Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[ibuprofen]

I hope it is. That's a good outcome

Why? It means we aren't in the running if we can't offer much more. He ain't leaving for 50k more if thats what they are talking.

However, it does kind of confirm we are talking to him despite the speculation he wasn't talking to anyone else.

 

[Turbocat]

Baldwin maybe. Like those guys though.

we can pick someone who has the stats ..195-198 cm ..... but I cant see us getting a premium tall kid... we could pick up some one from the fringes like Lord ... or maybe from SA or WA.

 

[Grimoz]

Well on Draft Board they are saying GWS offered Cameron 700k a year for 5 years and Geelong not offering much more.

Hope that's not true on our part.

We dont overpay players, this is common knowledge, if he wants more than 750k after the mediocre year he just had then good luck to him but he wont get it here.

 

[foxdog50]

Not at the picks we have i don't think. KPDs yes. I'd very much like a Nick Cox or Zach Reid with a later 1st

The key position forward is more than normal in the draft, there are plenty to choose from

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

We dont overpay players, this is common knowledge, if he wants more than 750k after the mediocre year he just had then good luck to him but he wont get it here.

I bet he will

 

[ibuprofen]

I bet he will

Yes I'm sure he will also. 700k is an insult even with a rubbish year. If they can get him for say 800k, its a master stroke but ain't going to happen.

Makes me think there is a dark horse.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Why? It means we aren't in the running if we can't offer much more. He ain't leaving for 50k more if thats what they are talking.

However, it does kind of confirm we are talking to him despite the speculation he wasn't talking to anyone else.

Consider that the club thinks that's a competitive offer. You're correct in that he's not leaving GWS for 50k, the clubs pitch and the one they seem to think will land is that he's leaving for success, club environment, proximity to family.

If you're offering above market coin it's because that's your only selling point

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yes I'm sure he will also. 700k is an insult even with a rubbish year. If they can get him for say 800k, its a master stroke but ain't going to happen.

The other thing is that if cap is dropping it will be the larger contracts taking the full brunt. 700k could be the new 900k

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The key position forward is more than normal in the draft, there are plenty to choose from

What I'm saying though is that it seems all the good ones are top 10 and we'd be unlikely to get a look in with our current hand

 

[ibuprofen]

The other thing is that if cap is dropping it will be the larger contracts taking the full brunt. 700k could be the new 900k

I'm not sure the cap is dropping. Last time I heard, it wasn't.

And also, I thought all contracts were being negotiated under the old system and then would be scaled back later. Hence, 700k is probably more like 550k.

With all due respect, I'm not signing Henry and Parfitt like they have recently if it means losing Cameron. I'm sacking both immediately if it gets me Cameron. Anyone who wouldn't is out right bonkers.

He is a bona fide star.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The cull will be savage as a likely 38+2+2 means we have to get rid of at least 4 players plus you need three draft picks. I also think when we have three firsts, we will probably use them anyway.

Highly Likely: Ablett, Cockatoo, Constable, Narkle, Taylor.

Likely/ Almost Definite: Brownless, Parsons

That gets us to having three draft picks and no Free Agents

Very Nervous: Kennerly, Fort

That allows us to bring two players in I.e. Higgins and Crouch. I think Fort probably goes as Stanley/Esava probably is enough for the moment and if they need they have to throw Jenkins or De Koenig in. I think Jenkins wins over Fort just as he can be a back up forward also. We are also looking at the Cat B rookie too so we can't have to many ruckman on the list.

Possible: Zuthrie, Fogarty, Jenkins, Atkins

I think Atkins and Fogarty is the most trouble of the next group depending who else they might consider bringing in. I like Atkins but in a savage world.

Fogarty should not be cut. Has alot more talent than zuthrie simpson atkins. Can see him being a good player with a full pre season next year. Poor kid has had zero pre seasons at AFL

 

[cats_09]

I'm not sure the cap is dropping. Last time I heard, it wasn't.

And also, I thought all contracts were being negotiated under the old system and then would be scaled back later. Hence, 700k is probably more like 550k.

With all due respect, I'm not signing Henry and Parfitt like they have recently if it means losing Cameron. I'm sacking both immediately if it gets me Cameron. Anyone who wouldn't is out right bonkers.

He is a bona fide star.

Isn't a reason for the suggested reduction in list sizes to do with reduced spending/costs which would mean the salary cap being scaled back also

Otherwise, wouldn't a reduction in list sizes while keeping the salary cap at the current rate mean no savings in salary costs & contracted players maybe getting higher salaries to make up the shortfall from losing players from the current salary conditions?

As for Henry & Parfitt - Henry signed a 1-year deal so that suggests both parties are waiting until next year to negotiate a longer deal once more is known about list sizes & salary cap conditions

And Parfitt isn't yet signed but will be signed

The club isn't going to cut 2 players they see as long term players just for a single free agent - keeping them both with any recruit to fit in within the structure

 

[BigCat1]

Mark Stevens C7 was a ray of good news

Cocky going to Brisbane and so is Joe Daniher.

 

[ibuprofen]

Fogarty should not be cut. Has alot more talent than zuthrie simpson atkins. Can see him being a good player with a full pre season next year. Poor kid has had zero pre seasons at AFL

Agree. Just think its gonna be a savage off season. I know its not popular but I'd dump Atkins. Good stop gap but limited upside.

 

[Grimoz]

Mark Stevens C7 was a ray of good news

Cocky going to Brisbane and so is Joe Daniher.

Both good news if true.

 

[catman2006]

Fogarty should not be cut. Has alot more talent than zuthrie simpson atkins. Can see him being a good player with a full pre season next year. Poor kid has had zero pre seasons at AFL

To be fair before his injury Sam Simpson was great

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

He probably cant tour our facilities anyway with Covid happening.

They arrange zoom tours.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

If we loose Cocky & narkle we need some players with pace

 

[BigCat1]

We dont overpay players, this is common knowledge, if he wants more than 750k after the mediocre year he just had then good luck to him but he wont get it here.

He’d get it from most clubs except the Giants who are bursting.

Seriously some ppl are so off on this. Best 3 fwd in the game is worth closer to 1M. Yep poor season in highly unusual circumstances but apparently that just obliterates close to a decade of sensational footy.

 

[ibuprofen]

Isn't a reason for the suggested reduction in list sizes to do with reduced spending/costs which would mean the salary cap being scaled back also

Otherwise, wouldn't a reduction in list sizes while keeping the salary cap at the current rate mean no savings in salary costs & contracted players maybe getting higher salaries to make up the shortfall from losing players from the current salary conditions?

As for Henry & Parfitt - Henry signed a 1-year deal so that suggests both parties are waiting until next year to negotiate a longer deal once more is known about list sizes & salary cap conditions

And Parfitt isn't yet signed but will be signed

The club isn't going to cut 2 players they see as long term players just for a single free agent - keeping them both with any recruit to fit in within the structure

Yes it is but there is no agreement on that. Last I time I saw publicly, it was being opposed. Hence, the delay. Everyone has to agree and they don't at this stage. Hence, contracts being negotiated as normal and then scaled back later.

Henry and Parfitt both have upside but this is Jeremy Cameron. He is Dangerfield, Selwood level. With all due respect, Parfitt and Henry both will be fine players but nothing compared to a Jeremy Cameron.

So if the club could trade Henry and Parfitt for Cameron, you would say no? Reality is that they could probably trade both for picks and then sign Cameron as a FA.

 

[Grimoz]

He’d get it from most clubs except the Giants who are bursting.

Seriously some ppl are so off on this. Best 3 fwd in the game is worth closer to 1M. Yep poor season in highly unusual circumstances but apparently that just obliterates close to a decade of sensational footy.

Your missing my point, we dont overpay players, yes he might be worth that but we have a pay structure that we always stick by, he wont come into the club earning more than most, its just not how we work, guys like Duncan etc would be pissed.

 

[ibuprofen]

Your missing my point, we dont overpay players, yes he might be worth that but we have a pay structure that we alwats stick by, he wont come into the club earning more than most, its just not how we work.

Surely he is Dangerfield, Selwood level though?

 

[Grimoz]

He’d get it from most clubs except the Giants who are bursting.

Seriously some ppl are so off on this. Best 3 fwd in the game is worth closer to 1M. Yep poor season in highly unusual circumstances but apparently that just obliterates close to a decade of sensational footy.

So by that logic Ben Brown is worth that as well considering he kicked 60 goals 3 years in a row but had a bad year this year.

 

[ibuprofen]

So by that logic Ben Brown is worth that as well considering he kicked 60 goals 3 years in a row but had a bad year this year.

Ben Brown doesn't fit the game style. Ben Brown also has knee injuries during the last season which effect his value. Cameron is a perfect fit style wise with no injuries during the last season that effect long term value.. And is a genuine level above Brown. Brown was probably worth the 800k North offered last year but Cameron is that next step up in value.

I'd have no problem paying Brown if he fit but he doesn't. Being a good player, doesn't mean we should sign them but Cameron is perfect.

 

[GoGeta]

I mean let's be honest probably a laaarge portion of AFL players are doing illicit drugs in the offseason. But certainly bad optics for a recruiting club so he's cost himself a whack of cash and the Crows any leverage.

Are you suggesting that the GFC has had officers on take trailing Brad, waiting for an opportunity to catch him out in order to squash any leverage Adelaide possessed just so we can get him in the Blue & White hoops on the cheap???

WOW. Huge conspiracy there mate.
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