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On Stephens. We have seen little. If the Wells team selected Stephens before SDK (who would have been on the needs list and Stephens just another mid) then I think they know something we don't know.
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I reckon not getting Worpel the year before may have influenced our decision to go for Stephens this time around... Not saying C Stephens is a stinker decision either.
 
To be honest I don't care that much going forward about Cameron, as long as he doesn't cost the farm if we get him, great, if we don't well, we have more pressing needs.

Not sure why names like Smith and Higgins are floating around when our most pressing needs going forwards are players in the 24 to 26 age bracket, and we really need to fix the ruck, midfield and defense.

Hopefully Taylor retires, and we go with a defense that consists of Blicavs, Henderson, Clark, Stewart and we attempt to bring in a competent small defender.

We need a ruck desperately. Stanley is adequate, but won't win us a flag. And when he gets injured, we have zero ruck depth.

And we need at least a defensive minded midfielder who can attempt to put pressure on guys like Neale and Martin and Wines.

But that said, it really doesn't matter who we bring in if we are going to persist with a gameplan that goes to water in finals.
 
I’m still ruing over what feels like a missed opportunity. We went in with one tall defender too many again. All our defenders besides Stewart lack creativity and quick foot skills to split the game and move the defence. We are shaky in our back half... and the reward - giving up 81 points in a shortened version of the game. It doesn’t add up. Our best one-on-one defender - Blicavs - is playing some strange hybrid role where he has no impact. He should’ve been rotating on Dusty with Henry. The two of them match up well. Blicavs has the endurance, strength and size. Henry I believe also has these attributes. Taylor matches up well on Lynch. But only a shutdown played but holds his place last night. Then for the rest... where does it leave Kolo and Henderson and even O’Connor, which compounds the lack of opportunity Clark had. Also, wasn’t Tuohy meant to be an attacking defender? His role is simply perplexing now. It’s odd to me because Scarlett and Enright are the two best defenders in their respective positions I’ve ever seen and both were so good because they could create as good as they could shut you down.

Anyway, moving onto the future while taking these points into account, I think Taylor probably retires. Blicavs can feel that void and it suits him much better. Even by his own account he prefers the position. Clark must play on halfback to generate run and help Stewart, he might lack a little defensively but he is green and will learn and the upside outweighs what we have. Plus, what we had last night was far from perfect. Then I think targeting Witherden is a smart move if we can get him in a cheap deal around Cockatoo. Also, Isaac Smith could play the running half back role if we get him. Perhaps instead of Witherden. Or perhaps instead of Tuohy, who if not being able to play in defence anymore, I think becomes redundant.

As for our midfield, we need hard, fast youth. Ball hungry players. We need to be relentless at the trade table and get Cameron for free who will replace Rohan. And then move up in the draft to score a player like Phillips or Hollands. We need to go big here. And then with our next pick I would love to see us take any of the players of this group who may slip - Bruhn, Henry, Macrae. I also hold hope Steven could be helpful with another full pre-season. He would offer a lot for our immediate needs.

Our forward line has a few options with Cameron coming in and replacing Rohan. Obviously we want Dangerfield playing more forward, however I see him suited more for a half forward role rather than so deep. On the flank his speed and ball winning attributes are better suited and he can roll deep still and through the midfield more frequently. Higgins to come in for Ablett and Miers to play deeper forward as he can kick goals, which is rare in our side. Close has a lot of upside and I would like to see him given more of a chance over Atkins.

Ruck has to be Stanley and allow Blicavs to take hit outs in defence and Hawkins up forward so he can be either a kick behind the ball to stop a run of play or the outlet mark when we are forced to kick down the line.

Ideal line-up next season:

Henry Blicavs Stewart
Clark Henderson Witherden/Smith
Menegola Selwood Duncan
Higgins Cameron Dangerfield
Miers Hawkins Dahlhaus
Stanley Guthrie Parfitt

Phillips/Hollands Simpson O’Connor/Kolodjashnij Steven/Close/Stephens/De Koning

I think this side has a really good mix and looks dynamic, fast and balanced. Good ball user in the back half. Not overloaded with defenders. The midfield would be benefited by the addition of Phillips or Hollands. That youthful hunger would be important but also hunger coming from players who are so highly rated and talented, rather than projects. Also a chance for Stephens to show his credentials. As for our forward line, on paper it would appear the best since our golden era of 07-11. Cameron would be an immeasurable improvement over Rohan.

Anyway, can’t see this happening with our defence while Scott and Scarlett are pulling the strings.


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I’m still ruing over what feels like a missed opportunity. We went in with one tall defender too many again. All our defenders besides Stewart lack creativity and quick foot skills to split the game and move the defence. We are shaky in our back half... and the reward - giving up 81 points in a shortened version of the game. It doesn’t add up. Our best one-on-one defender - Blicavs - is playing some strange hybrid role where he has no impact. He should’ve been rotating on Dusty with Henry. The two of them match up well. Blicavs has the endurance, strength and size. Henry I believe also has these attributes. Taylor matches up well on Lynch. But only a shutdown played but holds his place last night. Then for the rest... where does it leave Kolo and Henderson and even O’Connor, which compounds the lack of opportunity Clark had. Also, wasn’t Tuohy meant to be an attacking defender? His role is simply perplexing now. It’s odd to me because Scarlett and Enright are the two best defenders in their respective positions I’ve ever seen and both were so good because they could create as good as they could shut you down.

Anyway, moving onto the future while taking these points into account, I think Taylor probably retires. Blicavs can feel that void and it suits him much better. Even by his own account he prefers the position. Clark must play on halfback to generate run and help Stewart, he might lack a little defensively but he is green and will learn and the upside outweighs what we have. Plus, what we had last night was far from perfect. Then I think targeting Witherden is a smart move if we can get him in a cheap deal around Cockatoo. Also, Isaac Smith could play the running half back role if we get him. Perhaps instead of Witherden. Or perhaps instead of Tuohy, who if not being able to play in defence anymore, I think becomes redundant.

As for our midfield, we need hard, fast youth. Ball hungry players. We need to be relentless at the trade table and get Cameron for free who will replace Rohan. And then move up in the draft to score a player like Phillips or Hollands. We need to go big here. And then with our next pick I would love to see us take any of the players of this group who may slip - Bruhn, Henry, Macrae. I also hold hope Steven could be helpful with another full pre-season. He would offer a lot for our immediate needs.

Our forward line has a few options with Cameron coming in and replacing Rohan. Obviously we want Dangerfield playing more forward, however I see him suited more for a half forward role rather than so deep. On the flank his speed and ball winning attributes are better suited and he can roll deep still and through the midfield more frequently. Higgins to come in for Ablett and Miers to play deeper forward as he can kick goals, which is rare in our side. Close has a lot of upside and I would like to see him given more of a chance over Atkins.

Ruck has to be Stanley and allow Blicavs to take hit outs in defence and Hawkins up forward so he can be either a kick behind the ball to stop a run of play or the outlet mark when we are forced to kick down the line.

Ideal line-up next season:

Henry Blicavs Stewart
Clark Henderson Witherden/Smith
Menegola Selwood Duncan
Higgins Cameron Dangerfield
Miers Hawkins Dahlhaus
Stanley Guthrie Parfitt

Phillips/Hollands Simpson O’Connor/Kolodjashnij Close/Stephens/De Koning

I think this side has a really good mix and looks dynamic, fast and balanced. Good ball user in the back half. Not overloaded with defenders. The midfield would be benefited by the addition of Phillips or Hollands. That youthful hunger would be important but also hunger coming from players who are so highly rated and talented, rather than projects. Also a chance for Stephens to show his credentials. As for our forward line, on paper it would appear the best since our golden era of 07-11. Cameron would be an immeasurable improvement over Rohan.

Anyway, can’t see this happening with our defence while Scott and Scarlett are pulling the strings.


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agree with most of this, except I don’t see Dahlhaus as best 22 anymore after this final series. I’d replace him with Close.
 
frggr said:
Wonder if it's Witherden?
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Would love Witherden, 22 years old, quick, a great long kick.
A half back line of Clark Hendo Witherden would inject so much pace with great ball use and intercept marking ability.

If Cocky wants out a trade for Witherden would be ideal. Not sure if Cocky is OOC but I'm sure we could work something out.
 
FishGutz said:
I’m still ruing over what feels like a missed opportunity. We went in with one tall defender too many again. All our defenders besides Stewart lack creativity and quick foot skills to split the game and move the defence. We are shaky in our back half... and the reward - giving up 81 points in a shortened version of the game. It doesn’t add up. Our best one-on-one defender - Blicavs - is playing some strange hybrid role where he has no impact. He should’ve been rotating on Dusty with Henry. The two of them match up well. Blicavs has the endurance, strength and size. Henry I believe also has these attributes. Taylor matches up well on Lynch. But only a shutdown played but holds his place last night. Then for the rest... where does it leave Kolo and Henderson and even O’Connor, which compounds the lack of opportunity Clark had. Also, wasn’t Tuohy meant to be an attacking defender? His role is simply perplexing now. It’s odd to me because Scarlett and Enright are the two best defenders in their respective positions I’ve ever seen and both were so good because they could create as good as they could shut you down.

Anyway, moving onto the future while taking these points into account, I think Taylor probably retires. Blicavs can feel that void and it suits him much better. Even by his own account he prefers the position. Clark must play on halfback to generate run and help Stewart, he might lack a little defensively but he is green and will learn and the upside outweighs what we have. Plus, what we had last night was far from perfect. Then I think targeting Witherden is a smart move if we can get him in a cheap deal around Cockatoo. Also, Isaac Smith could play the running half back role if we get him. Perhaps instead of Witherden. Or perhaps instead of Tuohy, who if not being able to play in defence anymore, I think becomes redundant.

As for our midfield, we need hard, fast youth. Ball hungry players. We need to be relentless at the trade table and get Cameron for free who will replace Rohan. And then move up in the draft to score a player like Phillips or Hollands. We need to go big here. And then with our next pick I would love to see us take any of the players of this group who may slip - Bruhn, Henry, Macrae. I also hold hope Steven could be helpful with another full pre-season. He would offer a lot for our immediate needs.

Our forward line has a few options with Cameron coming in and replacing Rohan. Obviously we want Dangerfield playing more forward, however I see him suited more for a half forward role rather than so deep. On the flank his speed and ball winning attributes are better suited and he can roll deep still and through the midfield more frequently. Higgins to come in for Ablett and Miers to play deeper forward as he can kick goals, which is rare in our side. Close has a lot of upside and I would like to see him given more of a chance over Atkins.

Ruck has to be Stanley and allow Blicavs to take hit outs in defence and Hawkins up forward so he can be either a kick behind the ball to stop a run of play or the outlet mark when we are forced to kick down the line.

Ideal line-up next season:

Henry Blicavs Stewart
Clark Henderson Witherden/Smith
Menegola Selwood Duncan
Higgins Cameron Dangerfield
Miers Hawkins Dahlhaus
Stanley Guthrie Parfitt

Phillips/Hollands Simpson O’Connor/Kolodjashnij Steven/Close/Stephens/De Koning

I think this side has a really good mix and looks dynamic, fast and balanced. Good ball user in the back half. Not overloaded with defenders. The midfield would be benefited by the addition of Phillips or Hollands. That youthful hunger would be important but also hunger coming from players who are so highly rated and talented, rather than projects. Also a chance for Stephens to show his credentials. As for our forward line, on paper it would appear the best since our golden era of 07-11. Cameron would be an immeasurable improvement over Rohan.

Anyway, can’t see this happening with our defence while Scott and Scarlett are pulling the strings.


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So I 100% agree that the defensive make up should be changed to allow for better ball movement but I do think as much as it's not perfect surely the coaching panel/club deserve credit for being pretty clearly the 2nd/3rd best team in the comp, looking at the GF in isolation the defensive unit underperformed as it has done against Richmond on a number of occasions but in my opinion we lost the the game in the midfield as soon as the tide turned in there late in the 2nd quarter we never looked likely, Selwood tried hard but he is pretty far from what he used to be & Guthrie was just soundly beaten in there but it's not like they had a lot of help.
 
We are pick 17 in the preseason draft. Can someone explain to me how Cameron gets through to us if he walks on GWS? We are kidding ourselves assuming we get him for free. That will mess with our first round pick advantage and probably leave us with one only. Then our second goes to Higgins so I am struggling to see how we address our poor midfield and ruck situations. Really concerned we get Cameron but don’t boost our good mid age and young mids. Plus players like Narkle Fogarty, close, Atkins etc will want out and May attract attention. Cocky is gone to the accepted wisdom that Geelong can’t look after injured players and get em on the park but Brissie can. I can see 3 or more young players out and 2 or 3 old ones in. Already clubs targeting our young talent pitching that we will never play them. Already SDK being pitched. If we don’t bring though a few young ens then we are in for a massive hike in our list in 2 years and the bulk of our young list wanting out Due to lack of opportunitie. We need to be very careful here and paying two first rounders plus plus for Cameron this year really stops us sorting this out.
 
Now we are interested in Jasper Pittard lol
 

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I know this will split the pack here,I reckon right now Guthrie would be over rated out there coming off his best season ever and still a year on his contract we'd pick up a first rounder if we could wriggle him out the door this trade period View attachment 995297
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Interesting story I heard about Guthrie on the weekend. Evidently he's had a heart issue (not talking desire, the actual heart) that was identified at the end of last season. Caused fatigue during matches, Went in for an epilation which has resulted in a dramatic impact on his endurance in matches. Might continue to see "the good Guthrie" for quite a while now.
 
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bellpark said:
We are pick 17 in the preseason draft. Can someone explain to me how Cameron gets through to us if he walks on GWS? We are kidding ourselves assuming we get him for free. That will mess with our first round pick advantage and probably leave us with one only. Then our second goes to Higgins so I am struggling to see how we address our poor midfield and ruck situations. Really concerned we get Cameron but don’t boost our good mid age and young mids. Plus players like Narkle Fogarty, close, Atkins etc will want out and May attract attention. Cocky is gone to the accepted wisdom that Geelong can’t look after injured players and get em on the park but Brissie can. I can see 3 or more young players out and 2 or 3 old ones in. Already clubs targeting our young talent pitching that we will never play them. Already SDK being pitched. If we don’t bring though a few young ens then we are in for a massive hike in our list in 2 years and the bulk of our young list wanting out Due to lack of opportunitie. We need to be very careful here and paying two first rounders plus plus for Cameron this year really stops us sorting this out.
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Cockatoo was injury free for an extended period this season & isn't the reason we didn't see him - based on reports from the scratch matches & coaches, he wasn't doing enough for selection, so form is why we didn't see him this year

As for our younger talent, the club is more than happy to back in those deserving of selection. If a 1st year or 2nd player cracks the shit about having to do something of an apprenticeship in the VFL & wants a trade, then maybe they aren't the players to retain.
 
year of the cat said:
Interesting story I heard about Guthrie on the weekend. Evidently he's had a heart issue (not talking desire, ther actual heart) that was identified at the end of last season. Caused fatigue during matches, Went in for an epilation which has resulted in a dramatic impact on his endurance in matches. Might continue to see "the good Guthrie" for quite a while now.
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I guess that could explain why he's TOG is generally on the lower end compared with others - only 2 games over 80% TOG, Demons & Lions (when we lost 2 players early)

Having a quick look & without doing any actual calculations, looks like he averages around 75% TOG
 
year of the cat said:
Interesting story I heard about Guthrie on the weekend. Evidently he's had a heart issue (not talking desire, ther actual heart) that was identified at the end of last season. Caused fatigue during matches, Went in for an epilation which has resulted in a dramatic impact on his endurance in matches. Might continue to see "the good Guthrie" for quite a while now.
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That's interesting but it's still the fumbles that lets him down most,but would go some way to explaining where he has been for a couple of years.
 
Drunkcat said:
Now we are interested in Jasper Pittard lol
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Was waiting to see how long it would be before his name popped up being linked to us, we wanted him a couple years back before he went to North, absolute spud.
 
cats_09 said:
Cockatoo was injury free for an extended period this season & isn't the reason we didn't see him - based on reports from the scratch matches & coaches, he wasn't doing enough for selection, so form is why we didn't see him this year
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Yep. IF Cockatoo goes to Brisbane and plays most games it's because we did the rehab and got him right. Not them.
But everyone will say it's Brisbane that can manage their injuries better. We will get no reward out of this unfortunately.
 
Drunkcat said:
Now we are interested in Jasper Pittard lol
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Local lad isn't he?

Wonder if we are actually interested or just media speculation based on Geelong apparently interested in everyone, especially those from the region
 
FishGutz said:
I’m still ruing over what feels like a missed opportunity. We went in with one tall defender too many again. All our defenders besides Stewart lack creativity and quick foot skills to split the game and move the defence. We are shaky in our back half... and the reward - giving up 81 points in a shortened version of the game. It doesn’t add up. Our best one-on-one defender - Blicavs - is playing some strange hybrid role where he has no impact. He should’ve been rotating on Dusty with Henry. The two of them match up well. Blicavs has the endurance, strength and size. Henry I believe also has these attributes. Taylor matches up well on Lynch. But only a shutdown played but holds his place last night. Then for the rest... where does it leave Kolo and Henderson and even O’Connor, which compounds the lack of opportunity Clark had. Also, wasn’t Tuohy meant to be an attacking defender? His role is simply perplexing now. It’s odd to me because Scarlett and Enright are the two best defenders in their respective positions I’ve ever seen and both were so good because they could create as good as they could shut you down.

Anyway, moving onto the future while taking these points into account, I think Taylor probably retires. Blicavs can feel that void and it suits him much better. Even by his own account he prefers the position. Clark must play on halfback to generate run and help Stewart, he might lack a little defensively but he is green and will learn and the upside outweighs what we have. Plus, what we had last night was far from perfect. Then I think targeting Witherden is a smart move if we can get him in a cheap deal around Cockatoo. Also, Isaac Smith could play the running half back role if we get him. Perhaps instead of Witherden. Or perhaps instead of Tuohy, who if not being able to play in defence anymore, I think becomes redundant.

As for our midfield, we need hard, fast youth. Ball hungry players. We need to be relentless at the trade table and get Cameron for free who will replace Rohan. And then move up in the draft to score a player like Phillips or Hollands. We need to go big here. And then with our next pick I would love to see us take any of the players of this group who may slip - Bruhn, Henry, Macrae. I also hold hope Steven could be helpful with another full pre-season. He would offer a lot for our immediate needs.

Our forward line has a few options with Cameron coming in and replacing Rohan. Obviously we want Dangerfield playing more forward, however I see him suited more for a half forward role rather than so deep. On the flank his speed and ball winning attributes are better suited and he can roll deep still and through the midfield more frequently. Higgins to come in for Ablett and Miers to play deeper forward as he can kick goals, which is rare in our side. Close has a lot of upside and I would like to see him given more of a chance over Atkins.

Ruck has to be Stanley and allow Blicavs to take hit outs in defence and Hawkins up forward so he can be either a kick behind the ball to stop a run of play or the outlet mark when we are forced to kick down the line.

Ideal line-up next season:

Henry Blicavs Stewart
Clark Henderson Witherden/Smith
Menegola Selwood Duncan
Higgins Cameron Dangerfield
Miers Hawkins Dahlhaus
Stanley Guthrie Parfitt

Phillips/Hollands Simpson O’Connor/Kolodjashnij Steven/Close/Stephens/De Koning

I think this side has a really good mix and looks dynamic, fast and balanced. Good ball user in the back half. Not overloaded with defenders. The midfield would be benefited by the addition of Phillips or Hollands. That youthful hunger would be important but also hunger coming from players who are so highly rated and talented, rather than projects. Also a chance for Stephens to show his credentials. As for our forward line, on paper it would appear the best since our golden era of 07-11. Cameron would be an immeasurable improvement over Rohan.

Anyway, can’t see this happening with our defence while Scott and Scarlett are pulling the strings.


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Love to have a crack at getting Witherden. Sort of player we need I think.
 
bellpark said:
We are pick 17 in the preseason draft. Can someone explain to me how Cameron gets through to us if he walks on GWS? We are kidding ourselves assuming we get him for free.
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PSD no chance

Trade up in the National Draft for instance picks 11 and 13 to Hawthorn for pick 4. Adelaide and North Melbourne are rebuilding and will not use a top 2 pick to select a 28 year old that doesn't want to be there. That leaves Sydney at pick 3, will they pick him, maybe, probably. So then its up to GWS, do they let him go to their cross town rivals or take pick 9 as compensation. Then we use pick 4 on Bruhn or Phillips and happy days. We are going to have to give up 11 and 13 to get him anyway, so hopefully this way we can get the young player we want and Cameron for free and still have pick 18 and our future 1st in hand as well as not losing young players we want to keep.
 
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