Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[ibuprofen]

Trouble is Kreuger isn’t any good or he would be playing. Cameron is a proven performer, not sure how you can compare the two.

They are the same height... I thought it was obvious.

 

[frggr]

Trouble is Kreuger isn’t any good or he would be playing. Cameron is a proven performer, not sure how you can compare the two.

Huh? How many opportunities has Kreuger had in this weird season given there's no VFL to prove his case?

Stretch to say he isn't any good.

 

[tielgaz]

Id also enquire about Hunt... can play both ends, speed to burn..

100% agree, he has pace to burn

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I'm not sure the cap is dropping. Last time I heard, it wasn't.

And also, I thought all contracts were being negotiated under the old system and then would be scaled back later. Hence, 700k is probably more like 550k.

With all due respect, I'm not signing Henry and Parfitt like they have recently if it means losing Cameron. I'm sacking both immediately if it gets me Cameron. Anyone who wouldn't is out right bonkers.

He is a bona fide star.

Are we offering an extra year? Then the 150k extra might actually be worth 900k. Club assumes a bit more risk. I'm just saying there's more to contracts than just the salary.

In regards to cap the AFL has had a massive impact to revenue this year and has taken on 600m in debt, if they've amortised over 40 years then even at favourable rates they need to come up with another $2m per month. Their main revenue sources in media are getting bailouts from the government and that'll take a hit. Player wages are around 30% of expenditure and I just don't see any way it gets left alone.

 

[David the Cat]

Id also enquire about Hunt... can play both ends, speed to burn..

I'm a bit of a fan of Jayden Hunt...I wasn't aware he was on the table...

 

[catempire]

Yes it is but there is no agreement on that. Last I time I saw publicly, it was being opposed. Hence, the delay. Everyone has to agree and they don't at this stage. Hence, contracts being negotiated as normal and then scaled back later.

Henry and Parfitt both have upside but this is Jeremy Cameron. He is Dangerfield, Selwood level. With all due respect, Parfitt and Henry both will be fine players but nothing compared to a Jeremy Cameron.

So if the club could trade Henry and Parfitt for Cameron, you would say no? Reality is that they could probably trade both for picks and then sign Cameron as a FA.

Not sure ibuprofen is the right prescription. Perhaps a bex and a lie down as they used to say.

 

[tielgaz]

We dont overpay players, this is common knowledge, if he wants more than 750k after the mediocre year he just had then good luck to him but he wont get it here.

Give him 800 per year, done deal!

 

[ibuprofen]

Not sure ibuprofen is the right prescription. Perhaps a bex and a lie down as they used to say.

So you would or wouldn't trade Henry and Parfitt for Cameron? Thats essentially what I said. No need for insults when its a pretty simple proposition.

 

[foxdog50]

Id also enquire about Hunt... can play both ends, speed to burn..

I cant believe ( without hearing it ) that any club hasn't asked the question in Hunt, as I would give up a future pick for him

 

[tielgaz]

Both good news if true.

Why is that good news?

 

[Grimoz]

Give him 800 per year, done deal!

He will stay at GWS

 

[catempire]

So you would or wouldn't trade Henry and Parfitt for Cameron? Thats essentially what I said. No need for insults when its a pretty simple proposition.

Hey, insulting is suggesting we trade two of our best young players when we don’t lack trade currency elsewhere.

 

[Grimoz]

Why is that good news?

Dont rate Cocky and as good as Daniher is i dont think we should take that risk.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If they are offering that their cap is stuffed and if be surprised if we aren't offering more he's worth more.

The poster did say we are offering more, just "not much more" could be 701k, could be 800+

 

[Gunf]

We should not trade for FA players under any circumstances If Cameron wants us GWS will get pick 9 which will be plenty.

Goldy and Higgins are 2 years to old to be paying a 1st rounder for no 33+ year olds go for anywhere near that unless they are generational players which those two are not.

And if we are going after Higgins just get Crouch or Viney instead if we want a mature age player and keep our draft picks for the draft.

 

[ibuprofen]

Hey, insulting is suggesting we trade two of our best young players when we don’t lack trade currency elsewhere.

Insulting? This is a trade board and Parfitt's name already appears on here.

Attack the idea not some snide remark about me needing medication.

So you wouldn't clear room for the premier key forward in the league when you could have him for free?

Are you seriously projecting that Parfitt and Henry will out achieve Jeremy Cameron?

I'd do both, as someone said before, the Brent Moloney move. It may not be a direct trade but if they eat up cap space we need for him, its the same principle.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The cull will be savage as a likely 38+2+2 means we have to get rid of at least 4 players plus you need three draft picks. I also think when we have three firsts, we will probably use them anyway.

Highly Likely: Ablett, Cockatoo, Constable, Narkle, Taylor.

Likely/ Almost Definite: Brownless, Parsons

That gets us to having three draft picks and no Free Agents

Very Nervous: Kennerly, Fort

That allows us to bring two players in I.e. Higgins and Crouch. I think Fort probably goes as Stanley/Esava probably is enough for the moment and if they need they have to throw Jenkins or De Koenig in. I think Jenkins wins over Fort just as he can be a back up forward also. We are also looking at the Cat B rookie too so we can't have to many ruckman on the list.

Possible: Zuthrie, Fogarty, Jenkins, Atkins

I think Atkins and Fogarty is the most trouble of the next group depending who else they might consider bringing in. I like Atkins but in a savage world.

Broadly I agree but some comments:

Of your possible list only zuthrie is OOC (as is simpson) the others are contracted which might put zuthrie in some danger.

Fort I agree could go but we need to bring in another ruck imo if he does so it doesn't create a list spot. Still moving him on and getting a younger but ready to go ruck helps our list profile. Given stanleys age and injury record him plus blicavs sav and Jenkins (the last 3 are part timers at best) is not enough.

I think tarca will go I rate him but he's back in the queue small forward wise and close only pushes him further down. Ditto kennerley who is well back in the outside mid queue..both are unlucky in that they are out of contract at the wrong time..in another year they would be kept.

Most club's will be tight for list spots but north are one of a few who will have list spots so it's possible we try to send them a fringe player or two in a Higgins trade (instead of a pick) which creates list spots for us.

Obviously TPP will come into play as well as if we are bringing free agents in we may need to move some $ out plus it comes down to which fringe players want out. But beyond creating the spots we need for those incomings we are better off imo to keep some of our fringe players like Fogarty etc..it gives us another 12 months of depth if needed and if we do delist them it's better to do it next year in what looks a better draft crop than this year.

 

[tielgaz]

Huh? How many opportunities has Kreuger had in this weird season given there's no VFL to prove his case?

Stretch to say he isn't any good.

True, he gets another year to prove it, he doesnt look to be in the same category as Cameron however.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So you would or wouldn't trade Henry and Parfitt for Cameron? Thats essentially what I said. No need for insults when its a pretty simple proposition.

I think the main thing is that if you trade two kids who are best 22 you weaken the proposition by more than the dollars add. When you offer a player a contract you're selling the club not the dollars especially if that player is one who doesn't win his own f50 entries.

Lynch chose Richmond for a reason

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Insulting? This is a trade board and Parfitt's name already appears on here.

Attack the idea not some snide remark about me needing medication.

So you wouldn't clear room for the premier key forward in the league when you could have him for free?

Are you seriously projecting that Parfitt and Henry will out achieve Jeremy Cameron?

I'd do both, as someone said before, the Brent Moloney move. It may not be a direct trade but if they eat up cap space we need for him, its the same principle.

Parfitt doesn't need to go though and he is worth more to us than what draft pick we would get for him. Worst case scenario if we need TPP for free agents we can move all of cocky Narkle CC Fogarty Simpson zuthrie etc on which will create plenty of $..if you're in that boat it's better to retain best 22 players (parfitt) and move on non best 22 ones (up to a point because you need some depth).

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We should not trade for FA players under any circumstances If Cameron wants us GWS will get pick 9 which will be plenty.

Goldy and Higgins are 2 years to old to be paying a 1st rounder for no 33+ year olds go for anywhere near that unless they are generational players which those two are not.

And if we are going after Higgins just get Crouch or Viney instead if we want a mature age player and keep our draft picks for the draft.

I don't think pick 9 counts as plenty but I dothink that gws won't have the cap to match.

 

[ibuprofen]

Parfitt doesn't need to go though and he is worth more to us than what draft pick we would get for him. Worst case scenario if we need TPP for free agents we can move all of cocky Narkle CC Fogarty Simpson zuthrie etc on which will create plenty of $..if you're in that boat it's better to retain best 22 players (parfitt) and move on non best 22 ones (up to a point because you need some depth).

But we allegedly according to media reports don't have room to sign Cameron? I used Parfitt and Henry as an example as both have recently re-signed.

 

[Turbocat]

I'm a bit of a fan of Jayden Hunt...I wasn't aware he was on the table...

OOC ..worth asking about

 

[Gunf]

I don't think pick 9 counts as plenty but I dothink that gws won't have the cap to match.

I mean plenty in the sense that he has done his time and is now a FA if they wanted more they should of tried to trade him last year (if they knew he was leaving)
Unfortunately for GWS everything is against them he is a FA Covid year salary cap issues etc so if you look at as a whole pick 9 is plenty considering they have no cards to play if he wants out.

He is worth more if you just look at him in a trade situation but GWS can't do that

 

[BigCat1]

Giants substantially upped their Caldwell offer from two to four years on good money.

Hopefully they know something about Cameron.