the metres gained with all his possessions.
He is one of the reasons why we seized up in the second half. He wasn't do much at all with any of his possessions. In the third quarter, he received two free kicks which resulted in 2 of his 3 touches for the quarter. West Coast made their run in that term.
I just see the same issues we have seen for years with these types of players.

Menegola another one. So good in the first half but gave us nothing when West Coast upped the ante in 3rd quarter. That is when we need some of these guys to remain consistent. If Selwood was out there, I can confidently say he would have been one of the only two or three (Duncan, Stewart) in that quarter who would have been giving us everything they possibly could.

Why does he run to those spots?
You watch with the intention of criticism.
They are not no purpose- it's how we've been winning. We came up against a better team.
WCE players were instructed at half time to severely man - up on guys like Menegola and Guthrie, and they did.

 

[Partridge]

Ive never seen a scared opposition that aint tackled. Rohans tackle count is barely better then menzels. This scaring thing is rubbish.

Myths grow incredibly fast on this board.

Another fun fact, Rohan is actually averaging less of everything this season than over his career (and obviously those numbers are already pretty bad) - that's less disposals, less marks, less goals, and less tackles. This tackling machine that opposition teams are scared of is laying a whopping 2.1 tackles per game.

Terrifying that is not.

 

[CatRiot]

Only read some of the comments, was watching the game on and off... I thought the Guthrie mark and play on, caught with the ball was the biggest mess up.... I though we were within a kick on that one, and could've snatched the lead at that point.

Agree, Natanui killed us... I thought Parfitt was okay in the glimpses I saw in the first half but faded badly. He seems to get a bit of the ball in the opening quarter or two, and fades badly consistently this year.

Overall I'm not disappointed with the effort. If the Eagles are the class leaders, then I still think we aren't far off the mark! I actually think the premiership race is wide open this year, though the Eagles with a Perth GF puts it on a platter for them.

 

[Seeds]

Ask Mark Blake how far that gets you.

mark blakes hit out ability is overrated. he really never got that many. Sure it was better then any of our current rucks. BUt he was far from elite. He could never be a first ruck. Constantly failed whenever given the opportunity. But usually did well in the hitouts when coming up against second rucks.

 

[Strange Cat]

We didn't handle the dewy and humid conditions very well up there particularly as a few of the games were played at night and at Metricon. We did seem to manage wins for the last 2 matches as they were played during the day and at the Gabba from memory albeit against weaker sides. If we end up back in Qld or the NT time will tell whether it was just a rusty restart to the season or we are just unable to play well in those conditions.

Getting sick of these arogrant weagle posters stinking up this board

 

[cats_09]

When is the cats v Kangas thread starting?

It's up now

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forums/geelong.26/post-thread

 

[Vdubs]

mark blakes hit out ability is overrated. he really never got that many. Sure it was better then any of our current rucks. BUt he was far from elite. He could never be a first ruck. Constantly failed whenever given the opportunity. But usually did well in the hitouts when coming up against second rucks.

That's rubbish. In 2008 and 2009 there were many games he carried the ruck duties in Ottens' absences.

 

[Vdubs]

Not overly fussed if we miss out. We’d just be making up the numbers again. Nice to have a single digit draft pick.

This year's draftees are not going to be well-known or well prepared- not a gr8 year to tank.

 

[Live in hope]

I don't see anything at all in Fogarty.
He just looks like a very basic footballer in the same manor as what Atkins is.

Geelong have had many of these types. Burbury, Simpkin, Schroder, Gregson, Hartman and so on.

Not disagreeing with your theme but - Hartman actually had potential- agile and quickish for a big body with pretty reasonable foot skills. Simpkin was also pretty handy by foot and became a premiership player with the Hawks, I recall.

Fog’s development has been a little hampered by injury but - agreeing with you - I’m not seeing any great attributes or skill to invest in. With smaller lists maybe under pressure by year end.

 

[Vdubs]

I don't see anything at all in Fogarty.
He just looks like a very basic footballer in the same manor as what Atkins is.

Geelong have had many of these types. Burbury, Simpkin, Schroder, Gregson, Hartman and so on.

Unfortunately, we have a system and coach who gets us top 4 most years, so we will always get the lower end draftees.

 

[year of the cat]

This year's draftees are not going to be well-known or well prepared- not a gr8 year to tank.

Wouldn't want to tank. But we won't win it so if we get a higher pick then great. But I agree, it's a challenging year to rank the draftees.